ahh burnBraddock wrote:
Dia duit a Kmarion. Tá se fíor le rá go bhfuil go leor duine ar an oileann seo gan Gaeilge ar bith inniu, ach le sin ráite níl an teanga marbh go fóill. Tá sé fós beo ins na Gaeltachta agus tá an stáisiún TG4 ceann de na stáisiún is fearr ar an teilifís anseo, dar liomsa... tá South Park ar siúl ar TG4 as Gaeilge anois! Bhí mé fhéin rugadh agas ardaithe ins an Gaeltacht ach ní raibh mé liofa nuair a bhí mé óg mar bhí mo thuismitheoirí ardaithe ins an Albain agus an Sasana agus mar sin ní raibh Gaeilge aice agus ní raibh an teanga labhartha sa teach. Thart fá bliain amhain ó shin rinne me suas mo intinn chun mo mháthair teanga a fhoghlaim arís, go ceart, mar ní mhaith liom an smaoineamh go raibh mo ceann sreangaithe chun dteanga iasachta. Anois táim abalta smaoineamh agus labhairt as Gaeilge agus anois agus arís tá mo brionglóidí as Gaeilge!
Hello Kmarion. It is true to say that many people on this island are without Irish today, but with that said the language is not dead yet. It is still alive in the Gaeltachts (Gaeilge speaking regions) and the television station TG4 is one of the best stations here, in my opinion... South Park is on now in Irish! I myself was born and raised in the Gaeltacht but I wasn't fluent when I was young because my parents were raised in Scotland and England and because of that they had no Irish and the language was not spoken in the house. About a year ago I made my mind up to learn my mother tongue again, properly, because I didn't like the idea that my mind was wired for a foreign language. Now I can think and talk in Irish and now and then I dream in Irish!
Course it ain't
Tiocfaidh Ar LA!!!
Tiocfaidh Ar LA!!!
Damn I got burned for asking an intelligent question.henno13 wrote:
ahh burnBraddock wrote:
Dia duit a Kmarion. Tá se fíor le rá go bhfuil go leor duine ar an oileann seo gan Gaeilge ar bith inniu, ach le sin ráite níl an teanga marbh go fóill. Tá sé fós beo ins na Gaeltachta agus tá an stáisiún TG4 ceann de na stáisiún is fearr ar an teilifís anseo, dar liomsa... tá South Park ar siúl ar TG4 as Gaeilge anois! Bhí mé fhéin rugadh agas ardaithe ins an Gaeltacht ach ní raibh mé liofa nuair a bhí mé óg mar bhí mo thuismitheoirí ardaithe ins an Albain agus an Sasana agus mar sin ní raibh Gaeilge aice agus ní raibh an teanga labhartha sa teach. Thart fá bliain amhain ó shin rinne me suas mo intinn chun mo mháthair teanga a fhoghlaim arís, go ceart, mar ní mhaith liom an smaoineamh go raibh mo ceann sreangaithe chun dteanga iasachta. Anois táim abalta smaoineamh agus labhairt as Gaeilge agus anois agus arís tá mo brionglóidí as Gaeilge!
Hello Kmarion. It is true to say that many people on this island are without Irish today, but with that said the language is not dead yet. It is still alive in the Gaeltachts (Gaeilge speaking regions) and the television station TG4 is one of the best stations here, in my opinion... South Park is on now in Irish! I myself was born and raised in the Gaeltacht but I wasn't fluent when I was young because my parents were raised in Scotland and England and because of that they had no Irish and the language was not spoken in the house. About a year ago I made my mind up to learn my mother tongue again, properly, because I didn't like the idea that my mind was wired for a foreign language. Now I can think and talk in Irish and now and then I dream in Irish!
The definitive decline in the last few decades, despite it being mandatory teaching, suggest to me that it is indeed dieing. The very fact that Braddock had to make a concerted decision in his mind to learn his native tongue tells me something. That is what I was after. I wanted perspective from our Irish brethren and I got it. Go raibh maith agaibh.
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I was very concerned in recent years about the demise of the language but I'm quite encouraged by a shift in attitude in recent years. The program you mentioned in your OP where the guy went around speaking exclusively in Irish was actually a major turning point for me. I thought about how mortified I'd have been if he had stopped me on the street and tested my Gaeilge; it was then that I realised that I knew Irish but couldn't really speak it. I had my own acid test a few weeks ago when I was interviewed by TG4's Irish news following the premiere of a controversial documentary on poet Cathal O'Searcaigh (a famous Gaeilge poet who lived nearby my family home and went to the same primary school as me), I had to speak completely in Irish for something that was to be nationally broadcast!Kmarion wrote:
Damn I got burned for asking an intelligent question.henno13 wrote:
ahh burnBraddock wrote:
Dia duit a Kmarion. Tá se fíor le rá go bhfuil go leor duine ar an oileann seo gan Gaeilge ar bith inniu, ach le sin ráite níl an teanga marbh go fóill. Tá sé fós beo ins na Gaeltachta agus tá an stáisiún TG4 ceann de na stáisiún is fearr ar an teilifís anseo, dar liomsa... tá South Park ar siúl ar TG4 as Gaeilge anois! Bhí mé fhéin rugadh agas ardaithe ins an Gaeltacht ach ní raibh mé liofa nuair a bhí mé óg mar bhí mo thuismitheoirí ardaithe ins an Albain agus an Sasana agus mar sin ní raibh Gaeilge aice agus ní raibh an teanga labhartha sa teach. Thart fá bliain amhain ó shin rinne me suas mo intinn chun mo mháthair teanga a fhoghlaim arís, go ceart, mar ní mhaith liom an smaoineamh go raibh mo ceann sreangaithe chun dteanga iasachta. Anois táim abalta smaoineamh agus labhairt as Gaeilge agus anois agus arís tá mo brionglóidí as Gaeilge!
Hello Kmarion. It is true to say that many people on this island are without Irish today, but with that said the language is not dead yet. It is still alive in the Gaeltachts (Gaeilge speaking regions) and the television station TG4 is one of the best stations here, in my opinion... South Park is on now in Irish! I myself was born and raised in the Gaeltacht but I wasn't fluent when I was young because my parents were raised in Scotland and England and because of that they had no Irish and the language was not spoken in the house. About a year ago I made my mind up to learn my mother tongue again, properly, because I didn't like the idea that my mind was wired for a foreign language. Now I can think and talk in Irish and now and then I dream in Irish!
The definitive decline in the last few decades, despite it being mandatory teaching, suggest to me that it is indeed dieing. The very fact that Braddock had to make a concerted decision in his mind to learn his native tongue tells me something. That is what I was after. I wanted perspective from our Irish brethren and I got it. Go raibh maith agaibh.
The channel TG4 is very much responsible for the renewed interest in the language. The channel has given us new celebrities that are actually quite funny and charismatic sometimes like Daithí O'Sé and Hector Hector O'hEochagain, not to mention some seriously hot news reporters and weather girls like Grainne Seoige and Síle Ní Bhraonáin. Also on RTÉ we have a new program by comedian Des Bishop (an American Irishman as opposed to an Irish American) where he attempts to learn the Irish language in the space of a year with the aim of doing a stand up act completely in Irish at the end. Add to this the comedy value of South Park and SpongeBob Squarepants in Irish and you have a language that still has a place in contemporary Irish society.
The really weird thing is I always speak Irish with my friends when I'm abroad, almost instinctively... it's like you subconsciously become aware of your own ethnicity. Plus it's great as a secret code!
That seems to be happening with native languages worldwide, most reciently due to the internet. It's rather sad.
Au contraire mon ami... go to YouTube and type in 'Gaeilge' and see how much comes up, I think the internet will be a saviour for many dying languages. I'm half tempted to start learning Navajo Indian now!Deadmonkiefart wrote:
That seems to be happening with native languages worldwide, most reciently due to the internet. It's rather sad.
Here's Irish celebrity Dara O'Briain talking Irish on Johnathon Woss...
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No, you are interpreting your Nietzsche wrong.
"Hey Martin, why aren't you wearing green? I'm gonna pinch / punch you LOLOLOL"
"Hey retard, are you Irish? No? Poser."
"Hey retard, are you Irish? No? Poser."
Even prior to the internet phenomenon people were learning languages via the mass media (TV). I actually started learning Spanish by watching soccer on telemundo..lol. I picked up Spanish quicker than French (which I still struggle with). I took French for four years and it is what my grandparents spoke fluently in front of me. Media=Win imo.Braddock wrote:
Au contraire mon ami... go to YouTube and type in 'Gaeilge' and see how much comes up, I think the internet will be a saviour for many dying languages. I'm half tempted to start learning Navajo Indian now!Deadmonkiefart wrote:
That seems to be happening with native languages worldwide, most reciently due to the internet. It's rather sad.
Here's Irish celebrity Dara O'Briain talking Irish on Johnathon Woss...
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Ask any non-native English speaker how they learned English. 9/10 will say TV.Kmarion wrote:
Even prior to the internet phenomenon people were learning languages via the mass media (TV). I actually started learning Spanish by watching soccer on telemundo..lol. I picked up Spanish quicker than French (which I still struggle with). I took French for four years and it is what my grandparents spoke fluently in front of me. Media=Win imo.Braddock wrote:
Au contraire mon ami... go to YouTube and type in 'Gaeilge' and see how much comes up, I think the internet will be a saviour for many dying languages. I'm half tempted to start learning Navajo Indian now!Deadmonkiefart wrote:
That seems to be happening with native languages worldwide, most reciently due to the internet. It's rather sad.
Here's Irish celebrity Dara O'Briain talking Irish on Johnathon Woss...
An bhfuil tú ar meisce fós? = are you drunk yet?
Happy St Patricks day...
If it weren't for liquor... the Irish would rule the world... favorite quote...lol
Happy St Patricks day...
If it weren't for liquor... the Irish would rule the world... favorite quote...lol
Love is the answer
Compare the land size of the pacific northwest to Ireland. Then you may see that it's worth comparing.Kmarion wrote:
The United States has never had an "Official Language". There is a big difference when you compare a (language) culture that goes back to the 4th century. The United States is dominated by a mixed European migration that happened only a few hundred years ago. It's not even remotely worthy of comparison.liquix wrote:
thats a shame. i guess americans don't speak Indian languages either. The loss of language is a sad thing, here in the Pacific Northwest the language Salish is in bad shape too...just a handful of folks speak it.
Ireland — Area (Total): 70,280 km2
Washington — Area (Total): 184,827 km2
Even if only the coastal region of Washington spoke Salish, it's still as much land area as Ireland. Furthermore, Salish speaking areas include the Oregon coast and up to Alaska; vastly more land area than Ireland.
Language is necessity, if you don't need to speak it then you most likely won't. If people needed to speak, read, and write Gaelic every day it would not be so rarely utilized.
One day, it will be English that has all but disappeared.
Premble to statement: stupid Mac won't let me do fadas, please excuse:
Mar a duirt Braddock, nil teanga s'againn marbh go foill. Chonaic me brat maith inniu i Nua Eabhrach ar La Fheile Phadraig - duirt an brat "Tir gan teanga, tir gan anam". Caithfidh muid ar teanga a shabhail.
Oh and yes I'm from the Gaeltacht, as is Braddock unsurprisingly. Language is an important part of cultural identity - I'm lucky to come from part of the country where Gaeilge is the first language, not the second - but for the greater good it must be preserved: like a museum keeps dinosaur bones.
Mar a duirt Braddock, nil teanga s'againn marbh go foill. Chonaic me brat maith inniu i Nua Eabhrach ar La Fheile Phadraig - duirt an brat "Tir gan teanga, tir gan anam". Caithfidh muid ar teanga a shabhail.
Oh and yes I'm from the Gaeltacht, as is Braddock unsurprisingly. Language is an important part of cultural identity - I'm lucky to come from part of the country where Gaeilge is the first language, not the second - but for the greater good it must be preserved: like a museum keeps dinosaur bones.
ROFL, I strongly recommend that you don't, that language is soooo incredibly hard. It has so many minor differances that matter so much. "Hi" with one consonant pronounced slightly different (most people won't even hear the difference, let alone make it) means something like "dickhead",.. you get the idea about what sort of trouble you'll get yourself intoBraddock wrote:
I'm half tempted to start learning Navajo Indian now!
I believe the longevity of a language is impacted more by the amount of people who actually speak it now. Not necessarily the distance between the people. We are living in the age of cell phones and computers ya know.liquix wrote:
Compare the land size of the pacific northwest to Ireland. Then you may see that it's worth comparing.Kmarion wrote:
The United States has never had an "Official Language". There is a big difference when you compare a (language) culture that goes back to the 4th century. The United States is dominated by a mixed European migration that happened only a few hundred years ago. It's not even remotely worthy of comparison.liquix wrote:
thats a shame. i guess americans don't speak Indian languages either. The loss of language is a sad thing, here in the Pacific Northwest the language Salish is in bad shape too...just a handful of folks speak it.
Ireland — Area (Total): 70,280 km2
Washington — Area (Total): 184,827 km2
Even if only the coastal region of Washington spoke Salish, it's still as much land area as Ireland. Furthermore, Salish speaking areas include the Oregon coast and up to Alaska; vastly more land area than Ireland.
Language is necessity, if you don't need to speak it then you most likely won't. If people needed to speak, read, and write Gaelic every day it would not be so rarely utilized.
One day, it will be English that has all but disappeared.
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Try pressing the 'alt' button along with your letter for a fada when you're using a Mac, that works on mine.CameronPoe wrote:
Premble to statement: stupid Mac won't let me do fadas, please excuse:
Mar a duirt Braddock, nil teanga s'againn marbh go foill. Chonaic me brat maith inniu i Nua Eabhrach ar La Fheile Phadraig - duirt an brat "Tir gan teanga, tir gan anam". Caithfidh muid ar teanga a shabhail.
Oh and yes I'm from the Gaeltacht, as is Braddock unsurprisingly. Language is an important part of cultural identity - I'm lucky to come from part of the country where Gaeilge is the first language, not the second - but for the greater good it must be preserved: like a museum keeps dinosaur bones.
I agree 100%, the number of speaking people absolutely determines the longevity. Sadly, comparing populations of natives now to 200 years ago there; there pretty much are none left.Kmarion wrote:
I believe the longevity of a language is impacted more by the amount of people who actually speak it now. Not necessarily the distance between the people. We are living in the age of cell phones and computers ya know.liquix wrote:
Compare the land size of the pacific northwest to Ireland. Then you may see that it's worth comparing.Kmarion wrote:
The United States has never had an "Official Language". There is a big difference when you compare a (language) culture that goes back to the 4th century. The United States is dominated by a mixed European migration that happened only a few hundred years ago. It's not even remotely worthy of comparison.
Ireland — Area (Total): 70,280 km2
Washington — Area (Total): 184,827 km2
Even if only the coastal region of Washington spoke Salish, it's still as much land area as Ireland. Furthermore, Salish speaking areas include the Oregon coast and up to Alaska; vastly more land area than Ireland.
Language is necessity, if you don't need to speak it then you most likely won't. If people needed to speak, read, and write Gaelic every day it would not be so rarely utilized.
One day, it will be English that has all but disappeared.