nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6751|New Haven, CT
This thread is inspired by a short debate we had in AP U.S. History today about the value of art in a society. We had just learned about the "Federal One" cultural projects during the New Deal designed to support the arts, and one kid voiced the opinion that subsidizing arts was a waste of federal money. Other people said that art is necessary for a culture, but we ran out of time before anything sure could be established.

So, my question: Should the government have subsidized artists like they did the 1930's, and should they now?


I tend to lean toward the view that they shouldn't, primarily because I think that they don't provide enough of a cultural benefit to justify spending taxpayer dollars on.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6956|Global Command
Through junior high, absolutely. After that, maybe not so much.
RoosterCantrell
Goodbye :)
+399|6907|Somewhere else

Ideally, they should, realistically, no.

Government approved art?  EGADS!

John Ashcroft approved art?!! NOOOOOOO!

Bush being part of a process that deems what art is or isn't *GGGGRRRROOOOAAAAANNNN*

A little culture is good for people, but then the BS of politics would come in.  What's artistic, whats offensive.  whats fair to pay for, whats unfair to not pay for.  More hassle than good.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7134|67.222.138.85
No, because it would stifle true creativity. If an artist truly wants to do what they do, they will find a way to do it. Yeah I know Van Gogh only sold one painting in his lifetime, but he still kept painting.
zeidmaan
Member
+234|6842|Vienna

Austria subsidizes art and most people probably dont know it. When you pay the annual fee for TV and radio you also chip in a small amount for artists. It wouldnt piss me off if there wasnt this craze for "modern art" that probably sucks up most of the money.
Recently there was an exhibition of those "artists" and the main star was a guy who took 2 balls, throwed them in the air and took a picture. Than he did it over and over again for 36 times since that's how much film he had (no other meaning). So basically his exhibition is 36 pictures of 2 balls and a blue sky and its supposed to be a master piece worth my money?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6838|'Murka

As art pretty much doesn't define society any more, I don't see how that argument for government funding applies.

The only government subsidy of art should be in the context of paying an artist for a particular government project. So they are being paid for services rendered, not just so they can keep being artists.
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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7198|PNW

Anything involving sticking stuff in bottles of piss or erecting bronze monoliths of faceless automatons classifies as government art.
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|7076
They should provided the artist actually works. There was a case here in Norway a couple weeks ago where the authorities found out that they were/had been subsidizing an artist for the past 20 years and she hadn't made one single film or work of art. Bitch.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7198|PNW

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

They should provided the artist actually works. There was a case here in Norway a couple weeks ago where the authorities found out that they were/had been subsidizing an artist for the past 20 years and she hadn't made one single film or work of art. Bitch.
How do you know heit isn't 'living art'?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-03-19 04:37:34)

..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|7076

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

They should provided the artist actually works. There was a case here in Norway a couple weeks ago where the authorities found out that they were/had been subsidizing an artist for the past 20 years and she hadn't made one single film or work of art. Bitch.
How do you know he isn't 'living art'?
lol

Don't ask me, ask the government who took her support her away
Varegg
Support fanatic :-)
+2,206|7237|Nårvei

In Norway you can get artist wager from the government, it must be applied for and your work is evaluated each three years to check if you are able for continued support.

The case Teddy mentioned was a girl that received 1,6 mill nok over a period of 16 years for various film projects where she wasn't able to complete any for some strange reason.

Besides that i think it is necesary to fund certain artists or we will loose out big when it comes to culture in our society.
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Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7193|Cambridge (UK)
If the government just gave away money to artists, then yes.

If the government got to control what art was created, then no.
loubot
O' HAL naw!
+470|7005|Columbus, OH
I haven't stepped into an art museum in years.....never received an invitation from an art museum so my answer is no.
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6994|NYC / Hamburg

no, if people want to see/buy art, they should pay the market price for it.
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Parker
isteal
+1,452|6821|The Gem Saloon
its not the art that makes society better.....its the education that allows you to interpret the art for what its worth.




now, with that said:
i would LOVE if i got money from the govenment to do my work. a lot of times my work suffers cause im worried about money.
on the other hand, how many lazy fuck artists would take advantage of the situation?
Locoloki
I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!
+216|7067|Your moms bedroom
art is overrated, look at south park

shitty art, terrible graphics

insanely awesome fucking tv show though

ok, ok, i fucked up, South Park is art (music/comedy)

oh and no

our local town decided to appropriate funds to a "modern" sculpture in one of our plazas

the result

a heinous metal thing in the middle of an intersection, and the exclamation.. "WE PAID HOW MUCH????"

The statue cost $80,000, and was purchased by the city of Waterville Govt. im looking for a picture and cant find one. Maybe ill have to take one

Last edited by Locoloki (2008-03-19 08:35:02)

KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,991|7059|949

I consider art extremely important and culturally relevant.  I support government funding for art programs - to encourage developing artists and to support artists.  I wouldn't support a government promotion of art like Hitler did with Leni Riefenstahl where the art was used for propaganda/political motives, but I do support general funds to create art programs and for the preservation of museums, galleries, etc.  Ideally, it would be great if private philanthropy took the burden off of government so cultural relevant aspects of society such as art would be 100% supported and promoted by society itself.
liquix
Member
+51|6881|Peoples Republic of Portland
honestly, most people are pretty ignorant to the subject of art on these forums. Art is perceived by most as painting and other fine-art type crafts. Thankfully this is not the case. Every single product you touch every day has been designed by a team of artists and engineers working side by side, this includes every package as well.

Now I do understand that opinion that Art doesn't matter to society as much as other things, but simply look back to any ancient culture. What remained is the art, Roman buildings and sculptures, mayan temples, the sphynx, and many others. It is by the Artwork of ancient cultures that we have learned much of what we have about them, and this equally as important to us as it is to them. Some may argue that these relics only exist because of engineering feats, and this is in-part true. I think perhaps that before any posters pass judgment, perhaps it would be beneficial to actually research the history of art and it's effect on society. Especially the younger posters, who in many cases have not studied artistic history or it's correlation with society.

As far as governmental funding of the arts, I believe this is a good thing if the specific artist, and reason behind any funding is within reason. A public works project such as Mount Rushmore is a good allocation of funds to employ workers to boost the economy and national pride.

Fortunately enough I am an artist, yet my field rides a strange line between engineering, marketing, and art. I do not paint or make sculptures for my job, my works are intended for mass production. I do believe that less and less government funding for artistic programs in public schools especially has been nothing less than abysmal. My high school had zero art budget, and with ever more after-school programs being cut it will not be long before the moral of students as a whole begins to suffer greatly. One cannot expect schools to pump out scientists and engineers only.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6832|North Carolina
Art is a necessary private endeavor for a culture.  In other words, no government funding should go to it.

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