BF2S Forums Dutch Islam film website shut.

If Muslims want to live in societies that have joined the 21st century, they need to tag along for the ride.

David.P wrote:

Freedom of Speech > Islam.

Turquoise wrote:

David.P wrote:

Freedom of Speech > Islam.

Agreed...  I'm just glad I don't live in the Netherlands....

Free weed and prostitutes.

I'm sure they have personal free speech as well, just the television network didn't want riots.

Turquoise wrote:

Hey, I'd love to visit Amsterdam, but I wouldn't want to live in a country where consolations like this are made for the sake of PC.

The shutting down of website? It was an American company.

Or did I just totally misunderstand that?

Turquoise wrote:

It was an American company censoring itself to comply with Dutch legislation.  They were afraid that the content of the site violated Dutch laws.

Hence, if the laws were more lenient like America's, this wouldn't be an issue.

BBC wrote:

But on Sunday, Network Solutions said it had received a number of complaints that were under investigation.

It said the site was suspended until it was established whether the content of the site violated Network Solutions' terms of acceptable use.

Is there any other link besides the beeb one? Upon reading the article I got the impression that people griped to Network Solutions, and they suspended it to appease them. Or did the request come from the dutch government?

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

It was an American company censoring itself to comply with Dutch legislation.  They were afraid that the content of the site violated Dutch laws.

Hence, if the laws were more lenient like America's, this wouldn't be an issue.

BBC wrote:

But on Sunday, Network Solutions said it had received a number of complaints that were under investigation.

It said the site was suspended until it was established whether the content of the site violated Network Solutions' terms of acceptable use.

Is there any other link besides the beeb one? Upon reading the article I got the impression that people griped to Network Solutions, and they suspended it to appease them. Or did the request come from the dutch government?

of course not, probably some angry Muslims...

hell even the NMO (Muslim Broadcast Station) here said they were considering broadcasting the vid under some rules (like seeing it beforehand)

the shutting down of that site has nothing to do with Dutch right freedom of speech....

Network took it off the air for possible violation of it's own rules...

most of you don't even know what this guy shouts about in our "second chamber" < government room...


Theo van Gogh said whatever he wanted, he was against Muslims (radicals) > murdered on the street.
Pim Fortuyn (Politician) was pre Geert Wilders, Geert is trying a cheap Fortuyn rip off in my eyes, Fortuyn > murdered.

we got our dealings with this kind of stuff and the Government is now pretty cautious about doing anything

^*AlphA*^ wrote:

most of you don't even know what this guy shouts about in our "second chamber" < government room...

Don't have to, watched an interview with him on Fox or something, he's a dick.

Bertster7 wrote:

It's like if Abu Hamza (perhaps a touch less extreme) made a film about the evils of Western society and wanted to air it on the BBC. It wouldn't get played, not for reasons to do with freedom of speech, but because the network wouldn't want to broadcast that sort of hate speech.

If people are getting murdered over this sort of thing, it sounds like maybe they aren't so wrong after all.

Turquoise wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

It's like if Abu Hamza (perhaps a touch less extreme) made a film about the evils of Western society and wanted to air it on the BBC. It wouldn't get played, not for reasons to do with freedom of speech, but because the network wouldn't want to broadcast that sort of hate speech.

If people are getting murdered over this sort of thing, it sounds like maybe they aren't so wrong after all.

They are very wrong and Geert Wilders is a fuckwit. Listen to what people from the Netherlands who are actually acquainted with the situation have to say. This is a man who wanted the Dutch constitution suspended to combat Islam and suggested getting Muslims immigrating to the Netherlands to tear up the Koran.

Bertster7 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

It's like if Abu Hamza (perhaps a touch less extreme) made a film about the evils of Western society and wanted to air it on the BBC. It wouldn't get played, not for reasons to do with freedom of speech, but because the network wouldn't want to broadcast that sort of hate speech.

If people are getting murdered over this sort of thing, it sounds like maybe they aren't so wrong after all.

They are very wrong and Geert Wilders is a fuckwit. Listen to what people from the Netherlands who are actually acquainted with the situation have to say. This is a man who wanted the Dutch constitution suspended to combat Islam and suggested getting Muslims immigrating to the Netherlands to tear up the Koran.

...and if Muslims kill these people instead of shrugging off their nonsense, that only legitimizes what they are saying.

Look, as I've said before, most Muslims are sensible people, but perhaps, the kinds of Muslims that end up in the Netherlands are more extremist than the ones who come to places like America.  There seems to be a good amount of evidence in various countries like the U.K., France, and the Netherlands that Muslims might be generally more militant in Europe than the Muslims who come to America.

It kind of makes sense if you think about it.  It takes a lot more effort to come all the way to America than it does to immigrate to Europe.  It would make sense that mostly Muslims that are more liberal would go so far as to enter America because of the effort involved.   A lot of the Muslims that come to Europe seem only interested in economic opportunity, which is understandable, but it also looks as if some of them have brought with them a serious lack of tolerance.

Turquoise wrote:

^*AlphA*^ wrote:

Bertster7 wrote:

It's like if Abu Hamza (perhaps a touch less extreme) made a film about the evils of Western society and wanted to air it on the BBC. It wouldn't get played, not for reasons to do with freedom of speech, but because the network wouldn't want to broadcast that sort of hate speech.

http://judicial-inc.biz/van_gogh_murder.htm

it happend here before.

That website seems less than reputable.

was just to reminder of history.

Bertster7 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

^*AlphA*^ wrote:

http://judicial-inc.biz/van_gogh_murder.htm

it happend here before.

That website seems less than reputable.

Yup. But Wilders, he certainly has a lot of Mossad connections. He's basically an Israeli puppet.

I wouldn't doubt it.  However, again, if the Muslims fall prey to hatred as a result of his manipulations, doesn't that say something about their own failings?

If any other group started assassinating public figures, I seriously doubt you'd be as forgiving of them.  Let's say Jews started killing prominent Muslims in the Netherlands.  How would you feel towards the Jews in general?