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Saddam Hussein's intelligence agency secretly financed a trip to Iraq for three U.S. lawmakers...

None was charged and Justice Department spokesman Dean Boyd said investigators "have no information whatsoever" any of them knew the trip was underwritten by Saddam.

"Obviously we didn't know it at the time," McDermott spokesman Michael DeCesare said Wednesday. "The trip was to see the plight of the Iraqi children. That's the only reason we went."

ATG wrote:

A divided America cannot effectively fight a major war, so if the purpose of the war is so murky we, the people have to argue about it, it probably isn't worth fighting.

Well then we shoudn't have fought the Nazi's by that process.  And actually we didn't until the Japs attacked us. 
Iraq was a fight that needed to be fought, and won like it was.  Breaking the bank to rebuild a country rich in oil that could pay by itself is a different story.

ATG wrote:

" During the trip, the lawmakers expressed skepticism about the Bush administration's claims that Saddam was stockpiling weapons of mass destruction. "

Make up your own mind....

Even the Spitzer sex scandal had more political substance than this story.  Bush's State Department approved the trip.  A bunch of bleeding heart libs went to Iraq to see some human sob stories, and came back.  Wow.  So which neo-con-backed establishment funded McCain's last shopping trip there? 

Trying to figure out what makes this headline news...election year perhaps?

I don't really like defending the Democratic Party, but you are forcing me to.

What do you expect from a government that lied 935 times in order to persuade the public for a war that had already been decided?

Oh well, make that 936.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Well then we shoudn't have fought the Nazi's by that process.  And actually we didn't until the Japs attacked us. 
Iraq was a fight that needed to be fought, and won like it was.  Breaking the bank to rebuild a country rich in oil that could pay by itself is a different story.

As you stated, the US didn't take on Germany until they were attacked by Japan and Germany had promptly declared war on them. What have you achieved by 'winning' the Iraq war? Not a whole fucking lot, eh? $107 a barrel of oil, a dollar as weak as piss, 4000+ needlessly dead Americans, a world of animosity, Iraqi alignment with Iran and an Iraq that is now home to elements of Al Qaeda (unlike previously). Nice.

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CameronPoe wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Well then we shoudn't have fought the Nazi's by that process.  And actually we didn't until the Japs attacked us. 
Iraq was a fight that needed to be fought, and won like it was.  Breaking the bank to rebuild a country rich in oil that could pay by itself is a different story.

As you stated, the US didn't take on Germany until they were attacked by Japan and Germany had promptly declared war on them. What have you achieved by 'winning' the Iraq war? Not a whole fucking lot, eh? $107 a barrel of oil, a dollar as weak as piss, 4000+ needlessly dead Americans, a world of animosity, Iraqi alignment with Iran and an Iraq that is now home to elements of Al Qaeda (unlike previously). Nice.

Patience is a virtue

M.O.A.B wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Well then we shoudn't have fought the Nazi's by that process.  And actually we didn't until the Japs attacked us. 
Iraq was a fight that needed to be fought, and won like it was.  Breaking the bank to rebuild a country rich in oil that could pay by itself is a different story.

As you stated, the US didn't take on Germany until they were attacked by Japan and Germany had promptly declared war on them. What have you achieved by 'winning' the Iraq war? Not a whole fucking lot, eh? $107 a barrel of oil, a dollar as weak as piss, 4000+ needlessly dead Americans, a world of animosity, Iraqi alignment with Iran and an Iraq that is now home to elements of Al Qaeda (unlike previously). Nice.

Patience is a virtue

lol. Delusions. "If we wait long enough maybe all of the Iraqis will change their mind and decide that the US is good and that Sunnis, Shi'as and Kurds should all go out and hold hands around the campfire singing lullabies."

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Pubic wrote:

accusing the opposition party of co-operating with your enemy???  This just takes the fucken cake, are they THAT desperate for votes??

manipulation ftw, you're right here man. Republicans fucked up so badly and seeing how americans are more and more fed up with this war, republicans obviously lost people to vote for them. Unfortunately, from what I saw, americans don't have an interesting choice for the election... Hillary Clinton is a blatant liar, Mc Cain sounds like a Bush & fellow friends puppet and Obama... curiously he seems to be the less moron. Ahh poor americans *sigh*

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

we're doing fine, dont worry about us.  worry about your own poor.

hahaha

*sigh*

haha

M.O.A.B wrote:

My point was that things don't happen immediately, and don't say 5 years is a long time for these things because it isn't. Ireland is the biggest example of all time, 800 years from the start and 30 for when all the bombing and terrorism took place, yet its starting to do better isn't it? Japan is another example, sworn enemies of the US in the 40's, within 20-30 years it was an economic ally of the US and the West and developed into a major MEDC with US and Western help.

Well only another 795 years to go before things start improving then, eh?

PS If you suffered two nuclear explosions on your home turf I'd imagine you'd change your tune pretty damn quickly too. Germany and Japan were utterly vanquished in do-or-die winner-takes-all wars. The Iraq war could not possibly be further from that. It was a war a choice, not of necessity, and was not driven by noble intentions.

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

from what I understand, a large reason for the Celtic Tiger has been because of corporate outsourcing.  Am i wrong cam?

Combination of factors. Ireland has the lowest rate of corporate tax in Europe (substantially lower than other countries). It is the 'bridge' between the US and Europe from a telecommunications point of view. Free third level education for all produced thousands of engineers and IT specialists and scientists ripe for big multinationals to recruit. English speaking populace (begrudgingly on my part!!!) - global language of commerce. In the early 90s we were comparable to modern Bosnia so labour was ridiculously cheap. EU funding vastly improved our transport infrastructure.

So basically all the big multinationals arrived in their droves which was good at the time and even now but leaves us very prone to getting shafted up the ass in the long run (as multinationals hold allegiance to no-one but the balance sheet).

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M.O.A.B wrote:

Germany got hit in a ground war and they're doing fine. Point regarding Japan is that if they didn't want to be allies they could just pull out today, but they don't. Regardless of the nukes they still became allies with the west on their own accord, or are you saying that Japan today fears it might be nuked if it pulls out of an alliance with the US?

Japan was culturally similar to America and Europe. It was the only westernised nation in Asia. The propaganda they were fed by Hirohito taught them that the US were vile demons who would rape their women and burn their houses. In the end they realised that they had been duped and that the Americans weren't so bad after all. They then set about attaining their previous level of prosperity again, hand and hand with the western world, because it was the only way how.

There is but one or two examples of a functioning democracy in the entire Islamic world and their culture is distinctly different from that of the US, Europe or Japan. The Islamic world is also starting from a state of having barely any prosperity, unlike Japan. Why would any Islamic country trust a western nation? Since WWII and beforehand the west has done nothing but attempt to exploit their resources, back brutal dictators and since 1948 has backed their arch enemy, Israel, wholeheartedly. It's like expecting them to accept help from the guy whose best friend assaulted your brother and took all his belongings.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-03-27 13:04:50)