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2006-02-20 23:02:24
ComradeWho
Member
+50|7138|Southern California
Half of the people don't really care how ridiculous the AA is because half of the people are bitter about being killed by planes. All they have to offer in this discussion is an irrational emotional reaction. Anybody who dares question the justice and righteousness of the new AA can surely only be one of the demonic gamers who provoked the innocent's bitterness through flying planes in the first place, and any opinion voiced by these demons is slanted and invalid because they are mean-heads that just want to ruin the game for everyone! The bottom line is that the AA gives a chance for anybody at any time with any skill level to take solemn revenge against those demons who pour out unhappiness into the world like so many aerial bombs. How can the changes be wrong when they provide the worst players in the game a chance to enjoy vengeance against those players who constantly remind them of their inability to play properly by constantly killing them. Any attempt to weaken the AA, even if only slightly, would just be a trick - a vile trick perpetuated by the demons for the sole purpose of robbing the shitty players from more joyous vengeance. Anything that may result in a skilless player getting one less kill against a pilot is injustice, no matter how good the argument for such a change might be it is merely the demon's siren song luring our fragile minds into the depths of irrational debauchery. Thus we must ignore these claims and this so called "evidence" that the AA is full of bugs - it is merely an illusion, a spell cast down upon the interweb to trick the mind. Nevermind that it was crappy players who had the aa weakened to begin with in a previous patch when it was half the strength between 1.12 and 1.2. The important thing is that back then crappy players didn't like being shot down. The important thing is that at all times through all the patches the demand of the crappy players for the game to change in a way that they think might allow them a better chance to kill the more skilled players has been met by EA 100%, regardless of the so called "logic" that making the game easier in any way for unskilled and unpracticed players makes it much easier for the skilled and practiced ones.

Last edited by ComradeWho (2006-02-20 23:03:21)

2006-02-20 23:05:56
airborne916
Member
+24|7109
i dont mind AA's no more, i just go to high for them or go around them. It's so easy i dont see why people are still bitching about the AA.
2006-02-20 23:09:05
ComradeWho
Member
+50|7138|Southern California
yeah airborne i'm totally with you dude, it's like so awesome to be able to shoot an oil derrick with AA and have the missle wait in there like a mine until a plane flies by so i can get a kill. that's totally rad. there should be a gun in the game where you don't even have to have your monitor on to rake in kills with.
2006-02-20 23:14:23
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7205

I would have been happy if they just created a class that carried stingers.
2006-02-20 23:17:00
chitlin
Banned
+36|7206
haha comrade good / funny post
2006-02-20 23:18:48
airborne916
Member
+24|7109

ComradeWho wrote:

yeah airborne i'm totally with you dude, it's like so awesome to be able to shoot an oil derrick with AA and have the missle wait in there like a mine until a plane flies by so i can get a kill. that's totally rad. there should be a gun in the game where you don't even have to have your monitor on to rake in kills with.
I could not even read your fucking post, you grammer sucks big fat donkey dick. I know mine sucks but gosh, pleas atleast let me read it.
2006-02-20 23:20:54
ComradeWho
Member
+50|7138|Southern California

airborne916 wrote:

ComradeWho wrote:

yeah airborne i'm totally with you dude, it's like so awesome to be able to shoot an oil derrick with AA and have the missle wait in there like a mine until a plane flies by so i can get a kill. that's totally rad. there should be a gun in the game where you don't even have to have your monitor on to rake in kills with.
I could not even read your fucking post, you grammer sucks big fat donkey dick. I know mine sucks but gosh, pleas atleast let me read it.
shux lolz iz 2 bad i want 2 b a teecher.

i just think that insulting my grammar, which i believe was adequate (and by the way intentionally bad as part of a sarcastic response), is the only response you are capable of mustering.
2006-02-20 23:25:32
Stratocaster
WCR official whiner
+6|7171|Madrid, Spain
Whatever... I think AA is perfect now... should EA/Dice retouch that in a next patch, I will stop playing BF2.

Ace pilots were masters of the sky, of the maps, of the universe. now things are balanced up. Oh you jetwhores can still have a nice k/d ratio if u know how to drop bombs properly and use the flares with instinct. But if a tank is easy to destroy, why should a plane be almost invincible?

1.2 is, in that way, perfect.
2006-02-20 23:27:41
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|7232|Singapore

Strato: Um. Perfect? I don't think the missiles were made to zigzag that way, I don't hink many of the bugs that are STILL ingame are fixed.
2006-02-20 23:28:20
ComradeWho
Member
+50|7138|Southern California

Stratocaster wrote:

Whatever... I think AA is perfect now... should EA/Dice retouch that in a next patch, I will stop playing BF2.

Ace pilots were masters of the sky, of the maps, of the universe. now things are balanced up. Oh you jetwhores can still have a nice k/d ratio if u know how to drop bombs properly and use the flares with instinct. But if a tank is easy to destroy, why should a plane be almost invincible?

1.2 is, in that way, perfect.
yeah what you said is so true. i think it is so balanced and great.. indeed in your own words "perfect" that you can fire AA at lit up oil derrick, have it the missle stored safely in the flame there only to launch out and kill some aircraft that happens within range of it. There are mines for the ground so why not mines for the air? I, like you, have absolutely no problem with this and do not consider it to be a bug - nor do I consider it unbalanced or ridiculous that you can wrack up tons of automatic kills with the monitor off using AA and listening to the lock. Cus it gets them nasty whores and teaches em a lesson! Take that, whores.
2006-02-20 23:30:44
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7205

Yep, just like dropping bombs on the carrier took skill and talent.
2006-02-20 23:31:35
Stratocaster
WCR official whiner
+6|7171|Madrid, Spain

polarbearz wrote:

Strato: Um. Perfect? I don't think the missiles were made to zigzag that way, I don't hink many of the bugs that are STILL ingame are fixed.
maybe not 100% perfect but that's the way things must go towards.
and the bugs, well 1.21 is on its way... let's just be patient, I love this game!
2006-02-20 23:33:16
ComradeWho
Member
+50|7138|Southern California

usmarine2005 wrote:

Yep, just like dropping bombs on the carrier took skill and talent.
and when exactly does the retributive period of ridiculously buggy and easy to use weapondry end, when exactly does the bitter mass of lamers have their taste for vengeance satisfied and we can get a piece of weapondry that is not an absurdity? or will lamers just take to the skies in increasing numbers and bitch about how powerful the AA is like the did in the first place which is why it was made to be ridiculously weak...
2006-02-20 23:36:40
chitlin
Banned
+36|7206
look at stratocasters stats then know that he is exactly who you are talking about comrade
2006-02-20 23:36:41
Stratocaster
WCR official whiner
+6|7171|Madrid, Spain
at least flying guys have flares and a safe place to repair a few seconds away..... armor is thougher, you may have noticed how often tanks get destroyed, just wait for a tank in main base and you can get it, but the goddam planes take ages to appear again when piloted by skilled players. I've seen planes used only 3 times in a round. Never has such a thing happened to a tank. let's be fair, tanks are the toughest war machines ever built by men, and we all know how fragile planes are. things are ok now for me.
2006-02-20 23:37:03
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7205

The same way people are mocking bunny hoppers and noob tubers.
2006-02-20 23:39:08
Stratocaster
WCR official whiner
+6|7171|Madrid, Spain

chitlin wrote:

look at stratocasters stats then know that he is exactly who you are talking about comrade
what's wrong with my stats? my k/d ratio in airplane? yes it's 0.04%
2006-02-20 23:48:39
chitlin
Banned
+36|7206
i dont want to shit on you just cuz of your stats but there is a correlation between people who defend the aa and thier lack of skills in bf2.

what i was comenting on is how comrade hit the nail on the head how people want to defend the aa becuase it gives the people who cant / wont fly or just cant kill / score in general to take a shot at the planes / helos. it doesnt matter how unbalanced it is just i can finally kill that guy who used to kill the shit out of me.

and i was referring to your

.46 carbine
.61 assault rifle
.40 lmg
.21 sniper
.26 smg
.37 shotgun
.77 helo

and yes your .04 planes

if this makes me an asshole sobeit

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2006-02-20 23:58:53
RGB|Apocalypse
Member
+1|7204
Hm.. bitching about the bitches that bitch are the bitches that bitch themselves...

I don't see why any capable pilot has anymore complaints about the 1.2 AA. After the initial 3days, all those capable of holding their joysticks are back up again doing their ground bombing. This patch makes them more careful, which is what everyday infantry has to do every single goddamn time.

What makes fly boys so special that they can rake up points without a fuck care? Did they paid $61.00 for the game while we paid $60.00?...

Only things that are to be fixed/re-fixed are those huge (and obvious) bugs introduced by 1.2.
2006-02-21 00:00:11
Stratocaster
WCR official whiner
+6|7171|Madrid, Spain
so you think I have no skills?? wtf I'll see ya on the battlefield and we'll see who kicks the shit out of who

as I posted some time ago, my first 8000 points or so in this game were just careless of k/d ratio, and giving a shit about w/l games... I was playing medal of honor in a clan (they now play call of duty2) and it wasn't my "main" game. But something happened along the way, I fell in love with BF2. If you check my daily stats you will see how my k/d ratio has been improving every day since my enrollment date.
http://www.tomaplomo.com/bf2/stats.php? … &am=on
well this website is in spanish but you can see my kills and deaths every day... always positive k/d ratio.
maybe you think I am not skilled with airplanes... well I don't give a shit, I hate all flight sims and I love driving tanks, I haven't even spent half an hour in a plane cuz I don't care being good at it.
I defend AA because it balances the game, this is a war game, not a flying game, and all skilled pilots owned everybody else, it was unfair, u gotta admit it. I am right, u are wrong. nuff said.

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2006-02-21 00:00:17
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7205

RGB|Apocalypse wrote:

Hm.. bitching about the bitches that bitch are the bitches that bitch themselves...

I don't see why any capable pilot has anymore complaints about the 1.2 AA. After the initial 3days, all those capable of holding their joysticks are back up again doing their ground bombing. This patch makes them more careful, which is what everyday infantry has to do every single goddamn time.

What makes fly boys so special that they can rake up points without a fuck care? Did they paid $61.00 for the game while we paid $60.00?...

Only things that are to be fixed/re-fixed are those huge (and obvious) bugs introduced by 1.2.
Well said.
2006-02-21 00:04:02
Stratocaster
WCR official whiner
+6|7171|Madrid, Spain

usmarine2005 wrote:

RGB|Apocalypse wrote:

Hm.. bitching about the bitches that bitch are the bitches that bitch themselves...

I don't see why any capable pilot has anymore complaints about the 1.2 AA. After the initial 3days, all those capable of holding their joysticks are back up again doing their ground bombing. This patch makes them more careful, which is what everyday infantry has to do every single goddamn time.

What makes fly boys so special that they can rake up points without a fuck care? Did they paid $61.00 for the game while we paid $60.00?...

Only things that are to be fixed/re-fixed are those huge (and obvious) bugs introduced by 1.2.
Well said.
100% agree!!
2006-02-21 00:05:29
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7218|Noizyland

ComradeWho, I like your writing. You have a real style dude. That was an enjoyable read, but try paragraphing it next time - makes it a bit easier for everyone involved. Don't listen to airbourne, he's obviously not used to reading anything aimed above the 5-10 age group. The grammar was fine, punctuation maybe needs a little work.

First off, the AA was weakned.  It dosn't pack the punch it used to. It's lock however is the major change. In the old patch, I used to shoot aircraft with small arms, because I knew that in the long run, they'd have more effect. You prayed for an unexplainable ping surge to rid you of pilots who just had no way, besides crashing, of coming down.

Easier for less experianced players? No, see you're seeing it from a different perspective. Another perspective is this: it is now harder to fly and be effective. And besides, the AA isn't perfect, in my opinion it works just as it's supposed to. A lock on an aircraft, when coupled by firing a missile gives you about an 80% chance of hitting. That's one missile. Now couple with this the fact that it takes a minimum of three missiles to take down a plane. Adding to that, you have to be locked on to a pilot who will not try to avoid the missiles, the pilot must not go back to the airfield/carrier to repair, and more importantly, the person on the AA must not die. Taken all into account, AA takes a mixture of skill, luck and timing, as do most things.

Before however, the AA was meerly decorative. Most soldiers simply looked for cover every time a jet or chopper came near. Now it actually works. You can hit an enemy aircraft, as it should be! Now there is a way to counter air superority, which is fair enough because there sure as Hell wasn't any before.

Being able to fly does not mean your skilled. Look at me, I can barely fly a paper dart, yet with or without AA, I can 'own' in my own way. No one likes being shot down, which is why so many jet pilots were upset by the changes to AA. yes, it has made your jobs that but harder, but honestly, it wasn't that hard to begin with. All you used to need to know was how to achieve level flight and know when to release the bombs. Now, we'll see who the real pilots are. This new AA won't show us who the newbies are, they'll show us who the true aces really are.

See? As I said it's all a matter of perspective.
[Blinking eyes thing]
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2006-02-21 01:44:01
d3x74
Member
+14|7090|NY

Aenima_Eyes wrote:

I don't mind the AA so much. . .most of the people that jump in are noobs who don't know how to get out and take cover after they fire.  So if you have the flares and afterburners and luck to avoid their first shots you just come down on them like a ton of bricks from 400+ m w/ the Vulcans.  However, it is the dogfighting that is totally nerfed.

For instance, today I was flying on Gulf of Oman in the bomber.  Slow as hell.  Can't maneuver worth a shit.  Yet I was still raking in the kills.  So, I'd just reloaded on bombs, etc. and was back out over the Rock formation.  I bombed and wasted some AA guys but every noob in sight had jumped on one.  So needless to say I made a shar turn for home base. . .hit the burners. . .and after a few seconds of stead tone, popped flares.  Safe, right?  Nope.  Some tool in an F35 was watching my evasion tactics with pleasure and knew that with no flares at the moment and depleted afterburners he'd have an easy shot.  He gets behind me. . .I hear tone and know it's a jet because I'm over my own base so I flip a circle.  Bomber doesn't do those well so I go down in flames.

If you get behind a guy he's dead.  Unless you're out of missiles at the time.  That simple.  I know there are some super hotshot pilots out there who will claim that they can get away, etc. and I call bullshit.  Maybe if we're both in fighters and you have a J-10 you can pop flares and scoot away, but any other time. . .if I have missiles you're dead.  Any noob in the air that gets behind you can take you out now.  Couple that with increased AA and one or the other is gonna get you.
True, the same can be said in real life. If some one gets a lock onto you, your history.

However I enjoyed the old days of chasing another jet (with the mig being an exception) and firing the stinger missiles right up where the sun dont shine. Now its just too easy, any incompetent hick of a pilot can use the missiles to take down another pilot, regardless of skills.
2006-02-21 02:18:27
Kylau
Member
+9|7149|Washington
The problem with the AA is that if a missle is flying towards the jet there is nothing the pilot can do to avoid it. If he launches his flares there is a chance that the missle will strike the flare. But Most of the time, from what I have seen, the missle will zig zag back and forth between the flares and the jet until it decides which one it wants to hit.

Personally I think the missle's turning radius is too small. If the pilot does a sudden sharp turn in the jet at the in the last second before the missle hits his jet, the missle should fly past him.

 

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