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Braddock wrote:

I'm not trying to attack the US... again! What I was trying to show was that a website showing only the bad side of something, though it has merit and is worthy of acknowledging, should never be used on it's on to build your entire set of opinions on a subject. Perhaps Lotta_Drool and lowing should check out some sites featuring tales from people who's lives have been lit up with the joy of Allah and have interpreted the Qu'ran in a way that has led them to live a peaceful happy existence, free of hatred and extremism!

Very true...  I wasn't saying you were attacking us either.  You know I'm not the patriotic type... 

I just wish reformists and moderates held more power in the Middle East, but I realize that America is part of the reason for why this isn't the case....

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Yeah, I have pretty much heard everything now. A site run by Muslims that say Islam is violent and intolerant then PROVE it through litersally countless articles is being dismissed by non-Muslims as garbage and biased not worthy of consideration.

This annoys me. I can't speak for every 'librul' here but I have acknowledged on countless occasions that horrific tales from the Muslim world do in fact exist and this islam-watch site reflects some of these tales... what I have always stressed is that these stories do not reflect the full story of what Islam is.

I could very easily set up a website that documents American torture, unlawful killings in warzones, dropping of napalm on little girls, US soldiers raping young Vietnamese girls, US military blowing the limbs of Iraqi children, the US aiding and abetting terrorist murderers like the Cuban Possada Carriles, the support and installation of dictators like Saddam Hussein and the terrorist Osama Bin Laden... now tell me would that site be a balanced portrait of what America is?

Religion, Country, Religion, Country, Religion, Country, God, Politics, God, Politics.

Sorry, but you lost me with your comparison.  America isn't a Religion.  You can take or leave a Religion or belief system.  If I leave America I would end up in Canada or Mexico.  Then you would just point out how bad Canada and Mexico are and I would have to move again.

Oh I see, it's only religions that are responsible for deaths that are bad and have to be stood up to? A political mindset can be pretty much the same thing as a religion... just take out the fictional deities. It's a way of life, a way of looking at life, a set of ideologies.

Just admit to yourself that you hate Muslims, Islam and everything it stands for. You seem to be quite happy to dismiss those that are moderate Muslims as freak anomalies within an evil religion. No amount of debate will convince you otherwise. Can I ask you one more thing though... how many Muslims in real life have you met and found they wanted to kill you for being an infidel? Because I'm still waiting to meet one of those ones and until they're on their way over to me in a fighter jet I couldn't really less about them.

Braddock wrote:

Perhaps Lotta_Drool and lowing should check out some sites featuring tales from people who's lives have been lit up with the joy of Allah and have interpreted the Qu'ran in a way that has led them to live a peaceful happy existence, free of hatred and extremism!

A peoaceful happy existence without pork and constant bowing and chanting.  They should have joined the protestants because they could eat pork and only show up at church a couple time a year. 

Braddock- I acknowledge that there is good and bad people in the religion and they take different things from it.  My point is that Islam as a whole is a terrible religion that has fucked up the chance of a peaceful existance for much of the world.  They call it terrorism and the Middle East.  One is the fucking place that creates the problems and the other is the problem that traveled half way around the world to kill my innocent countrymen.  THIS IS ISLAM!!!!!!  It sure isn't that the M.E. is full of Mormons that hate all nonMormons and decide to blow up buildings and subways.

Reality, its whats for dinner.

Last edited by Lotta_Drool (2008-04-02 17:40:54)

CameronPoe wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

What about the numbers of rioters proclaiming that violence should be used in retaliation of offending Islam?  I know there are quite a few Imams preaching hate in Europe.

There are some but they are watched like hawks. As soon as they say the wrong thing they're banged up for incitement or deported.

Good to know...  If nothing else, they are useful for identifying who the terrorist sympathizers are among the population.  Anyone willing to support hateful Imams should be watched indeed.

My only fear is that the U.K. follows the Netherlands's example.  I really hope they don't censor themselves to appease the extremists.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Perhaps Lotta_Drool and lowing should check out some sites featuring tales from people who's lives have been lit up with the joy of Allah and have interpreted the Qu'ran in a way that has led them to live a peaceful happy existence, free of hatred and extremism!

A peoaceful happy existence without pork and constant bowing and chanting.  They should have joined the protestants because they could eat pork and only show up at church a couple time a year. 

Braddock- I acknowledge that there is good and bad people in the religion and they take different things from it.  My point is that Islam as a whole is a terrible religion that has fucked up the chance of a peaceful existance for much of the world.  They call it terrorism and the Middle East.  One is the fucking place that creates the problems and the other is the problem that traveled half way around the world to kill my innocent countrymen.  THIS IS ISLAM!!!!!!  It sure isn't that the M.E. is full of Mormons that hate all nonMormons and decide to blow up buildings and subways.

Reality, its whats for dinner.

Well come on Lotta_Drool to be fair the US traveled halfway around the world to mess around in this supposed hornet's nest of religious hatred, setting up military bases in Saudi Arabia, arming certain nations against others and facilitating a nation that snatched land off a people who didn't deserve to have their homeland pulled out from under their feet. The US brought a lot of trouble to the Middle East, it can't be that much of a shock to see some come back the other way. Religion is a handy way to spin it but it's just not always as simple as that.

The media tried to do the same thing with Northern Ireland, I couldn't give a fuck about Catholicism or the virgin Mary or any of that horseshit but the media back during the troubles would have you believe that my Nationalism was somehow inextricably linked to the Catholic faith. I'm not saying these terrorists aren't Islamic extremists but it seems that it's mostly dirt poor Muslims who live in shitholes that carry out the majority of these attacks... not many UAE businessmen flying planes into buildings.

CameronPoe wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

A peoaceful happy existence without pork and constant bowing and chanting.  They should have joined the protestants because they could eat pork and only show up at church a couple time a year. 

Braddock- I acknowledge that there is good and bad people in the religion and they take different things from it.  My point is that Islam as a whole is a terrible religion that has fucked up the chance of a peaceful existance for much of the world.  They call it terrorism and the Middle East.  One is the fucking place that creates the problems and the other is the problem that traveled half way around the world to kill my innocent countrymen.  THIS IS ISLAM!!!!!!  It sure isn't that the M.E. is full of Mormons that hate all nonMormons and decide to blow up buildings and subways.

Reality, its whats for dinner.

Lotta, you know fine well that they wouldn't give a fuck about us if we never bothered them in the first place. The number one reason they hate us is because we endorsed Israel (some more zealously than others). Why weren't there suicide bombers and jihadists in 1910? In 1920? In 1930? THe phenomenon only kicked off in the latter part of last century. The drivers were mainly political and social.

You backed the wrong horse back in 48. Now live with your fucking mistake. If you had cosied up to the Arabs in the Cold War instead of the resource-void that is Israel the world would be a very very different place today.

To a degree, this is true, but ironically, another part of this is that we should have let the Soviets crush groups like the Mujahideen in Afghanistan.  If we had, then Osama probably would've died in the conflict.

We also should've overthrown the Saudi family in favor of installing a progressive democracy with a nationalized oil supply, but that would never have happened anyway due to the influence of oil companies (just like in Iran with Mossadegh).

So, we didn't just back the wrong people (Israel), we also backed companies over the welfare of the average Arab and Persian.

Braddock wrote:

Oh I see, it's only religions that are responsible for deaths that are bad and have to be stood up to? A political mindset can be pretty much the same thing as a religion... just take out the fictional deities. It's a way of life, a way of looking at life, a set of ideologies.

Just admit to yourself that you hate Muslims, Islam and everything it stands for. You seem to be quite happy to dismiss those that are moderate Muslims as freak anomalies within an evil religion. No amount of debate will convince you otherwise. Can I ask you one more thing though... how many Muslims in real life have you met and found they wanted to kill you for being an infidel? Because I'm still waiting to meet one of those ones and until they're on their way over to me in a fighter jet I couldn't really less about them.

OK, I agree that my argument about the America thing was out there.  I hate Islam as a religion, not Muslims.  I work with some Muslims and I have talked with one about the whole Palestine issue and he says it is definately religious and goes back to the Biblical Separation of the Muslims and the Jews.  It is the insult to the Muslims that they call themselves the " Choosen Ones " while Muslims are the product of a maid getting knocked up.

It is Islam, it is not just by chance that when someone says Terrorist you think of Muslims.  Confront reality, Islam lends itself to violent Asshats in the same way that Nazism lends itself to violent asshats. 

Islam- belief in God, no problem just please don't kill me for being Jewish. 

Nazism- Think you are part of a superior race, no problem, just please don't kill me for being Jewish.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Oh I see, it's only religions that are responsible for deaths that are bad and have to be stood up to? A political mindset can be pretty much the same thing as a religion... just take out the fictional deities. It's a way of life, a way of looking at life, a set of ideologies.

Just admit to yourself that you hate Muslims, Islam and everything it stands for. You seem to be quite happy to dismiss those that are moderate Muslims as freak anomalies within an evil religion. No amount of debate will convince you otherwise. Can I ask you one more thing though... how many Muslims in real life have you met and found they wanted to kill you for being an infidel? Because I'm still waiting to meet one of those ones and until they're on their way over to me in a fighter jet I couldn't really less about them.

OK, I agree that my argument about the America thing was out there.  I hate Islam as a religion, not Muslims.  I work with some Muslims and I have talked with one about the whole Palestine issue and he says it is definately religious and goes back to the Biblical Separation of the Muslims and the Jews.  It is the insult to the Muslims that they call themselves the " Choosen Ones " while Muslims are the product of a maid getting knocked up.

It is Islam, it is not just by chance that when someone says Terrorist you think of Muslims.  Confront reality, Islam lends itself to violent Asshats in the same way that Nazism lends itself to violent asshats. 

Islam- belief in God, no problem just please don't kill me for being Jewish. 

Nazism- Think you are part of a superior race, no problem, just please don't kill me for being Jewish.

Errr, you do realise that the Jews see themselves as God's chosen people don't you? Why does this concept not offend you as much... that the Jews are in some way better than you because you are a gentile (I'm presuming you're not Jewish, correct me if I'm wrong)? Hell, Israel is a society set up with explicit bias towards the Jewish faith and ethnicity... that sure sounds a little Nazi-Germany-ish to me (ironically).

I don't like any religion and I sure don't like some of the concepts in Islam (the idea of infidels and whatnot) and likewise the concepts in Judaism but I'm not going to let that stop me having Muslim and Jewish friends. Don't worry so much Lotta, the religion itself isn't going to come over to America and attack you... start panicking when you meet a horrible nasty Muslim in person!

Braddock wrote:

xRBLx wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

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Young, British Muslims 'getting more radical'

As were both aware, the vast majority of British Muslims are Moderate or Liberal, but there is a significant percentage that can be classified as radical, and the government does nothing to stop them from spewing hateful rhetoric and indoctrinating their children with their views.  Of course, the same can be said for some Christian groups in America, but I'd be all for censoring them as well.

In my opinion, freedom of speech does not include the right to publicly call for violence against another person or group, and yes, a religious institution counts as "publicly."

There are two angry crowds atm in England. Firstly the ethnic minority who feel they should be given more have there say there way.
Secondly the Brits are becoming very f****d off that these people receive more benefits then they do eg. pirorty heath care and housing.
Our government is too concerned becoming called racists to put at end to it and end up making a void between the ethnic minority and the Brits.
I am also concerned what will happening when the this bridge becomes to wide.

Oh well I'm just gonna hang out with the Ozzy's in a few years...

Why do Muslims get priority healthcare and housing ahead of other people in England? That just seems stupid to me and hard to imagine as being true.

I didn't say Muslims I said ethnic minority.

Finally! Now that the playing field is evening out. I say we bomb Mecca.