This makes me want a large wall on the border, possibly with a mote

2008-04-03 15:44:30

#1

HurricaИe: Banned; +877|6388|Washington DC

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7328967.stm

I'll wager $50 that a fair amount of their members are illegals (escaping the law in El Salvador). I'll wager $50 more that if we had a wall, maybe with a large guarding force behind it, they wouldn't have gotten in here so easily.

I say we find these people and either send them to jail for life (maybe just throw them in a pit) or deport them. They should be treated like domestic terrorists IMO. Maybe hire these guys to work their magic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sombra_Negra

I mean shit, if some Mexican family or Salvadoran gangster can get through our border, then what's stopping terrorists from getting through and grouping up in the US?

2008-04-03 15:51:03

#2

Lotta_Drool: Spit; +350|6610|Ireland

^^^^ Are you voting for a Dem or Republican this year. You know neither party will secure the borders and the Dems want to make things worse.

2008-04-03 15:51:34

#3

Braddock: Agitator; +916|6717|Éire

I think you should save all the money you're burning in Iraq and Afghanistan and go ahead and build a big wall along your borders. Make the US a fortress and make the chances of another major terrorist attack much more remote... as well as stopping illegal immigrants coming in and messing with your shit.

2008-04-03 15:54:52

#4

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6982

Lotta_Drool wrote:
^^^^ Are you voting for a Dem or Republican this year. You know neither party will secure the borders and the Dems want to make things worse.

It's a two party system Drool. Suck it up....

/sorry

2008-04-03 16:06:04

#5

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

*shrugs* We could just issue a federal order saying feds and police have the right to shoot and kill all MS-13 members on sight. It wouldn't end the problem, but it would certainly scare the shit out of them. If INS was authorized to defend the border with an all-encompassing lethal force, half of the thugs wouldn't even make it into the U.S.

Note also that a minefield stretching across the Mexican border would be cheaper and more effective than a wall.

2008-04-03 16:08:06

#6

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7070

theyre a bunch of pussies

2008-04-03 16:16:10

#7

RoosterCantrell: Goodbye :); +399|6906|Somewhere else

vigilantism FTW. Not the right solution, but it works.

2008-04-03 16:17:35

#8

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7070

thats no different than the gangs themselves. how do you think they started out?

2008-04-03 16:19:12

#9

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

RoosterCantrell wrote:
vigilantism FTW. Not the right solution, but it works.

GS makes a good point. This is why it's better to just give the authorities license to kill. When it's official, it's not vigilantism.

2008-04-03 16:22:00

#10

IRONCHEF: Member; +385|6917|Northern California

So far, the only real thing that is working is to fine employers hiring illegals..in Arizona. This has sent them red-ass Mexican greesers back into Mexico and it's pissing off their president (yes, they have an illegal alien problem..their own people returning from the parking lots of America!). What's funny is the Mexican president is blaming the US on their influx of immigrants like we owe them an explanation or help taking care of them...their financial situation worsens too!

Imagine if we added the costs of their 12 million countrymen/women to their trade costs..or sent them a bill directly for educating, hospitalizing, feeding, and housing them.

As for the criminal element..they're just a byproduct of the 12 million + illegals flowing freely into our country. I like the land mine/sniper/pits of molten lava/sharks with laserbeams solution the best...no warning shots, leave the bodies in the desert as examples to others. THe flow would STOP.

2008-04-03 16:24:44

#11

RoosterCantrell: Goodbye :); +399|6906|Somewhere else

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
thats no different than the gangs themselves. how do you think they started out?

Yes, Very true. But the only thing that protect MS-13 is the legalities it takes to put them away the legal way.

MS-13 members, generally, are bullied into, or join for protection (read: pussies) and then grow balls from numbers. Shoot a few of them and let them know the community fights fire with fire.

Now that too is gang mentality really, so it's not the right answer, which I said. But I'd rather have armed neigbors that don't take shit from gangs, rather than have drug pushing, doped up, crime loving, low intelligence, gang bangers in my nieghborhood.

2008-04-03 16:24:53

#12

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7192|Cambridge (UK)

Funny how other countries immigrant populations don't cause half as much trouble.

2008-04-03 16:25:50

#13

jord: Member; +2,382|7105|The North, beyond the wall.

Yeah... Erm... No.

I live on an Island. My wall is miles and miles of sea. It doesn't stop someone set on entering your country... You'd have to make the wall 50 feet underground, 100 feet above ground and 10 feet thick. Then you might see a reduction in illegals, not a complete stop.

2008-04-03 16:27:25

#14

GunSlinger OIF II: Banned.; +1,860|7070

I know too many fuckers that commit serious crimes, end up going to jail and then get released a few months later. then getting caught again for something else, and getting released again a few months later. just keep em in jail. let them kill each other in there where normal society isnt threatened.

2008-04-03 16:27:47

#15

IRONCHEF: Member; +385|6917|Northern California

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Funny how other countries immigrant populations don't cause half as much trouble.

And how do you know what other country's tolerance is of neighboring country's immigrants is? Oh that's right, you couldn't POSSIBLY know such a thing unless you lived in those countries, read their press paying attention to articles regarding immigration. For a start, try checking out the western neighboring countries of Sudan.

2008-04-03 16:28:17

#16

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Funny how other countries immigrant populations don't cause half as much trouble.

I seriously hope you were being sarcastic.

2008-04-03 16:31:15

#17

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

IRONCHEF wrote:
So far, the only real thing that is working is to fine employers hiring illegals..in Arizona.

Pretty much.. this is the one thing most politicians won't touch. We need to do this above all else.

2008-04-03 16:33:36

#18

RoosterCantrell: Goodbye :); +399|6906|Somewhere else

IRONCHEF wrote:
So far, the only real thing that is working is to fine employers hiring illegals..in Arizona. This has sent them red-ass Mexican greesers back into Mexico and it's pissing off their president (yes, they have an illegal alien problem..their own people returning from the parking lots of America!). What's funny is the Mexican president is blaming the US on their influx of immigrants like we owe them an explanation or help taking care of them...their financial situation worsens too!

Imagine if we added the costs of their 12 million countrymen/women to their trade costs..or sent them a bill directly for educating, hospitalizing, feeding, and housing them.

As for the criminal element..they're just a byproduct of the 12 million + illegals flowing freely into our country. I like the land mine/sniper/pits of molten lava/sharks with laserbeams solution the best...no warning shots, leave the bodies in the desert as examples to others. THe flow would STOP.

The Fining is a great fucking idea, and a no brainer really.

2008-04-03 16:39:01

#19

Vilham: Say wat!?; +580|7193|UK

Moat!

2008-04-03 16:40:36

#20

GorillaKing798: Too legit to quit; +48|6541|Tampa, Florida

Turquoise wrote:
*shrugs* We could just issue a federal order saying feds and police have the right to shoot and kill all MS-13 members on sight. It wouldn't end the problem, but it would certainly scare the shit out of them. If INS was authorized to defend the border with an all-encompassing lethal force, half of the thugs wouldn't even make it into the U.S.

Note also that a minefield stretching across the Mexican border would be cheaper and more effective than a wall.

How true is that, we continue to try and be ethical and it produces no results. When we do find an illegal immigrant, we put them on a bus *sarcasm* hand them a bag lunch /sarcasm and see them on their way so they can try again later. Unethical solutions are sometimes the most practical and effective to ending our issues. However would the minefield idea hold up when gang members start using women and children to be scouts and what not?

2008-04-03 16:42:55

#21

jord: Member; +2,382|7105|The North, beyond the wall.

Like I said which most of you ignored. You can't stop it. You can discourage it is all.

2008-04-03 16:44:35

#22

Scorpion0x17: can detect anyone's visible post count...; +691|7192|Cambridge (UK)

Turquoise wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Funny how other countries immigrant populations don't cause half as much trouble.
I seriously hope you were being sarcastic.

Nope.

IRONCHEF wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Funny how other countries immigrant populations don't cause half as much trouble.
And how do you know what other country's tolerance is of neighboring country's immigrants is? Oh that's right, you couldn't POSSIBLY know such a thing unless you lived in those countries, read their press paying attention to articles regarding immigration. For a start, try checking out the western neighboring countries of Sudan.

Well, I was talking about the country I do know something about, from living here.

2008-04-03 16:45:04

#23

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

GorillaKing798 wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
*shrugs* We could just issue a federal order saying feds and police have the right to shoot and kill all MS-13 members on sight. It wouldn't end the problem, but it would certainly scare the shit out of them. If INS was authorized to defend the border with an all-encompassing lethal force, half of the thugs wouldn't even make it into the U.S.

Note also that a minefield stretching across the Mexican border would be cheaper and more effective than a wall.
How true is that, we continue to try and be ethical and it produces no results. When we do find an illegal immigrant, we put them on a bus *sarcasm* hand them a bag lunch /sarcasm and see them on their way so they can try again later. Unethical solutions are sometimes the most practical and effective to ending our issues. However would the minefield idea hold up when gang members start using women and children to be scouts and what not?

Well, that depends on how much brutality we can stomach. Sometimes it becomes a matter of brutality vs. brutality... kill or be killed. Since most people don't like to admit that, I'm pretty sure the minefield thing wouldn't happen. I mentioned it in a half-jesting way.

2008-04-03 16:46:43

#24

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6832|North Carolina

Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Funny how other countries immigrant populations don't cause half as much trouble.
I seriously hope you were being sarcastic.
Nope.
IRONCHEF wrote:
Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Funny how other countries immigrant populations don't cause half as much trouble.
And how do you know what other country's tolerance is of neighboring country's immigrants is? Oh that's right, you couldn't POSSIBLY know such a thing unless you lived in those countries, read their press paying attention to articles regarding immigration. For a start, try checking out the western neighboring countries of Sudan.
Well, I was talking about the country I do know something about, from living here.

I'd say that Green Lane Mosque is a can of worms in and of itself. As Wahhabism grows in your country, you may feel differently later.

2008-04-03 16:50:33

#25

IRONCHEF: Member; +385|6917|Northern California

The problem with vigilantes on the border (what is that group called, "minutemen?") or minefields or walls...is the friggen peta goobs (peta, but for humans) who go out there with water and food to feed the poor, starving, famished human traffickers..and get stabbed after providing water. If they get shot or blown up by a mine...then it gets worse. They should get aiding and abetting terrorists and thrown in Mexican prison.

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