BF2S Forums Man threatened to re-enact Virginia Tech-style killings

Stingray24 wrote:

Question 1: Why did he get bail?

Edit: Is the judge a moron?  *throws hands up*

The Eighth Amendment wrote:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

His crime was not serious enough to warrant remand.

Stingray24 wrote:

Would it not be wise to impose a bail large enough to hold him while his threats are investigated?

Why not do that for every criminal?  Oh wait...that's the entire purpose of the 8th amendment.

Excessive bail is unconstitutional.  Since he did not actually hurt anyone, his alleged crime is not all that serious.  Innocent until proven guilty, right?

Stingray24 wrote:

Threatening people's lives isn't serious?  I hope he really did just have a bad day and likes to collect guns.

Uh huh. 
Did anyone get hurt?  No. 
Are there plans to hurt people?  No. 
Does it look like he said something he shouldn't have after getting screwed out of a lot of money and no one cared?  Yes. 

Where is the 'serious' crime here?  People say this kind of shit everyday.  They just don't make the news.

Spider1980 wrote:

If I had 20 barrels of gun powder and I threatend to blow up a building, wouldn't that be a problem? Gun power isn't illegal..

I don't see a problem. 

If you actually tried to blow up a building, then yes, I would see a problem.

This kid did not even make any moves towards a shooting spree.  He was pissed off and said something stupid.  He will pay for the crime he allegedly committed, which was 'making written threats to kill or do bodily injury via the computer'.  Then the feds will check to make sure his guns are legal.  There really isn't much else they can do.

Spider1980 wrote:

Spider1980 wrote:

If I had 20 barrels of gun powder and "I threatened to blow up a building", wouldn't that be a problem? Gun power isn't illegal..

SenorToenails wrote:

I don't see a problem. 

If you actually tried to blow up a building, then yes, I would see a problem.

So if I did blow up a building and a bunch of people died, wouldn't it have been wise to react to the threatening warning I gave or wait until the damage is already done before taking action?

Yes.  But hindsight is always 20/20.  Take note that I never once said that investigation is out of line.  If someone makes a claim like "I will blow up a building" while obviously agitated and a short investigation reveals that they had no intent to do so, then I see no problem.  The fact that they might happen to legally possess a large amount of gun powder is inconsequential.

Spider1980 wrote:

Same this as if you threaten a airplane with a bomb, make a call or a threat in a letter, you don't think serous action should be taken towards that person unless he actually killed some people first? What if you got back to that persons house who made the threat and he has a pair of shoes rigged with explosives or a AA rocket.

I never once objected to an investigation.  If someone says "I will blow up a plane" and investigation shows a shoe bomb with plane tickets, well, that's a plan to actually do harm.  Not merely an agitated statement.

And I don't think this kid's statement should go ignored.  He should be punished, but for the appropriate crime as determined by a jury of his peers.  I also do not believe that his charges are great enough to hold him without bail, which is where I started arguing in this forum.  The accused have rights too, ya know.

Spider1980 wrote:

Doesn't matter if the LAW says its legal or illegal, it's what the person can do or intends to do with it.

What you can do with something?  Come on.  That's absurd.

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Threatening to kill people on the internet? Look around the forum haha..

Seriously though he technically didn't do anything illegal, makeing threats on the internet could have just been a vent and now he's getting arrested for basically a thought crime?

Yeah, should David P be arrested for the same thing?

SenorToenails wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Threatening people's lives isn't serious?  I hope he really did just have a bad day and likes to collect guns.

Uh huh. 
Did anyone get hurt?  No. 
Are there plans to hurt people?  No. 
Does it look like he said something he shouldn't have after getting screwed out of a lot of money and no one cared?  Yes. 

Where is the 'serious' crime here?  People say this kind of shit everyday.  They just don't make the news.

QFT