lolM.O.A.B wrote:
I'm more concerned about the plight of TV, the number of really bad programs is kind of insane.
But being serious. When will the Muslims start caring about the plight of the non Muslims which live in well off muslim nations? And when will the Well off muslims start caring about their Muslim brothers in not so rich nations?usmarine wrote:
lolM.O.A.B wrote:
I'm more concerned about the plight of TV, the number of really bad programs is kind of insane.
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good question Dav, when Islam won't be a proselytist religion anymore I guess... which isn't gonna happen.David.P wrote:
But being serious. When will the Muslims start caring about the plight of the non Muslims which live in well off muslim nations? And when will the Well off muslims start caring about their Muslim brothers in not so rich nations?usmarine wrote:
lolM.O.A.B wrote:
I'm more concerned about the plight of TV, the number of really bad programs is kind of insane.
PS: Brits ftw. I care more about MTV's shitty program than Islam and muslims. Why shouldn't I anyway? gimme a good reason.
Welcome to England, enjoy your stay. Speaking of which, welcome to The West.usmarine wrote:
"Islam lambasted the British public, saying they deserved to suffer because they cared more about sports and television soap operas than the plight of Muslims."
Credit to our secret services. The amount of plots that they foil is fantastic. Then, as soon as one doesnt get foiled, they get criticised to fuck.
They do a damn fine job.Snake wrote:
Credit to our secret services. The amount of plots that they foil is fantastic. Then, as soon as one doesnt get foiled, they get criticised to fuck.
That's common amongst those types of services. They have to be right 100% of the time. Terrorists only have to be right once. Then the people who have been working their asses off and putting their lives on the line to protect the very people who scream for heads to roll lose their jobs.Snake wrote:
Welcome to England, enjoy your stay. Speaking of which, welcome to The West.usmarine wrote:
"Islam lambasted the British public, saying they deserved to suffer because they cared more about sports and television soap operas than the plight of Muslims."
Credit to our secret services. The amount of plots that they foil is fantastic. Then, as soon as one doesnt get foiled, they get criticised to fuck.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
You pay an awful lot of attention to idiots who really don't deserve the time of day. There's a reason this kind of news doesn't make the six o'clock headlines... it's insignificant nonsense.usmarine wrote:
"Islam lambasted the British public, saying they deserved to suffer because they cared more about sports and television soap operas than the plight of Muslims."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080404/ap_ … liner_plot
Please guys, care more about the plight of mooslims mkay?
They do, in my opinion they are the only effective tool in the battle against terrorism. You can't fight extremism and terrorism with open warfare. Covert and intelligent policing and infiltration is much more effective and causes much less collateral damage (give or take the odd Brazilian plumber). There would be no love lost between Irish Nationalists and the British secret service but I sure prefer their methods compared with the Israeli collective punishment technique.Bertster7 wrote:
They do a damn fine job.Snake wrote:
Credit to our secret services. The amount of plots that they foil is fantastic. Then, as soon as one doesnt get foiled, they get criticised to fuck.
I guess so brad, since they only plotted to blow up multiple airplanes, how insignificant.Braddock wrote:
You pay an awful lot of attention to idiots who really don't deserve the time of day. There's a reason this kind of news doesn't make the six o'clock headlines... it's insignificant nonsense.
That shit happens all the time, let the secret services deal with it... forget about it. Crack open a beer and watch American Idol.usmarine wrote:
I guess so brad, since they only plotted to blow up multiple airplanes, how insignificant.Braddock wrote:
You pay an awful lot of attention to idiots who really don't deserve the time of day. There's a reason this kind of news doesn't make the six o'clock headlines... it's insignificant nonsense.
oh okBraddock wrote:
That shit happens all the time, let the secret services deal with it... forget about it.
Relying solely on intelligence gathering to stop potential attacks is not the way to go, prime example is all the countries that suffered terror attacks. They weren't discovered until it was too late. Even if you do foil it domestically, the mastermind behind it could just revamp his idea. You keep him on the run, taking down his supporters the old fashioned way he's got less time to put effort into new co-ordinated attacks.Braddock wrote:
They do, in my opinion they are the only effective tool in the battle against terrorism. You can't fight extremism and terrorism with open warfare. Covert and intelligent policing and infiltration is much more effective and causes much less collateral damage (give or take the odd Brazilian plumber). There would be no love lost between Irish Nationalists and the British secret service but I sure prefer their methods compared with the Israeli collective punishment technique.Bertster7 wrote:
They do a damn fine job.Snake wrote:
Credit to our secret services. The amount of plots that they foil is fantastic. Then, as soon as one doesnt get foiled, they get criticised to fuck.
Well invading sovereign nations only serves to inspire more people to join the fight against you, use up a lot of money, costs several lives (4000 and counting so far in Iraq) and garner condemnation on the International stage. And btw the Madrid bombings happened WHILE Spanish troops were in Iraq, so it clearly didn't work for them... what do you propose instead?M.O.A.B wrote:
Relying solely on intelligence gathering to stop potential attacks is not the way to go, prime example is all the countries that suffered terror attacks. They weren't discovered until it was too late. Even if you do foil it domestically, the mastermind behind it could just revamp his idea. You keep him on the run, taking down his supporters the old fashioned way he's got less time to put effort into new co-ordinated attacks.Braddock wrote:
They do, in my opinion they are the only effective tool in the battle against terrorism. You can't fight extremism and terrorism with open warfare. Covert and intelligent policing and infiltration is much more effective and causes much less collateral damage (give or take the odd Brazilian plumber). There would be no love lost between Irish Nationalists and the British secret service but I sure prefer their methods compared with the Israeli collective punishment technique.Bertster7 wrote:
They do a damn fine job.
Extermination of terrorists and sympathisers abroad. Severe punishment and questioning up to torture for captured terrorists.Braddock wrote:
Well invading sovereign nations only serves to inspire more people to join the fight against you, use up a lot of money, costs several lives (4000 and counting sop far in Iraq) and garner condemnation on the International stage. And btw the Madrid bombings happened WHILE Spanish troops were in Iraq, so it clearly didn't work for them... what do you propose instead?M.O.A.B wrote:
Relying solely on intelligence gathering to stop potential attacks is not the way to go, prime example is all the countries that suffered terror attacks. They weren't discovered until it was too late. Even if you do foil it domestically, the mastermind behind it could just revamp his idea. You keep him on the run, taking down his supporters the old fashioned way he's got less time to put effort into new co-ordinated attacks.Braddock wrote:
They do, in my opinion they are the only effective tool in the battle against terrorism. You can't fight extremism and terrorism with open warfare. Covert and intelligent policing and infiltration is much more effective and causes much less collateral damage (give or take the odd Brazilian plumber). There would be no love lost between Irish Nationalists and the British secret service but I sure prefer their methods compared with the Israeli collective punishment technique.
I propose a mix of ass whupping and domestic securityBraddock wrote:
Well invading sovereign nations only serves to inspire more people to join the fight against you, use up a lot of money, costs several lives (4000 and counting so far in Iraq) and garner condemnation on the International stage. And btw the Madrid bombings happened WHILE Spanish troops were in Iraq, so it clearly didn't work for them... what do you propose instead?M.O.A.B wrote:
Relying solely on intelligence gathering to stop potential attacks is not the way to go, prime example is all the countries that suffered terror attacks. They weren't discovered until it was too late. Even if you do foil it domestically, the mastermind behind it could just revamp his idea. You keep him on the run, taking down his supporters the old fashioned way he's got less time to put effort into new co-ordinated attacks.Braddock wrote:
They do, in my opinion they are the only effective tool in the battle against terrorism. You can't fight extremism and terrorism with open warfare. Covert and intelligent policing and infiltration is much more effective and causes much less collateral damage (give or take the odd Brazilian plumber). There would be no love lost between Irish Nationalists and the British secret service but I sure prefer their methods compared with the Israeli collective punishment technique.
How exactly are you going to go about 'exterminating' these terrorists and sympathisers abroad? Explain the logistics of such a plan. What happens if the people you take in for questioning, torture and sever punishment turn out to be innocent?jord wrote:
Extermination of terrorists and sympathisers abroad. Severe punishment and questioning up to torture for captured terrorists.Braddock wrote:
Well invading sovereign nations only serves to inspire more people to join the fight against you, use up a lot of money, costs several lives (4000 and counting sop far in Iraq) and garner condemnation on the International stage. And btw the Madrid bombings happened WHILE Spanish troops were in Iraq, so it clearly didn't work for them... what do you propose instead?M.O.A.B wrote:
Relying solely on intelligence gathering to stop potential attacks is not the way to go, prime example is all the countries that suffered terror attacks. They weren't discovered until it was too late. Even if you do foil it domestically, the mastermind behind it could just revamp his idea. You keep him on the run, taking down his supporters the old fashioned way he's got less time to put effort into new co-ordinated attacks.
The torture is more about convicted terrorists that are without a doubt terrorists and a threat to my countries well-being. IE Osama bin Laden and co. This will act as a deterrent and get some useful info at the same time.Braddock wrote:
How exactly are you going to go about 'exterminating' these terrorists and sympathisers abroad? Explain the logistics of such a plan. What happens if the people you take in for questioning, torture and sever punishment turn out to be innocent?jord wrote:
Extermination of terrorists and sympathisers abroad. Severe punishment and questioning up to torture for captured terrorists.Braddock wrote:
Well invading sovereign nations only serves to inspire more people to join the fight against you, use up a lot of money, costs several lives (4000 and counting sop far in Iraq) and garner condemnation on the International stage. And btw the Madrid bombings happened WHILE Spanish troops were in Iraq, so it clearly didn't work for them... what do you propose instead?
Abroad as in Iraq/Afghanistan. Bulking up on forces there. Instead or raiding training camps and making arrests, carpet bomb them. Preferably with some sort of Napalm.
Well yeah, I would suggest working closely with ally nation's intel agencies and beefing up domestic security. I really don't see the value in toppling regimes and creating instability in the Middle East.M.O.A.B wrote:
I propose a mix of ass whupping and domestic securityBraddock wrote:
Well invading sovereign nations only serves to inspire more people to join the fight against you, use up a lot of money, costs several lives (4000 and counting so far in Iraq) and garner condemnation on the International stage. And btw the Madrid bombings happened WHILE Spanish troops were in Iraq, so it clearly didn't work for them... what do you propose instead?M.O.A.B wrote:
Relying solely on intelligence gathering to stop potential attacks is not the way to go, prime example is all the countries that suffered terror attacks. They weren't discovered until it was too late. Even if you do foil it domestically, the mastermind behind it could just revamp his idea. You keep him on the run, taking down his supporters the old fashioned way he's got less time to put effort into new co-ordinated attacks.
In a sense the only area of the ME that has suffered any real instability is Iraq, Afghanistan is more or less what it always was, less in most regions. But stability in Iraq was improving. In toppling these regimes, the Taliban, Saddam and the Baathists we're essentially destroying the power bases for these groups to effectively operate from.Braddock wrote:
Well yeah, I would suggest working closely with ally nation's intel agencies and beefing up domestic security. I really don't see the value in toppling regimes and creating instability in the Middle East.M.O.A.B wrote:
I propose a mix of ass whupping and domestic securityBraddock wrote:
Well invading sovereign nations only serves to inspire more people to join the fight against you, use up a lot of money, costs several lives (4000 and counting so far in Iraq) and garner condemnation on the International stage. And btw the Madrid bombings happened WHILE Spanish troops were in Iraq, so it clearly didn't work for them... what do you propose instead?
well that seems to be true imhousmarine wrote:
"they cared more about sports and television soap operas than the plight of humanity."
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FA Cup was crap today