That's how I feel as well, but I'm trying to figure out FEOS's logic here.Braddock wrote:
No it's not okay, they should use any existing quiet rooms if they feel the need to pray.Turquoise wrote:
So, funding prayer rooms is ok with tax money despite the fact that 10% of the population is nonreligious?
"CameronPoe wrote:
And that affects us how exactly?lowing wrote:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/01/news/UN-GEN-UN-Free-Speech.php
Nothing more I can say here.
Well, what is happening is the Arab/ Islamic states have actually voted 32-0 for this "The statement proposed by Egypt and Pakistan, which passed 32-0 last week at the council, seeks to imposerestrictions on individuals rather than to emphasize the duty and responsibility of governments to guarantee, uphold, promote and protect human rights."
This was a 32-0 vote for this resolution all who vote were Arab?Islamic countries. The EU countries obstained from voting, ( how many guesses do you need to figure out why?)
They actually voted to impose restrictions on individuals and not to guarantee that nations would uphold human rights, just to restrict anyone from bad mouthing Islam....
Cam if you do not have a problem with this then you are helpless.
Never advocated any such thing, you are doing fine, just keep denying yourself into a corner.Braddock wrote:
You've won me over lowing. Let's go and wipe them all out and be done with it... OK?lowing wrote:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/01/news/UN-GEN-UN-Free-Speech.php
Nothing more I can say here.
muslims cannot will not can never take over the west k. That's my last say on these "muslims are bad" topics.
inane little opines
Exactly.dayarath wrote:
muslims cannot will not can never take over the west k. That's my last say on these "muslims are bad" topics.
What am I denying lowing? I live in Ireland where we have free speech, separation of Church and State, no Islamic terrorist activity and a Muslim community that I've only ever had positive experiences of (they even have the name of the local Mosque written in Gaelic on it... integration ftw)... what am I denying?lowing wrote:
Never advocated any such thing, you are doing fine, just keep denying yourself into a corner.Braddock wrote:
You've won me over lowing. Let's go and wipe them all out and be done with it... OK?lowing wrote:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/01/news/UN-GEN-UN-Free-Speech.php
Nothing more I can say here.
And that affects us how exactly?lowing wrote:
"CameronPoe wrote:
And that affects us how exactly?lowing wrote:
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/04/01/news/UN-GEN-UN-Free-Speech.php
Nothing more I can say here.
Well, what is happening is the Arab/ Islamic states have actually voted 32-0 for this "The statement proposed by Egypt and Pakistan, which passed 32-0 last week at the council, seeks to imposerestrictions on individuals rather than to emphasize the duty and responsibility of governments to guarantee, uphold, promote and protect human rights."
This was a 32-0 vote for this resolution all who vote were Arab?Islamic countries. The EU countries obstained from voting, ( how many guesses do you need to figure out why?)
They actually voted to impose restrictions on individuals and not to guarantee that nations would uphold human rights, just to restrict anyone from bad mouthing Islam....
Cam if you do not have a problem with this then you are helpless.
Ummmmmmmm, the Arab/Islamic countries of the UN just passed a resolution 32-0 to block freedom of expression...Incedently it passed 32-0 because all of the European countries did not vote because they were too chicken shit of being recognized as anti-Islam( and we all now why they are chicken shit don't we)CameronPoe wrote:
And that affects us how exactly?lowing wrote:
"CameronPoe wrote:
And that affects us how exactly?
Well, what is happening is the Arab/ Islamic states have actually voted 32-0 for this "The statement proposed by Egypt and Pakistan, which passed 32-0 last week at the council, seeks to imposerestrictions on individuals rather than to emphasize the duty and responsibility of governments to guarantee, uphold, promote and protect human rights."
This was a 32-0 vote for this resolution all who vote were Arab?Islamic countries. The EU countries obstained from voting, ( how many guesses do you need to figure out why?)
They actually voted to impose restrictions on individuals and not to guarantee that nations would uphold human rights, just to restrict anyone from bad mouthing Islam....
Cam if you do not have a problem with this then you are helpless.
and Cam, this affects you and me about as much as Israel and Palestine affects you and me, so basically if all you want to discuss is shit that affects you personally we can do so.
This is an attack by 100% of the Arab/Islamic countries in the UN ( oops the majority I am guessing) to curtail free speach and expression. All of this coming from your beloved tolerant Islamic nations. It is indefensable, no wonder you say "so what". Because you can not maintain your argument about these countries and their religion and defend this action.
Great, unfortunately, everything I have posted does not necessarily have anything to do with your neighborhood. I am speaking along the lines of globally, and the OP is yet another brick in the wall, that all of you are denying exists.Braddock wrote:
What am I denying lowing? I live in Ireland where we have free speech, separation of Church and State, no Islamic terrorist activity and a Muslim community that I've only ever had positive experiences of (they even have the name of the local Mosque written in Gaelic on it... integration ftw)... what am I denying?lowing wrote:
Never advocated any such thing, you are doing fine, just keep denying yourself into a corner.Braddock wrote:
You've won me over lowing. Let's go and wipe them all out and be done with it... OK?
Didn't B. Schuss say he had no problem with Islam in his country either (the country in question in the OP)?lowing wrote:
Great, unfortunately, everything I have posted does not necessarily have anything to do with your neighborhood. I am speaking along the lines of globally, and the OP is yet another brick in the wall, that all of you are denying exists.Braddock wrote:
What am I denying lowing? I live in Ireland where we have free speech, separation of Church and State, no Islamic terrorist activity and a Muslim community that I've only ever had positive experiences of (they even have the name of the local Mosque written in Gaelic on it... integration ftw)... what am I denying?lowing wrote:
Never advocated any such thing, you are doing fine, just keep denying yourself into a corner.
What's the difference? Hygenically, the full-cover one is probably better.
Anyway, if you are bothered by it, what are YOU doing to help get your way? Posting on an internet message board?
EE (hats
Bullshit lowing, just BULL SHIT.
How the hell is allowing someone to practice their religion freely, appeasing the terrorists?
In fact it's the opposite to appeasement - if the terrorists are saying "everyone should be a muslim" - we are saying "everyone should have the freedom to practice whatever religion they wish".
How the hell is allowing someone to practice their religion freely, appeasing the terrorists?
In fact it's the opposite to appeasement - if the terrorists are saying "everyone should be a muslim" - we are saying "everyone should have the freedom to practice whatever religion they wish".
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it's 1938 all over again...only Germany....wait...
Also, lowing, terrorists are like celebrities - they don't give a flying fuck what you say about them, just as long as it is about them - so, by posting all these threads you are the one who is giving the terrorists what they desire.
yup he did, does he all of a sudden speak for all of Europe or even Germany? Are you the speaker for Ireland. If you read you will notice there are plenty of people in Europe that do view Islam as a threat to your continent. Hence all of the controversy. Or did you think I started all of it? Just because you PERSONALLY do not see it or care, does not dismiss it for others.Braddock wrote:
Didn't B. Schuss say he had no problem with Islam in his country either (the country in question in the OP)?lowing wrote:
Great, unfortunately, everything I have posted does not necessarily have anything to do with your neighborhood. I am speaking along the lines of globally, and the OP is yet another brick in the wall, that all of you are denying exists.Braddock wrote:
What am I denying lowing? I live in Ireland where we have free speech, separation of Church and State, no Islamic terrorist activity and a Muslim community that I've only ever had positive experiences of (they even have the name of the local Mosque written in Gaelic on it... integration ftw)... what am I denying?
I am betting B.Schuss couldn't care less about gay marriage, but that does not make it controversial for others. Watcha think?
Actually, what is BULLSHIT is you posting saying I insinuated that "allowing someone to practice their religion freely, appeasing the terrorists".Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Bullshit lowing, just BULL SHIT.
How the hell is allowing someone to practice their religion freely, appeasing the terrorists?
In fact it's the opposite to appeasement - if the terrorists are saying "everyone should be a muslim" - we are saying "everyone should have the freedom to practice whatever religion they wish".
I defy you to post where I said that.
I also think it is funny that you mention "terrorists". IN FACT I think, YOU are the first person in this thread to make the connection or mention terrorism and religion in the same sentence. Imagine that. Which religion did you have in mind by the way?
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lol, yeah okScorpion0x17 wrote:
Also, lowing, terrorists are like celebrities - they don't give a flying fuck what you say about them, just as long as it is about them - so, by posting all these threads you are the one who is giving the terrorists what they desire.
On the appeasement thing:
And Scorpion is right on terrorists - they don't care what kind of media attention they get. As long as they get it that's job 100% done. That's why they publicly behead people and post the goddamn movie for all to see. - because they know it'll kick up a massive shitstorm in the media.
First line of your OP. Using the word 'appeasement' insinuates that they are somehow the enemy.So now it seems there is "religious neutrality" for everyone EXCEPT Islam, for them there is appeasement
And Scorpion is right on terrorists - they don't care what kind of media attention they get. As long as they get it that's job 100% done. That's why they publicly behead people and post the goddamn movie for all to see. - because they know it'll kick up a massive shitstorm in the media.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Never mentioned anything about the Nazis or genocide, or rounding up anyone for internment. So the fact that you compare the 2 issues pretty much means you have no defense that can stay on the issues raised or what is actually posted. I am used to it though so no problem.The_Mac wrote:
it's 1938 all over again...only Germany....wait...
you two are the only ones that mentioned terrorists or make the connection to Islam and terrorism. No one else. Something to think aboutSpark wrote:
On the appeasement thing:First line of your OP. Using the word 'appeasement' insinuates that they are somehow the enemy.So now it seems there is "religious neutrality" for everyone EXCEPT Islam, for them there is appeasement
And Scorpion is right on terrorists - they don't care what kind of media attention they get. As long as they get it that's job 100% done. That's why they publicly behead people and post the goddamn movie for all to see. - because they know it'll kick up a massive shitstorm in the media.
I am the spokesperson for my own particular take on the world, a world that apparently has a large Muslim wall being built in it that I'm denying exists.lowing wrote:
yup he did, does he all of a sudden speak for all of Europe or even Germany? Are you the speaker for Ireland. If you read you will notice there are plenty of people in Europe that do view Islam as a threat to your continent. Hence all of the controversy. Or did you think I started all of it? Just because you PERSONALLY do not see it or care, does not dismiss it for others.Braddock wrote:
Didn't B. Schuss say he had no problem with Islam in his country either (the country in question in the OP)?lowing wrote:
Great, unfortunately, everything I have posted does not necessarily have anything to do with your neighborhood. I am speaking along the lines of globally, and the OP is yet another brick in the wall, that all of you are denying exists.
I am betting B.Schuss couldn't care less about gay marriage, but that does not make it controversial for others. Watcha think?
You do realise that we all know Islamic terrorists exist? We just don't view every Muslim as an extremist who wants to take over our world.lowing wrote:
you two are the only ones that mentioned terrorists or make the connection to Islam and terrorism. No one else. Something to think aboutSpark wrote:
On the appeasement thing:First line of your OP. Using the word 'appeasement' insinuates that they are somehow the enemy.So now it seems there is "religious neutrality" for everyone EXCEPT Islam, for them there is appeasement
And Scorpion is right on terrorists - they don't care what kind of media attention they get. As long as they get it that's job 100% done. That's why they publicly behead people and post the goddamn movie for all to see. - because they know it'll kick up a massive shitstorm in the media.
.............and where did I post that every Muslim is an extremist that wants to take over the world.Braddock wrote:
You do realise that we all know Islamic terrorists exist? We just don't view every Muslim as an extremist who wants to take over our world.lowing wrote:
you two are the only ones that mentioned terrorists or make the connection to Islam and terrorism. No one else. Something to think aboutSpark wrote:
On the appeasement thing:
First line of your OP. Using the word 'appeasement' insinuates that they are somehow the enemy.
And Scorpion is right on terrorists - they don't care what kind of media attention they get. As long as they get it that's job 100% done. That's why they publicly behead people and post the goddamn movie for all to see. - because they know it'll kick up a massive shitstorm in the media.
If there is any chance you could argue against what I actually say, I would greatly appreciate it.
Also while you are at it, please tell me your take on what I posted about ALL of the Arab/Islamic nations in the UN unanimously voted to police all news media and individuals that speak out against Islam, while the EU nations refused to vote on this resolution.
Do you not think that if these Islamic/Arab nations would spend as much time, zeal and energy fixing the problems within their religion as they do trying to stiffle people from exposing it, they would get much more support from outsiders?
I define those sections of the Islamic world that wish to see us all adopting the Islam faith and laws as terrorists.lowing wrote:
Actually, what is BULLSHIT is you posting saying I insinuated that "allowing someone to practice their religion freely, appeasing the terrorists".Scorpion0x17 wrote:
Bullshit lowing, just BULL SHIT.
How the hell is allowing someone to practice their religion freely, appeasing the terrorists?
In fact it's the opposite to appeasement - if the terrorists are saying "everyone should be a muslim" - we are saying "everyone should have the freedom to practice whatever religion they wish".
I defy you to post where I said that.
I also think it is funny that you mention "terrorists". IN FACT I think, YOU are the first person in this thread to make the connection or mention terrorism and religion in the same sentence. Imagine that. Which religion did you have in mind by the way?
And, if you're not talking about those people, then what the fuck are you talking about?
Oh, and I'm talking about all religions.
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Curtail free speech and expression .... in Islamic countries. Phew. I thought for a second that one of your irrational fears was going to have an impact on my life or on global politics.... /wipes sweat from browlowing wrote:
This is an attack by 100% of the Arab/Islamic countries in the UN ( oops the majority I am guessing) to curtail free speach and expression. All of this coming from your beloved tolerant Islamic nations. It is indefensable, no wonder you say "so what". Because you can not maintain your argument about these countries and their religion and defend this action.