Who else wants a National ID (USA)?

2008-04-06 00:08:07

#51

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7027|132 and Bush

Turquoise wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Most people currently have the option to give up their possessions. Capiche? You are [insisting] that that option is removed.
You're going to have to explain that one a little further. All I was saying is that most thieves demand cash. The few willing and able to do something like identity theft are not usually the thuggish violent types.

You speak of the current situation. I'm saying you enhance the need to commit a violent act in order to achieve the goal of theft when the desire is to obtain biometric information. I've got a problem with making the human body a tool.

Turquoise wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
lol.. I'm guessing your not very technologically inclined. There is always a way.
Well yeah... anything's possible. But your argument against a National ID earlier in this thread was based on the difficulty of getting enough info to forge multiple forms of identification. With a biometric ID, this becomes even more difficult, because the card would have information on it that is very difficult to forge like fingerprints, retinas, or facial algorithms.

True, but the trade off isn't worth it. http://gizmodo.com/373829/german-hacker … metric-ids

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2008-04-06 00:37:33

#52

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6831|North Carolina

Well... I guess the question I have left is... how are we going to heighten our security in times like these without a more advanced means of identification?...

2008-04-06 04:15:10

#53

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7077|USA

Turquoise wrote:
Well... I guess the question I have left is... how are we going to heighten our security in times like these without a more advanced means of identification?...

I got a great idea!, Why don't we actually punish our criminals harsh enough to make criminal behavior not worth the risk, and the seond some ACLU lawyer starts screaming about a prisoners rights, he gets tossed in with him.

2008-04-06 06:12:53

#54

HurricaИe: Banned; +877|6387|Washington DC

Guys... if you get killed by some mugger, I don't think ID theft will be much of a concern to you.

"What's this? Jackson, get over here!"
"What is it Thurston?"
"This man here died 4 weeks ago... yet he just bought some $1000 item from Best Buy"
"By god Thurston... the dead are now among the living"

2008-04-06 08:42:40

#55

lowing: Banned; +1,662|7077|USA

Turquoise wrote:
lowing wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
I'm not saying it wouldn't happen. I'm saying it would happen far less than you're assuming.
I said I am not saying that this would be an epidemic already. I do believe this will add another "MO" to the crime of murder
Sure, again... I agree. I still don't see why this is a valid argument against biometric IDs.

Because I would rather have my personal information locked up in a safe or a safety deposit box, rather than my arm.

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2008-04-06 09:56:10

#56

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6831|North Carolina

lowing wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
Well... I guess the question I have left is... how are we going to heighten our security in times like these without a more advanced means of identification?...
I got a great idea!, Why don't we actually punish our criminals harsh enough to make criminal behavior not worth the risk, and the seond some ACLU lawyer starts screaming about a prisoners rights, he gets tossed in with him.

Yeah, that way, whenever someone steals something, they're willing to kill multiple people just to avoid getting caught, since the death penalty might be on the table.... /facepalm

2008-04-08 05:30:59

#57

fadedsteve: GOP Sympathizer; +266|6916|Menlo Park, CA

There is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION to issue "National ID cards" . . . . NONE!

We have passports, we have drivers licenses, we DONT need all our personal info divulged onto a "national id"! That is such an invasion of privacy it makes me want to spit!

I dont want our government to know all about me on a single card! I dont want my rap sheet, blood type, birth certificate etc. on one government issued card! Are you fucking kidding me? They might as well tatoo bar codes behind our necks and scan us wherever we go! I will NEVER vote for such an idea to be brought to fruition NEVER!

2008-04-08 07:34:46

#58

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7267|Cologne, Germany

I have never understood why there is no federal system of ID in the US. I mean, you have passports, but those are only mandatory for those who wish to travel abroad, aren't they ?

I mean, do you seriously have to carry around your SS card, birth certificate and driver's license, just in case the fed's want an ID ?

I have learned from CSI that driver's licenses are most commonly used to identity yourself, btu are you telling me that there is no federal document for that ( apart from the passport ) ?

2008-04-08 07:43:07

#59

Locoloki: I got Mug 222 at Gritty's!!!!; +216|7066|Your moms bedroom

http://www.dailypaul.com/node/44458

This is an article saying drivers licenses are as good as national id's

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2008-04-08 11:54:22

#60

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6556|North Tonawanda, NY

B.Schuss wrote:
I have never understood why there is no federal system of ID in the US. I mean, you have passports, but those are only mandatory for those who wish to travel abroad, aren't they ?

I mean, do you seriously have to carry around your SS card, birth certificate and driver's license, just in case the fed's want an ID ?

I have learned from CSI that driver's licenses are most commonly used to identity yourself, btu are you telling me that there is no federal document for that ( apart from the passport ) ?

States grant the right to drive, so they issue the licenses. The feds issue passports. I don't see a need for the feds to issue a separate ID card.

And no, I do not carry my SS card or birth certificate. Both of those were required for me to get my driver's license though.

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2008-04-08 11:59:06

#61

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7007|SE London

fadedsteve wrote:
We already have a federally issued national ID. . . . . . its called a passport!!!

And NO WE DONT NEED ANOTHER ONE! I am totally against a national ID or anything other than a passport/drivers license PERIOD!

Wow!

Almost word for word my views on this.

2008-04-08 12:00:54

#62

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7188

Bertster7 wrote:
fadedsteve wrote:
We already have a federally issued national ID. . . . . . its called a passport!!!

And NO WE DONT NEED ANOTHER ONE! I am totally against a national ID or anything other than a passport/drivers license PERIOD!
Wow!

Almost word for word my views on this.

I don't have a passport. So where is my national ID?

2008-04-08 12:04:50

#63

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7007|SE London

usmarine wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
fadedsteve wrote:
We already have a federally issued national ID. . . . . . its called a passport!!!

And NO WE DONT NEED ANOTHER ONE! I am totally against a national ID or anything other than a passport/drivers license PERIOD!
Wow!

Almost word for word my views on this.
I don't have a passport. So where is my national ID?

Get a passport.

Problem solved.

2008-04-08 12:06:49

#64

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7188

Bertster7 wrote:
Get a passport.

why? it is not required.

2008-04-08 12:07:56

#65

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7007|SE London

usmarine wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
Get a passport.
why? it is not required.

Why not?

Do you require ID?

If so then a passport would be very handy for that.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2008-04-08 12:08:48)

2008-04-08 12:09:22

#66

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7188

Bertster7 wrote:
usmarine wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
Get a passport.
why? it is not required.
Do you require ID?

I have a drivers license. In order to get that, you need your social security card and birth certificate.

2008-04-08 12:13:40

#67

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7007|SE London

usmarine wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
usmarine wrote:

why? it is not required.
Do you require ID?
I have a drivers license. In order to get that, you need your social security card and birth certificate.

Then why have a national ID card?

If anyone really wants/needs a general purpose form of ID recognised internationally - they should just get a passport.

I can't imagine not having a passport. I often carry mine with me in case I suddenly decide to go to another country (spontaneous trips to Paris earn serious brownie points with the ladies ).

2008-04-08 12:15:24

#68

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7188

Bertster7 wrote:
usmarine wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:

Do you require ID?
I have a drivers license. In order to get that, you need your social security card and birth certificate.
Then why have a national ID card?

If anyone really wants/needs a general purpose form of ID recognised internationally - they should just get a passport.

I can't imagine not having a passport. I often carry mine with me in case I suddenly decide to go to another country (spontaneous trips to Paris earn serious brownie points with the ladies ).

I have never had a passport, and really do not plan on getting one. I'd rather have a national ID.

2008-04-08 12:17:05

#69

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6981

usmarine wrote:
I have never had a passport, and really do not plan on getting one. I'd rather have a national ID.

I thought you said you went to Frankfurt with your airline. Were you lying?

2008-04-08 12:17:16

#70

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|7047|London, England

usmarine wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
usmarine wrote:

I have a drivers license. In order to get that, you need your social security card and birth certificate.
Then why have a national ID card?

If anyone really wants/needs a general purpose form of ID recognised internationally - they should just get a passport.

I can't imagine not having a passport. I often carry mine with me in case I suddenly decide to go to another country (spontaneous trips to Paris earn serious brownie points with the ladies ).
I have never had a passport, and really do not plan on getting one. I'd rather have a national ID.

wat

How can you not have a passport? How can you go to other countries without one, or on an airport

2008-04-08 12:19:37

#71

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7188

CameronPoe wrote:
usmarine wrote:
I have never had a passport, and really do not plan on getting one. I'd rather have a national ID.
I thought you said you went to Frankfurt with your airline. Were you lying?

Did not need one for aircrat delivery. Airbus gives you some sort of papers. And it was Hamburg.

2008-04-08 12:19:52

#72

apollo_fi: The Flying Kalakukko.; +94|6956|The lunar module

Mek-Izzle wrote:
usmarine wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:

Then why have a national ID card?

If anyone really wants/needs a general purpose form of ID recognised internationally - they should just get a passport.

I can't imagine not having a passport. I often carry mine with me in case I suddenly decide to go to another country (spontaneous trips to Paris earn serious brownie points with the ladies ).
I have never had a passport, and really do not plan on getting one. I'd rather have a national ID.
wat

How can you not have a passport? How can you go to other countries without one, or on an airport

Marines travel as minors, listed in their squad leader's passport.

2008-04-08 12:20:13

#73

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|7007|SE London

usmarine wrote:
I have never had a passport, and really do not plan on getting one. I'd rather have a national ID.

Why?

What's the rationale behind that?

2008-04-08 12:20:38

#74

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7188

Mek-Izzle wrote:
How can you not have a passport? How can you go to other countries without one, or on an airport

I had a military ID for many years, that always worked.

2008-04-08 12:21:38

#75

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7188

Bertster7 wrote:
usmarine wrote:
I have never had a passport, and really do not plan on getting one. I'd rather have a national ID.
Why?

What's the rationale behind that?

Fits in the wallet.

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