Vandals have desecrated 148 Muslim graves in France's biggest WWI cemetery, officials have said.
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France is pretty fucked right now. They don't have the sense to hire their North African immigrants, the immigrants get mad and violent, and then the French decide to worsen things by doing this shit.
Hey that's fucked up, it's a shame that European countries have so many neo-Nazi's etc.. Yet they claim to be doing it for their country. These people don't realise that they would've been, and rightly so, rounded up and shot, during the time of warfare.
Last edited by Mek-Izzle (2008-04-06 10:36:12)
Desecrating graves = not cool.
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We're not exactly pacifists either.
One of the worst articles I've ever read.Kmarion wrote:
On Europe's current round of Pacifist "dress up".
It was a deliberately anti-Europe article but facts are facts. We passed on our less savoury traits anyway to our wayward US child: genocide against the Native Americans and a strong imperialist streak (Phillipines, Puerto Rico, Texas/SouthWest landgrab from Mexico, etc.).jord wrote:
One of the worst articles I've ever read.Kmarion wrote:
On Europe's current round of Pacifist "dress up".
Seems slightly excessive, I imaging 95 or so of them will be rather bored. If anyone wants to commit any crimes in Northern France sounds like now is your time to do it!About 100 police officers have been sent to the cemetery to investigate the incident.
EDIT: As for Kerry's article, whilst biased I can certainly see an element of truth in it. Amusingly enough I think I prefer being painted as a Jew killing racist than the usual boring appeasement loving liberal. Maybe I just like the change.
Last edited by ghettoperson (2008-04-06 12:48:15)
I find it fucking hilarious, that these neo nazi's, but their great idol "Hilter" loved them, if u look at the 2nd world war, there were several muslim SS regiments, made out of people from the Balkans, and arabs.
In 2nd world war, one of hitlers best allies (cant remember name) same guy Yaseer Arafat was a disciple of.
Was the leader/president of Palestine.
Funny shit how these neo nazis got it twisted, but im my opinion, we got way to many muslims in EU, and we give them way to much, yet they still burn our flag.
sorry for the off-topic
In 2nd world war, one of hitlers best allies (cant remember name) same guy Yaseer Arafat was a disciple of.
Was the leader/president of Palestine.
Funny shit how these neo nazis got it twisted, but im my opinion, we got way to many muslims in EU, and we give them way to much, yet they still burn our flag.
sorry for the off-topic
Don't forget Australia with regards to the Aborigines.CameronPoe wrote:
It was a deliberately anti-Europe article but facts are facts. We passed on our less savoury traits anyway to our wayward US child: genocide against the Native Americans and a strong imperialist streak (Phillipines, Puerto Rico, Texas/SouthWest landgrab from Mexico, etc.).jord wrote:
One of the worst articles I've ever read.Kmarion wrote:
On Europe's current round of Pacifist "dress up".
You're thinking of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, I believe.Dr.PhiL wrote:
I find it fucking hilarious, that these neo nazi's, but their great idol "Hilter" loved them, if u look at the 2nd world war, there were several muslim SS regiments, made out of people from the Balkans, and arabs.
In 2nd world war, one of hitlers best allies (cant remember name) same guy Yaseer Arafat was a disciple of.
Was the leader/president of Palestine.
Funny shit how these neo nazis got it twisted, but im my opinion, we got way to many muslims in EU, and we give them way to much, yet they still burn our flag.
sorry for the off-topic
What exactly do you disagree with?jord wrote:
One of the worst articles I've ever read.Kmarion wrote:
On Europe's current round of Pacifist "dress up".
" Don't let Europe's current round of playing pacifist dress-up fool you: This is the continent that perfected genocide and ethnic cleansing, the happy-go-lucky slice of humanity that brought us such recent hits as the Holocaust and Srebrenica. "
Big surprise.jord wrote:
One of the worst articles I've ever read.Kmarion wrote:
On Europe's current round of Pacifist "dress up".
Irony.. you didn't pass anything on to us. It was our ancestors that had the courage to pick up and leave you and your "less savory" oppresive traits. Your ethnic cleansing and imperialism continued long after the Native American struggle. I'm sure you know your own history better than what you pretend it to be.CameronPoe wrote:
It was a deliberately anti-Europe article but facts are facts. We passed on our less savoury traits anyway to our wayward US child: genocide against the Native Americans and a strong imperialist streak (Phillipines, Puerto Rico, Texas/SouthWest landgrab from Mexico, etc.).
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Vietnam?Kmarion wrote:
Irony.. you didn't pass anything on to us. It was our ancestors that had the courage to pick up and leave you and your "less savory" oppresive traits. Your ethnic cleansing and imperialism continued long after the Native American struggle. I'm sure you know your own history better than what you pretend it to be.
Iraq?
The Native American struggle everybody is having a laugh at in the other thread - "Casinos"?
To suggest that you're really that different from us is wrong. The amount of hatred spewed out about Muslims on this forum alone is testament to that.
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Specially when they're graves of soldiers.Pubic wrote:
Desecrating graves = not cool.
You gather your testament of American sentiment through the juvenile post on a video game forum? You say we are not any different from you, yet I've seen in your previous post you believe Europe in on the verge of "Eutopia". It seems you are confused. You'd also be wise not to compare American history to Europes bloodied and still recent background.CameronPoe wrote:
Vietnam?Kmarion wrote:
Irony.. you didn't pass anything on to us. It was our ancestors that had the courage to pick up and leave you and your "less savory" oppresive traits. Your ethnic cleansing and imperialism continued long after the Native American struggle. I'm sure you know your own history better than what you pretend it to be.
Iraq?
The Native American struggle everybody is having a laugh at in the other thread - "Casinos"?
To suggest that you're really that different from us is wrong. The amount of hatred spewed out about Muslims on this forum alone is testament to that.
Vietnam and Iraq are nowhere near the atrocities of those committed on the Natives in America (in the name of imperialism). Europe within the last century has seen ethnic cleansing more than once. You'll have to forgive me if I'm not so quick to erase your most recent displays of mass murder and hatred... you know, considering there are still witnesses alive to have seen it. I guess I gave your knowledge of history a little too much credit.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Eutopia? I think not. We have our social and economic ills just like every single other nation on this planet. Crime: check. Drug addiction: check. Poor people: check. Immigration issues: check. Racism: check. Job losses: check. Falling house prices: check.Kmarion wrote:
You gather your testament of American sentiment through the juvenile post on a video game forum? You say we are not any different from you, yet I've seen in your previous post you believe Europe in on the verge of "Eutopia". It seems you are confused. You'd also be wise not to compare American history to Europes bloodied and still recent background.
Vietnam and Iraq are nowhere near the atrocities of those committed on the Natives in America (in the name of imperialism). Europe within the last century has seen ethnic cleansing more than once. You'll have to forgive me if I'm not so quick to erase your most recent displays of mass murder and hatred... you know, considering there are still witnesses alive to have seen it. I guess I gave your knowledge of history a little too much credit.
I stated that 'facts are facts' a few posts up, recognising these crimes on our soil. My original post was meant to highlight the fact that the author of the article was speaking as if his country had committed no crimes, which quite frankly they have.
Also, it's all very well for this author to be mouthing off from his comfortable homestead in North America but Europe is in a decidely different location on earth than the US is. We have Africa to our south, the middle east to our south-east and Russia to our east. The world's problems are on our doorstep. All you guys have is a bunch of Spanish speaking people to your south who are prepared to work hard for next to nothing. We were the physical frontline in the Cold War. The USSR only ceded control of half of our continent in 1990. You guys had it simple - oust the Brits, kill or herd the Natives into desolate boxes of land, buy Florida, buy Alaska, kick Mexico out of their northern territories, hand everyone a gun and then divide up the massively underpopulated and resource-rich land amongst you. You show scant regard for circumstance.
Don't give us the 'holier than thou' bullshit. You know exactly what your country did in Vietnam. Carpet bombing a distant nation into the stone age with all sorts of munitions including Agent Orange. 4m victims of dioxin poisoning. 2 million civilian deaths. 1.1 million Vietnamese military deaths with 600,000 wounded. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-04-07 02:10:06)
*Off-Topic*Kmarion wrote:
You gather your testament of American sentiment through the juvenile post on a video game forum? You say we are not any different from you, yet I've seen in your previous post you believe Europe in on the verge of "Eutopia". It seems you are confused. You'd also be wise not to compare American history to Europes bloodied and still recent background.
Vietnam and Iraq are nowhere near the atrocities of those committed on the Natives in America (in the name of imperialism). Europe within the last century has seen ethnic cleansing more than once. You'll have to forgive me if I'm not so quick to erase your most recent displays of mass murder and hatred... you know, considering there are still witnesses alive to have seen it. I guess I gave your knowledge of history a little too much credit.
American history is probably as blooded as European's one. Remember, presidents' assassinations, american civilian war and all wars which followed that you have been in for your own (not talking about WWI and II here, only all of the others), Indians massacres... almost genocide I meant, etc. So yes americans aren't really different from europeans since they did similar bullshit. Anyway you americans were all europeans at first (200-250 years ago... not alot finally compare to Europe's history), accept it, without europe, US wouldn't be what it is now. Sad but true.
*Back to Topic*
yeah French don't hate muslims more than any other western country and they don't like them more either.
PS: seriously I didn't wanna hurt any nationalist feeling here.
I specifically remember a topic you created entitled something resembling Europe was nearing Eutopia. Search is disabled.CameronPoe wrote:
Eutopia? I think not. We have our social and economic ills just like every single other nation on this planet. Crime: check. Drug addiction: check. Poor people: check. Immigration issues: check. Racism: check. Job losses: check. Falling house prices: check.Kmarion wrote:
You gather your testament of American sentiment through the juvenile post on a video game forum? You say we are not any different from you, yet I've seen in your previous post you believe Europe in on the verge of "Eutopia". It seems you are confused. You'd also be wise not to compare American history to Europes bloodied and still recent background.
Vietnam and Iraq are nowhere near the atrocities of those committed on the Natives in America (in the name of imperialism). Europe within the last century has seen ethnic cleansing more than once. You'll have to forgive me if I'm not so quick to erase your most recent displays of mass murder and hatred... you know, considering there are still witnesses alive to have seen it. I guess I gave your knowledge of history a little too much credit.
No other country gets nearly the amount of Immigrants the United States does, and it's not just "Spanish speaking people to our south". There are more Irish Americans living in the United States than there are Irish living in Ireland. Travel around some parts of Florida and you would think you were in Cuba.CameronPoe wrote:
I stated that 'facts are facts' a few posts up, recognising these crimes on our soil. My original post was meant to highlight the fact that the author of the article was speaking as if his country had committed no crimes, which quite frankly they have.
Also, it's all very well for this author to be mouthing off from his comfortable homestead in North America but Europe is in a decidedly different location on earth than the US is. We have Africa to our south, the middle east to our south-east and Russia to our east. The world's problems are on our doorstep. All you guys have is a bunch of Spanish speaking people to your south who are prepared to work hard for next to nothing. We were the physical frontline in the Cold War. The USSR only ceded control of half of our continent in 1990. You guys had it simple - oust the Brits, kill or herd the Natives into desolate boxes of land, buy Florida, buy Alaska, kick Mexico out of their northern territories, hand everyone a gun and then divide up the massively underpopulated and resource-rich land amongst you. You show scant regard for circumstance.
The difference (and topic at hand) is willingness to accept diversity. Europeans have failed at that for thousands of years. Don't get me wrong, it's not a "holier than thou" concept I am pushing. Americans have had no choice in the matter. Our existence has required that we become a "melting pot". In order to survive as a young nation amongst the old world powers we had to learn to embrace the variety and different cultures that make up the United States. Diversity is essential, whether it be Latin America, European Americans, African Americans, or Asian Americans. Sure we still have our jackass's who have burned crosses and committed violent acts against those who are different. But nothing comparable to the millions that have died in the name of "self preservation" in Europe. This is how you have maintained your differences despite the circumstance you spoke of. I believe the word you like to use is "Heavy-Handedness".CameronPoe wrote:
Don't give us the 'holier than thou' bullshit. You know exactly what your country did in Vietnam. Carpet bombing a distant nation into the stone age with all sorts of munitions including Agent Orange. 4m victims of dioxin poisoning. 2 million civilian deaths. 1.1 million Vietnamese military deaths with 600,000 wounded. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
The point is the idea that Europeans will allow Islam to take over is a joke. A laugh at the lowings, Mitch's, and David P.'s, of the forum every time they suggest Europe is being taken over. They need only go back and read your history to see the impossibility of this.
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I doubt it but the return of the search function will probably tell.Kmarion wrote:
I specifically remember a topic you created entitled something resembling Europe was nearing Eutopia. Search is disabled.
No other country receives the same amount of immigrants for the reasons I mention: the US is still grossly underpopulated in comparison with Europe. It is the land of plenty. We can't exactly accommodate people as readily as the US can - it's kinda cramped in here. Plus: Europeans are nationalistic and inherently seek to preserve their resptective cultural, ethnic and linguistic identities. Nowhere on the brochure for Europe does it say: 'We welcome your huddled masses'. The fact is the huddled masses can fuck off. That is actually a view expressed by many right wing (and some left wing) elements in the US too. Spare me the necessity to do a search for Minutemen articles.Kmarion wrote:
No other country gets nearly the amount of Immigrants the United States does, and it's not just "Spanish speaking people to our south". There are more Irish Americans living in the United States than there are Irish living in Ireland. Travel around some parts of Florida and you would think you were in Cuba.
You're right - Europeans will never let Islam or any other group of people take over our continent. If even a sniff of such a threat arose we would march them back from whence they came with bayonets in their back. Personally I think the US would do likewise. If a Mexican nationalist movement emerged in south-west USA we would soon see the right to bear arms exercised that's for sure.Kmarion wrote:
The difference (and topic at hand) is willingness to accept diversity. Europeans have failed at that for thousands of years. Don't get me wrong, it's not a "holier than thou" concept I am pushing. Americans have had no choice in the matter. Our existence has required that we become a "melting pot". In order to survive as a young nation amongst the old world powers we had to learn to embrace the variety and different cultures that make up the United States. Diversity is essential, whether it be Latin America, European Americans, African Americans, or Asian Americans. Sure we still have our jackass's who have burned crosses and committed violent acts against those who are different. But nothing comparable to the millions that have died in the name of "self preservation" in Europe. This is how you have maintained your differences despite the circumstance you spoke of. I believe the word you like to use is "Heavy-Handedness".
The point is the idea that Europeans will allow Islam to take over is a joke. A laugh at the lowings, Mitch's, and David P.'s, of the forum every time they suggest Europe is being taken over. They need only go back and read your history to see the impossibility of this.
Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-04-07 08:15:59)
Much of Europe was taken over pretty easily by Christians (i.e: Middle Easterners) /Romans and the effects are still there today, and then half was taken over by Islam (Spain, South East Europe) and then even more was taken over by Hitler/Napoleon. This place isn't Impregnable.
However, Islam won't ever take over. Not because Europe is some sort of secret impregnable fortress, but because quite simply, times have moved on. It's just not going to happen.
However, Islam won't ever take over. Not because Europe is some sort of secret impregnable fortress, but because quite simply, times have moved on. It's just not going to happen.
Grossly underpopulated? I think not. We have no desire to have the same population density problems Europeans have. Search minuteman articles if you would like. I will simply counter with the real State sponsored historical actions in Europe over the last century. This whole discussion was worth it just to see you liken yourself to the American right wing..lolCameronPoe wrote:
I doubt it but the return of the search function will probably tell.Kmarion wrote:
I specifically remember a topic you created entitled something resembling Europe was nearing Eutopia. Search is disabled.No other country receives the same amount of immigrants for the reasons I mention: the US is still grossly underpopulated in comparison with Europe. It is the land of plenty. We can't exactly accommodate people as readily as the US can - it's kinda cramped in here. Plus: Europeans are nationalistic and inherently seek to preserve their resptective cultural, ethnic and linguistic identities. Nowhere on the brochure for Europe does it say: 'We welcome your huddled masses'. The fact is the huddled masses can fuck off. That is actually a view expressed by many right wing (and some left wing) elements in the US too. Spare me the necessity to do a search for Minutemen articles.Kmarion wrote:
No other country gets nearly the amount of Immigrants the United States does, and it's not just "Spanish speaking people to our south". There are more Irish Americans living in the United States than there are Irish living in Ireland. Travel around some parts of Florida and you would think you were in Cuba.
What do you mean if a Mexican nationalist movement were to emerge?You're right - Europeans will never let Islam or any other group of people take over our continent. If even a sniff of such a threat arose we would march them back from whence they came with bayonets in their back. Personally I think the US would do likewise. If a Mexican nationalist movement emerged in south-west USA we would soon see the right to bear arms exercised that's for sure.Kmarion wrote:
The difference (and topic at hand) is willingness to accept diversity. Europeans have failed at that for thousands of years. Don't get me wrong, it's not a "holier than thou" concept I am pushing. Americans have had no choice in the matter. Our existence has required that we become a "melting pot". In order to survive as a young nation amongst the old world powers we had to learn to embrace the variety and different cultures that make up the United States. Diversity is essential, whether it be Latin America, European Americans, African Americans, or Asian Americans. Sure we still have our jackass's who have burned crosses and committed violent acts against those who are different. But nothing comparable to the millions that have died in the name of "self preservation" in Europe. This is how you have maintained your differences despite the circumstance you spoke of. I believe the word you like to use is "Heavy-Handedness".
The point is the idea that Europeans will allow Islam to take over is a joke. A laugh at the lowings, Mitch's, and David P.'s, of the forum every time they suggest Europe is being taken over. They need only go back and read your history to see the impossibility of this.
^^Hey buddy, you don't look so tough holding your bottle of dansi water.
Where are the mass graves?
Xbone Stormsurgezz
mexicans populated " their " northern territories post 1600's when the Spanish were booted out. Los Angeles was a empty flood plain surrounded by hundreds of miles of desert. When the Mexicans started coming up, they found Indians trying to work the Spanish farms near the missions. They claim wides swaths of these lands, but had as much historical claim as the Clovis people who were just passing through. Unless you claim the Serrano, Chemehuevi and Cahuilla Indian tribes are Mexicans, this part of your point is vacuous. And if you do claim that, don't say it to a indian as they would be offended.CameronPoe wrote:
Eutopia? I think not. We have our social and economic ills just like every single other nation on this planet. Crime: check. Drug addiction: check. Poor people: check. Immigration issues: check. Racism: check. Job losses: check. Falling house prices: check.Kmarion wrote:
You gather your testament of American sentiment through the juvenile post on a video game forum? You say we are not any different from you, yet I've seen in your previous post you believe Europe in on the verge of "Eutopia". It seems you are confused. You'd also be wise not to compare American history to Europes bloodied and still recent background.
Vietnam and Iraq are nowhere near the atrocities of those committed on the Natives in America (in the name of imperialism). Europe within the last century has seen ethnic cleansing more than once. You'll have to forgive me if I'm not so quick to erase your most recent displays of mass murder and hatred... you know, considering there are still witnesses alive to have seen it. I guess I gave your knowledge of history a little too much credit.
I stated that 'facts are facts' a few posts up, recognising these crimes on our soil. My original post was meant to highlight the fact that the author of the article was speaking as if his country had committed no crimes, which quite frankly they have.
Also, it's all very well for this author to be mouthing off from his comfortable homestead in North America but Europe is in a decidely different location on earth than the US is. We have Africa to our south, the middle east to our south-east and Russia to our east. The world's problems are on our doorstep. All you guys have is a bunch of Spanish speaking people to your south who are prepared to work hard for next to nothing. We were the physical frontline in the Cold War. The USSR only ceded control of half of our continent in 1990. You guys had it simple - oust the Brits, kill or herd the Natives into desolate boxes of land, buy Florida, buy Alaska, kick Mexico out of their northern territories, hand everyone a gun and then divide up the massively underpopulated and resource-rich land amongst you. You show scant regard for circumstance.
Don't give us the 'holier than thou' bullshit. You know exactly what your country did in Vietnam. Carpet bombing a distant nation into the stone age with all sorts of munitions including Agent Orange. 4m victims of dioxin poisoning. 2 million civilian deaths. 1.1 million Vietnamese military deaths with 600,000 wounded. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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