Turquoise wrote:
A wall of text only goes so far in defending your point.
If that's directed at me I'm a little annoyed at this attitude. I'm sorry I couldn't present my response in the form of a documentary movie but I took the time to watch the entire film and put forward reasonable counter arguments to what was raised in the film, it's not just a 'wall of text'.
lowing wrote:
Well, these are good points, unfortunately they are also mere, unre-enforced opinion, and biased ( we can't show bias remember). Can yours and Braddock's opinion be backed up with video or articles to re-enforce your opinions of this religion, because it is obvious that the opinion of this video can be re-enforced.
The mere existance of the movie does not automatically validate the opinion of the director of the movie. I could put forward examples of pro-Islam movie clips and you could similarly question many aspects of these films (in fact I'd expect you to); they may help in the building of an argument but they do not constitute the 'be all and end all' of the argument. Also there is a lot of opinion in this movie that is not particularly well backed up either. For example Trifkovic asserts that the Islamic faith has a secret desire to emcompass the entire planet by stealth, this is about as provable as the claim that the US has a desire to take over the entire earth...it's just an opinion based on current events and perceived attitudes within the US leadership. He claims the world would be a much more peaceful place if we took Islam out of the equation, I could reasonably claim the world would have much less war if the US was taken out of the equation...what does that prove about anything?
lowing wrote:
I see no reason to "research" what I already believe to be true. This merely further strengthens my points and opinions.
You have revealed something very telling about your mentality here lowing. You watched the film and no doubt lapped up every minute of it as it fits very nicely into your pre-existing view of the Islamic faith. You say you see no reason in questioning anything about the nature of the film makers, the interviewees or their perception among their peers because it may go against your pre-existing views of Islam. You should allow yourself to experience all sides in an argument lowing, even those you don't agree with. I watched this entire film and it goes completely against my moderate view of the Islamic faith.
In Relation To The Movie Again...I have never argued that extremist Islam is not a problem, it is a very real problem and the points raised in this film about the dangers of extremist Islam hold true, there's no denying that. The aspects of the film that I criticised were the way in which it paints an alarmist picture of Islam by ONLY focusing on the worst examples of extremism, it's neglect to treat Western meddling in the Middle East as an important factor in the clash between Middle Eastern and Western culture, it's selective interpretation of ancient history in the region (the crusades and so on...not Mohamed, he was simply a cock knocker by the sounds of things) and it's use of interviewees who have been criticised in the past by their peers (not me like lowing would like to believe).
Also, and I forgot to mention this before, it does not at any stage have an interviewee on to attempt to defend Islam against any of the points raised, it only ever plays videos and soundbites.