So then your point is....Morpheus1229 wrote:
So, actually, I think I'll critisize the school- letting somebody do something on their free time does not mean that you support it. Just providing a free room, which is what was asked for, does not mean supporting, appeasing, etc.
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Yeah. And?lowing wrote:
To both of you
"In response to a recent court decision that said a Berlin high school must provide a Muslim student with a prayer room, a debate has flared up that pits religious freedom against a German law to keep public institutions religion-neutral."
The room is for Muslims, no one else needs it.Morpheus1229 wrote:
So then your point is....Morpheus1229 wrote:
So, actually, I think I'll critisize the school- letting somebody do something on their free time does not mean that you support it. Just providing a free room, which is what was asked for, does not mean supporting, appeasing, etc.
People got upset that other people wanted something that wasn't really illegal?
Woo-hoo, deal with it.
If the room was only to be used by Muslims, then yea it'd be a confilct. But I din't get that sense.
Says who? The Christians? The Jews? The School?lowing wrote:
The room is for Muslims, no one else needs it.Morpheus1229 wrote:
So then your point is....Morpheus1229 wrote:
So, actually, I think I'll critisize the school- letting somebody do something on their free time does not mean that you support it. Just providing a free room, which is what was asked for, does not mean supporting, appeasing, etc.
People got upset that other people wanted something that wasn't really illegal?
Woo-hoo, deal with it.
If the room was only to be used by Muslims, then yea it'd be a confilct. But I din't get that sense.
Yeah ok, so back to the same argument with the gym hours at Harvard. Just because no one else asked for it, only Muslims, does not mean that no one else can use those special hours. It is a needy, attention whore, of a religionMorpheus1229 wrote:
Says who? The Christians? The Jews? The School?lowing wrote:
The room is for Muslims, no one else needs it.Morpheus1229 wrote:
So then your point is....
People got upset that other people wanted something that wasn't really illegal?
Woo-hoo, deal with it.
If the room was only to be used by Muslims, then yea it'd be a confilct. But I din't get that sense.
They haven't asked for it, that's all. Doesn't mean they can't, or won't use it.
The Israel/Palestine conflict is the number one driver of anti-western terrorism - it is an issue that transcends borders. Does this inconsequential (for all of us in the west) resolution state that all Islamic nations must be violent? I think you'll find it doesn't..... you seem to forget about what your arguing with whom in this thread....lowing wrote:
Ya mean as much impact on your life as the Israeli Palestinian conflict?........ Also since it is 100% of Islamic nations in the UN pretty much stomps your notion that it is a small minority of them doesn't it.
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To which I say the response is:lowing wrote:
Yeah ok, so back to the same argument with the gym hours at Harvard. Just because no one else asked for it, only Muslims, does not mean that no one else can use those special hours. It is a needy, attention whore, of a religionMorpheus1229 wrote:
Says who? The Christians? The Jews? The School?lowing wrote:
The room is for Muslims, no one else needs it.
They haven't asked for it, that's all. Doesn't mean they can't, or won't use it.
So, now your point is:lowing wrote:
Just because no one else asked for it does not mean that no one else can use those special hours
Then ignore it, like any attention whore.lowing wrote:
It is a needy, attention whore, of a religion
Unfortunately the "dissent" you know the people that see Islam for what it is, would be trying to get rid of these violent and non-tolerant" govts.CameronPoe wrote:
The Israel/Palestine conflict is the number one driver of anti-western terrorism - it is an issue that transcends borders. Does this inconsequential (for all of us in the west) resolution state that all Islamic nations must be violent? I think you'll find it doesn't..... you seem to forget about what your arguing with whom in this thread....lowing wrote:
Ya mean as much impact on your life as the Israeli Palestinian conflict?........ Also since it is 100% of Islamic nations in the UN pretty much stomps your notion that it is a small minority of them doesn't it.
If anything this resolution plays into western hands - we would benefit from all of their puppet regimes clamping down on dissent!
Oh and by the way I think you missed this rather critical line in the article:
"The council has no enforcement powers but is supposed to act as a moral conscience."
Typical UN.
Typical liberal, I refuse to stick my head in the sand.Morpheus1229 wrote:
To which I say the response is:lowing wrote:
Yeah ok, so back to the same argument with the gym hours at Harvard. Just because no one else asked for it, only Muslims, does not mean that no one else can use those special hours. It is a needy, attention whore, of a religionMorpheus1229 wrote:
Says who? The Christians? The Jews? The School?
They haven't asked for it, that's all. Doesn't mean they can't, or won't use it.So, now your point is:lowing wrote:
Just because no one else asked for it does not mean that no one else can use those special hoursThen ignore it, like any attention whore.lowing wrote:
It is a needy, attention whore, of a religion
So then go whine about it some internet message board.lowing wrote:
Typical liberal, I refuse to stick my head in the sand.
You know fine well that the 'dissent' in these nations is one of two varieties - those who want more democracy and those who want a hardline theocracy.lowing wrote:
Unfortunately the "dissent" you know the people that see Islam for what it is, would be trying to get rid of these violent and non-tolerant" govts.
I love it, Arab/ Islamic nations are gunna be the moral compass and human rights watch dog for the UN. THat outta go over pretty well.
Why do you suppose all of the EU nations obstained from a vote like this Cam? Any chance you will admit because they were afraid of a backlash by this peace loving religion if they did not vote their way? Nehhhhhhhh couldn't be
Actually I was on my out to round them all up in the US and intern them in work camps, until I got around to killing them all.Morpheus1229 wrote:
So then go whine about it some internet message board.lowing wrote:
Typical liberal, I refuse to stick my head in the sand.
My article does not mention L.35 I am wondering if it is the same resolution.CameronPoe wrote:
You know fine well that the 'dissent' in these nations is one of two varieties - those who want more democracy and those who want a hardline theocracy.lowing wrote:
Unfortunately the "dissent" you know the people that see Islam for what it is, would be trying to get rid of these violent and non-tolerant" govts.
I love it, Arab/ Islamic nations are gunna be the moral compass and human rights watch dog for the UN. THat outta go over pretty well.
Why do you suppose all of the EU nations obstained from a vote like this Cam? Any chance you will admit because they were afraid of a backlash by this peace loving religion if they did not vote their way? Nehhhhhhhh couldn't be
By the way - your article is a pack of shit. The EU voted against the resolution!
http://www.europa-eu-un.org/articles/en … 543_en.htm
The very reason the US is not a part of this 'human rights council' is because it has basically been turned into a 'bash Israel council'. For someone who often decries the UN you seem to attach a lot of importance to pointless little talkshop sub-committees that mean nothing to no-one...
LOWING WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO START FUCKING READING WHAT I POST. I NEVER ARGUED THE FUCKING TOLERANCE POINT OK? YOU GOT THAT. UNDERSTAND? CAPISCHE? Fucking hell it's like posting against a brick fucking wall. Christ almighty.lowing wrote:
My article does not mention L.35 I am wondering if it is the same resolution.
Anyway, I did not post the article to lend significance to the UN. but rather to show the mentality of 100% of the Arab/Islamic nations and their belief and attempt at censorship and intolerance for different opinions. This preety much flies in the face of your opinion that Islam as a MAJORITY is tolerant and not a probelm
If you agree that Islam as a MAJORITY is intolerant then you must also believe that this belief does not mesh well with western society and does not belong.CameronPoe wrote:
LOWING WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO START FUCKING READING WHAT I POST. I NEVER ARGUED THE FUCKING TOLERANCE POINT OK? YOU GOT THAT. UNDERSTAND? CAPISCHE? Fucking hell it's like posting against a brick fucking wall. Christ almighty.lowing wrote:
My article does not mention L.35 I am wondering if it is the same resolution.
Anyway, I did not post the article to lend significance to the UN. but rather to show the mentality of 100% of the Arab/Islamic nations and their belief and attempt at censorship and intolerance for different opinions. This preety much flies in the face of your opinion that Islam as a MAJORITY is tolerant and not a probelm
Like I said countless times: religions evolve and vary regionally. 99% of British Muslims have meshed into society just fine with an enlightened form of Islam developing apace. Any trouble they might have with respect to Islam only started in very recent times, primarily driven by POLITICAL issues such as Palestine and Western intervention in the middle east. I'm sure pretty much all of the inhabitants of Dearborn are competent and country-loving employees of various car manufacturers.lowing wrote:
If you agree that Islam as a MAJORITY is intolerant then you must also believe that this belief does not mesh well with western society and does not belong.
In fact since you agree that Islam is intolarnt, then people who are tolerant are not PRACTICING Isalm.
Next question: How do you think Islamic intolerance manifests itself in these countries....any chance forms of violence would emerge toward the subject of this open intolerance?
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Perhaps, but then they are not PRACTICING ISLAM as it is taught then are they? Only the "extremists" are truely practicing IslamCameronPoe wrote:
Like I said countless times: religions evolve and vary regionally. 99% of British Muslims have meshed into society just fine with an enlightened form of Islam developing apace. Any trouble they might have with respect to Islam only started in very recent times, primarily driven by POLITICAL issues such as Palestine and Western intervention in the middle east. I'm sure pretty much all of the inhabitants of Dearborn are competent and country-loving employees of various car manufacturers.lowing wrote:
If you agree that Islam as a MAJORITY is intolerant then you must also believe that this belief does not mesh well with western society and does not belong.
In fact since you agree that Islam is intolarnt, then people who are tolerant are not PRACTICING Isalm.
Next question: How do you think Islamic intolerance manifests itself in these countries....any chance forms of violence would emerge toward the subject of this open intolerance?
Well in fact they are practising it as they are taught. Islam is taught in different ways. They are taught the mainstream moderate version. I'd imagine they pray to Mecca five times a day, go to the mosque on the sabbath, observe halal food preparation requirements, give zakat, get circumcised and all that encompasses how Islam is normally taught.lowing wrote:
Perhaps, but then they are not PRACTICING ISLAM as it is taught then are they? Only the "extremists" are truely practicing Islam
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Jeez, I get the impression you wish they were so you could give them even more of a hard time. Cam is right, religion's evolve (as far as I know Christians no longer shun menstruating women), you should be glad that there is evidence that Islam is evolving.lowing wrote:
Perhaps, but then they are not PRACTICING ISLAM as it is taught then are they? Only the "extremists" are truely practicing IslamCameronPoe wrote:
Like I said countless times: religions evolve and vary regionally. 99% of British Muslims have meshed into society just fine with an enlightened form of Islam developing apace. Any trouble they might have with respect to Islam only started in very recent times, primarily driven by POLITICAL issues such as Palestine and Western intervention in the middle east. I'm sure pretty much all of the inhabitants of Dearborn are competent and country-loving employees of various car manufacturers.lowing wrote:
If you agree that Islam as a MAJORITY is intolerant then you must also believe that this belief does not mesh well with western society and does not belong.
In fact since you agree that Islam is intolarnt, then people who are tolerant are not PRACTICING Isalm.
Next question: How do you think Islamic intolerance manifests itself in these countries....any chance forms of violence would emerge toward the subject of this open intolerance?
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Grow a brain.jonnykill wrote:
Cameron, dude , convert to Islam and fight us already ffs. It's bee like 2 years now. Just get it over with UmmmK????
Because none of these things have ever occured in western societies? (ok, maybe not the hatred of the west thing)lowing wrote:
Its intolerance, bullshit extremism, neediness, attention whoring, hatred of the west and opression of women etc.......can "evolve" back in the ME where it came from.
I'll go out on a limb here and say that the majority of christians do not follow the book word by word either. I know I don't. It may come as a surprise to you, but I did have premarital sex. Actually, I still do.lowing wrote:
Perhaps, but then they are not PRACTICING ISLAM as it is taught then are they? Only the "extremists" are truely practicing IslamCameronPoe wrote:
Like I said countless times: religions evolve and vary regionally. 99% of British Muslims have meshed into society just fine with an enlightened form of Islam developing apace. Any trouble they might have with respect to Islam only started in very recent times, primarily driven by POLITICAL issues such as Palestine and Western intervention in the middle east. I'm sure pretty much all of the inhabitants of Dearborn are competent and country-loving employees of various car manufacturers.lowing wrote:
If you agree that Islam as a MAJORITY is intolerant then you must also believe that this belief does not mesh well with western society and does not belong.
In fact since you agree that Islam is intolarnt, then people who are tolerant are not PRACTICING Isalm.
Next question: How do you think Islamic intolerance manifests itself in these countries....any chance forms of violence would emerge toward the subject of this open intolerance?