"The exact number of Muslims is difficult to establish"
So they basically took a guess. Not good enough for fact IMO.
So they basically took a guess. Not good enough for fact IMO.
Poll
Will Islam Take Over Europe?
| Yes | 27% | 27% - 26 | ||||
| No | 72% | 72% - 70 | ||||
| Total: 96 | ||||||
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.... Absolutely delusional. Why on earth would we do that and why do you think the non Muslim majority would stand for such a thing?usmarine wrote:
yesBraddock wrote:
You honestly think we'll allow our traditional systems of Government to give way to Shariah Government in order to appease the Muslim population...honestly?
appeasement is contagious.Braddock wrote:
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.... Absolutely delusional. Why on earth would we do that and why do you think the non Muslim majority would stand for such a thing?usmarine wrote:
yesBraddock wrote:
You honestly think we'll allow our traditional systems of Government to give way to Shariah Government in order to appease the Muslim population...honestly?
I don't think we'll ever know how many exactly there are. I doubt the actual number differs from these results massively.usmarine wrote:
"The exact number of Muslims is difficult to establish"
So they basically took a guess. Not good enough for fact IMO.
Okay, now I know you're taking the piss.usmarine wrote:
appeasement is contagious.Braddock wrote:
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.... Absolutely delusional. Why on earth would we do that and why do you think the non Muslim majority would stand for such a thing?usmarine wrote:
yes
Well my point still stands. Numbers do not mean that much in every case. Are you telling me there were more troops in hitlers army then there were in Europe?jord wrote:
I don't think we'll ever know how many exactly there are. I doubt the actual number differs from these results massively.usmarine wrote:
"The exact number of Muslims is difficult to establish"
So they basically took a guess. Not good enough for fact IMO.
I'm sure we all are doing our best to reverse the trend, but the fact remains that our number is decreasing.Braddock wrote:
So the rest of us are going to stop reproducing? All my friends have Polish girlfriends, how are they going to produce little baby Arabs?apollo_fi wrote:
Probably.
The people who will staff the Europeans' retirement homes and geriatric wards will most likely come from ME and North Africa. They will, naturally, be the future Europeans.
Maybe Polish girlfriends would do the trick, though?
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I have asked in the OP for an explanation of the logistics of how such a takeover would occur and so far all you have given me is...usmarine wrote:
Well my point still stands. Numbers do not mean that much in every case. Are you telling me there were more troops in hitlers army then there were in Europe?jord wrote:
I don't think we'll ever know how many exactly there are. I doubt the actual number differs from these results massively.usmarine wrote:
"The exact number of Muslims is difficult to establish"
So they basically took a guess. Not good enough for fact IMO.
"Appeasement"
and
"Numbers do not mean that much in every case"
Please usmarine, walk me through how such a takeover will occur, you're a military man you should be able to go into more detail than most about a takeover by force.
I'm still waiting for a united Ireland based on birth rate takeover...tick tock.apollo_fi wrote:
I'm sure we all are doing our best to reverse the trend, but the fact remains that our number is decreasing.Braddock wrote:
So the rest of us are going to stop reproducing? All my friends have Polish girlfriends, how are they going to produce little baby Arabs?apollo_fi wrote:
Probably.
The people who will staff the Europeans' retirement homes and geriatric wards will most likely come from ME and North Africa. They will, naturally, be the future Europeans.
Maybe Polish girlfriends would do the trick, though?
Yes, run to the hills, run for your lives.
Hopefully never ever, il be dead before i see that happen.
Let's get something straight, I do not owe you any explanation. And I did not bring up the military side of it, Jord did. And appeasement is my answer. So take it or leave it. Nor do I give a fuck since this is just a retaliation thread anyway.Braddock wrote:
I have asked in the OP for an explanation of the logistics of how such a takeover would occur and so far all you have given me is...usmarine wrote:
Well my point still stands. Numbers do not mean that much in every case. Are you telling me there were more troops in hitlers army then there were in Europe?jord wrote:
I don't think we'll ever know how many exactly there are. I doubt the actual number differs from these results massively.
"Appeasement"
and
"Numbers do not mean that much in every case"
Please usmarine, walk me through how such a takeover will occur, you're a military man you should be able to go into more detail than most about a takeover by force.
Well I live in "Europe" and I'm telling you that Muslims are the minority, and Muslim extremists are a minority within a minority. Maybe me living here makes my opinion more valid than some Fox news writer, New york times journalist or whoever is perpetrating the idea that Europe is to become an islamic state.usmarine wrote:
Well my point still stands. Numbers do not mean that much in every case. Are you telling me there were more troops in hitlers army then there were in Europe?jord wrote:
I don't think we'll ever know how many exactly there are. I doubt the actual number differs from these results massively.usmarine wrote:
"The exact number of Muslims is difficult to establish"
So they basically took a guess. Not good enough for fact IMO.
And so would your great, great, great, great grandchildren if it ever actually did manage to happen.Dr.PhiL wrote:
Hopefully never ever, il be dead before i see that happen.
Fox news and the New York times are nearly polar opposites for the record.jord wrote:
Well I live in "Europe" and I'm telling you that Muslims are the minority, and Muslim extremists are a minority within a minority. Maybe me living here makes my opinion more valid than some Fox news writer, New york times journalist or whoever is perpetrating the idea that Europe is to become an islamic state.usmarine wrote:
Well my point still stands. Numbers do not mean that much in every case. Are you telling me there were more troops in hitlers army then there were in Europe?jord wrote:
I don't think we'll ever know how many exactly there are. I doubt the actual number differs from these results massively.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
I've read articles on the Eurabia idea on both.Kmarion wrote:
Fox news and the New York times are nearly polar opposites for the record.jord wrote:
Well I live in "Europe" and I'm telling you that Muslims are the minority, and Muslim extremists are a minority within a minority. Maybe me living here makes my opinion more valid than some Fox news writer, New york times journalist or whoever is perpetrating the idea that Europe is to become an islamic state.usmarine wrote:
Well my point still stands. Numbers do not mean that much in every case. Are you telling me there were more troops in hitlers army then there were in Europe?
I'd like to see the NYT one if you have it.jord wrote:
I've read articles on the Eurabia idea on both.Kmarion wrote:
Fox news and the New York times are nearly polar opposites for the record.jord wrote:
Well I live in "Europe" and I'm telling you that Muslims are the minority, and Muslim extremists are a minority within a minority. Maybe me living here makes my opinion more valid than some Fox news writer, New york times journalist or whoever is perpetrating the idea that Europe is to become an islamic state.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Didn't you link me to it yesterday/Saturday?Kmarion wrote:
I'd like to see the NYT one if you have it.jord wrote:
I've read articles on the Eurabia idea on both.Kmarion wrote:
Fox news and the New York times are nearly polar opposites for the record.
No that was the New York post. Big difference my friend.jord wrote:
Didn't you link me to it yesterday/Saturday?Kmarion wrote:
I'd like to see the NYT one if you have it.jord wrote:
I've read articles on the Eurabia idea on both.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/11262006/po … htm?page=0
In fact that story supports the idea it will never happen.
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Okay, appeasement is your answer, that's fine.usmarine wrote:
Let's get something straight, I do not owe you any explanation. And I did not bring up the military side of it, Jord did. And appeasement is my answer. So take it or leave it. Nor do I give a fuck since this is just a retaliation thread anyway.Braddock wrote:
I have asked in the OP for an explanation of the logistics of how such a takeover would occur and so far all you have given me is...usmarine wrote:
Well my point still stands. Numbers do not mean that much in every case. Are you telling me there were more troops in hitlers army then there were in Europe?
"Appeasement"
and
"Numbers do not mean that much in every case"
Please usmarine, walk me through how such a takeover will occur, you're a military man you should be able to go into more detail than most about a takeover by force.
Now all you have to do is explain exactly what kind of scenario would bring this about... will the Governments of Europe all get together and decide the Muslim minority should be allowed to run things for a change or will the European Muslim minority unify into a united movement for Islamic Government and put forward a proposal for a constitutional change in favour of Shariah government, which will be inexplicably passed without referendum? Please explain.
And you may not "owe" me an explanation but the OP kindly asked for any opinions to be backed up with reasonable, well considered theories.
What do you want huh? You want me to cut and paste articles from the bbc or something? You know what appeasement I am talking about. I do not need theories when what is already happening has been posted before on this forum.
I agree with Mek, although i am no atheist. Islam can just never take over simply 'cause of the fact that religion is loosing its grip, certainly on Europe, if not the Western world.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Nope, even though Europe has been raped by:
Romans
Christians (still are to an extent)
Islam before (Spain, South East Europe)
Napoleon
Nazi's
Soviet Union
Even the Americans are getting a slice
Times are different these days, Islam won't take over. Europe is becoming an Athiest continent and fast. But there's enough there to stop any religion taking over (again)
Most "Europeans" know how bad religion is, they know what Christianity did to the place. They know that Islam is 100X worse, so no way is it going to happen.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_Western_Europeusmarine wrote:
Well how about you give us some numbers then.jord wrote:
I don't know, but the point remains. "Eurabia" can't happen when Muslim numbers are so low. This is even counting Muslims that are moderate and have no intention of taking over Europe.usmarine wrote:
Where the fuck did that example come from?
I knew the numbers were low, but not that low.sergeriver wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslims_in_Western_Europeusmarine wrote:
Well how about you give us some numbers then.jord wrote:
I don't know, but the point remains. "Eurabia" can't happen when Muslim numbers are so low. This is even counting Muslims that are moderate and have no intention of taking over Europe.
Anyway usmarine, prove that it will happen.
Nice thing is, here it doesn't matter what religion you follow, compared to the US nobody gives a shit in politics. I see all this talk about wether Obama is a muslim and so forth, while here in the netherlands you don't even hear a single word about religion when it's coming to politics. The only time a religion makes appearance in politics is when it's highly in the spotlights like Islam is at this moment.
But Europe being taken over by Islam? Not a chance in hell. We fought off everything that has come at us so far, if Islam wishes to take over Europe they'll have to take it over by force. And that force needs to be even more overwhelming than that of the germans in WW2, because even that failed - and I don't see any islamic nation, not even all of them combined take us over any time soon.
Europe won't move an inch.
But Europe being taken over by Islam? Not a chance in hell. We fought off everything that has come at us so far, if Islam wishes to take over Europe they'll have to take it over by force. And that force needs to be even more overwhelming than that of the germans in WW2, because even that failed - and I don't see any islamic nation, not even all of them combined take us over any time soon.
Europe won't move an inch.
inane little opines