SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6607|North Tonawanda, NY

HurricaИe wrote:

Whatever man... is it so wrong to want to see if I did my math right?
On a test?  Yes.

Prove to yourself that you are correct.  The point of an academic test is to examine your knowledge and your grasp of the subject matter.  Not how well your eyesight is.
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6438|Washington DC

SenorToenails wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

Whatever man... is it so wrong to want to see if I did my math right?
On a test?  Yes.

Prove to yourself that you are correct.  The point of an academic test is to examine your knowledge and your grasp of the subject matter.  Not how well your eyesight is.
I've gotten 100% on two tests and various quizzes this year. I might have glanced at my pal's paper for 2 questions.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7015|Long Island, New York

HurricaИe wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

Whatever man... is it so wrong to want to see if I did my math right?
On a test?  Yes.

Prove to yourself that you are correct.  The point of an academic test is to examine your knowledge and your grasp of the subject matter.  Not how well your eyesight is.
I've gotten 100% on two tests and various quizzes this year. I might have glanced at my pal's paper for 2 questions.
BUT UR A BAD PERSON AND UR LAZI!1!1!!/!!
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6607|North Tonawanda, NY

HurricaИe wrote:

I've gotten 100% on two tests and various quizzes this year. I might have glanced at my pal's paper for 2 questions.
I don't know what your situation is.  All I am saying is that trying to rationalize academic dishonesty is a dangerous road.

Poseidon wrote:

BUT UR A BAD PERSON AND UR LAZI!1!1!!/!!
Why don't you apply your zeal to something productive?

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-04-07 20:03:11)

HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6438|Washington DC

SenorToenails wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

I've gotten 100% on two tests and various quizzes this year. I might have glanced at my pal's paper for 2 questions.
I don't know what your situation is.  All I am saying is that trying to rationalize academic dishonesty is a dangerous road.
Well I get where you're coming from. All I'm saying is that there IS a difference between, as I've said x times now, glancing at a paper and constantly looking at someone's test and copying their responses, or plagiarizing an essay.

I do feel bad when I glance at a person's test. I won't ever do actual cheating (writing answers somewhere, reading other people's tests, plagiarism) because not only could I probably not live with knowing I did it illegitimately, but also because I would have taken the spotlight from someone who did honest work.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7015|Long Island, New York

SenorToenails wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

I've gotten 100% on two tests and various quizzes this year. I might have glanced at my pal's paper for 2 questions.
I don't know what your situation is.  All I am saying is that trying to rationalize academic dishonesty is a dangerous road.

Poseidon wrote:

BUT UR A BAD PERSON AND UR LAZI!1!1!!/!!
Why don't you apply your zeal to something productive?
I actually am - working on an essay. OMG HE'S DOING IT LATE AT NIGHT THAT'S NOT GOOD UR GONNA FORGET DA MATERIAL AND NOT LEARN ANYTHING!!/!/!/

Because God knows I'm gonna be doing sexual reproduction and cell division when I'm a pilot! (inb4milehighclub)

Last edited by Poseidon (2008-04-07 20:07:19)

SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6607|North Tonawanda, NY

Poseidon wrote:

I actually am - working on an essay. OMG HE'S DOING IT LATE AT NIGHT THAT'S NOT GOOD UR GONNA FORGET DA MATERIAL AND NOT LEARN ANYTHING!!/!/!/

Because God knows I'm gonna be doing sexual reproduction and cell division when I'm a piot! (inb4milehighclub)
Don't be an ass.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7015|Long Island, New York

SenorToenails wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

I actually am - working on an essay. OMG HE'S DOING IT LATE AT NIGHT THAT'S NOT GOOD UR GONNA FORGET DA MATERIAL AND NOT LEARN ANYTHING!!/!/!/

Because God knows I'm gonna be doing sexual reproduction and cell division when I'm a piot! (inb4milehighclub)
Don't be an ass.
What, upset by the truth? Answer the question - considering I have my career set in stone basically, am I EVER going to need info on cell division? I know the basic stuff. I know enough to pass the final with a 90.

The only thing I have ever cheated on is spanish vocab. I'm such a horrible person because I forgot some of the vocab and decided to look up 4 of the words? Oh god, I'm such a terrible, terrible person.

Damn me for looking up what 8 words in spanish mean while the teacher wasn't looking. Damn me to hell!

Last edited by Poseidon (2008-04-07 20:13:04)

nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6801|New Haven, CT

Poseidon wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

Cheaters fail.
Sorry nukchebi0, we're not all non-cheating, non-drug/alcohol doing, non-girlfriend having (and I still lol at your sig as it pretty much means you're gay), anti-piracy, perfect little Christian choir boys like you try to be. Sometimes people cheat. Oh well! Get over it. Doesn't take away from our education and won't make our brains forget the material. In fact, I actually often REMEMBER things better when I cheat.

Take your moral trips elsewhere.

Judging from your sig, you're obviously only 16. Which makes all the moral trips you put people on all the funnier, and all the "immaturity" statements 10x funnier.

also, inb4 "i'm so mature" or a statement regarding that.
If you interpret my signature to mean I am gay, it is obvious that you are wanting to find this meaning in it. I know it is rather sad you have to resort to calling me gay to let out your anger, but the internet has done wonders for preventing real life fights and atrocities, so I won't complain. If you actually thought about it for a second, you would realize it was just an observation based on the amount of "girl help" threads I have seen and complaining/jokes by various members who are married about those marriages (Serge, for example). But I understand - in my younger years, I acted much the same way. I am glad to have grown out of it, something you apparently have yet to do.
And, this isn't really a moral trip. Its more annoyance at the fact cheaters unfairly get good grades. I hate seeing lazy assholes who don't want to study get grades near the top of the class, when they don't deserve them.


My point exactly. Is it fair that you have to get lower grades just because you forgot some things? Should your grades show that? No. Which is another reason why the education system NEEDS to be reformed (in NYS, atleast). When you see girls who don't know who assassinated Kennedy in AP History...that even FURTHER proves my point.
Are you delusional? I don't know the material...give me an A. Eroding educational standards is always fun.
"I avoid girls"

Yeah...pretty much speaks for itself.
I avoid girls? If you are reading the signature that poorly, then you absolutely no credibility when it comes to interpreting it.

Dude, you're an elitist. Simple as that. You think you're so much better than people just because you take the moral high-ground.. And you're not, at all. And uh, grown out of it? Um, you've yet to see me post a girl thread on the forums yet.
Nice irrelevant statement.You posting a girl thread has anything to do with with pathetically calling me gay because you can't contain your anger or channel it more constructively and rationally. Please, please don't do that.

Yes, it is a moral trip. It very much is. And you ALWAYS put people on them when they don't fulfill your perfect little world fantasies. You do it with the piracy threads, you do it with the drug threads, and now you're doing it here. Get over yourself. You're not some perfect little angel. And the fact that you try to pretend to be and try to act like one simply means that you're a stuck up, snobby, elitist.
I guess the world is too advanced for honesty.

Oh yes, so if I forget something because of my memory and the fact that I have 4 other tests that day, let me suffer!
Oh noes. You missing 2 instead instead of none will make all the difference on a final grade. I don't seem to have a problem with this.

Jesus Christ.
Exactly.

Again - it's not like I or others cheat ALL THE TIME. I've done it TWICE this year, compared to others who do it ALL THE TIME. THAT is wrong. It's not like I'm cheating to get through school...as I'm definitely not.

But hey, you wanna construe it as that...go right ahead. You always like to misconstrue things your own way anyways.
Um, no.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6607|North Tonawanda, NY

Poseidon wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

I actually am - working on an essay. OMG HE'S DOING IT LATE AT NIGHT THAT'S NOT GOOD UR GONNA FORGET DA MATERIAL AND NOT LEARN ANYTHING!!/!/!/

Because God knows I'm gonna be doing sexual reproduction and cell division when I'm a piot! (inb4milehighclub)
Don't be an ass.
What, upset by the truth? Answer the question - considering I have my career set in stone basically, am I EVER going to need info on cell division? I know the basic stuff. I know enough to pass the final with a 90.

The only thing I have ever cheated on is spanish vocab. I'm such a horrible person because I forgot some of the vocab and decided to look up 4 of the words? Oh god, I'm such a terrible, terrible person.

Damn me for looking up what 8 words in spanish mean while the teacher wasn't looking. Damn me to hell!
How about phrasing things in a civil manner before expecting a conversation? 

Let me be clear on my stance here.  I don't care what your situation is.  I don't care what you have/have not cheated on.  I believe that cheating is a bad habit that should be discouraged.  Academic honesty is not something to be taken lightly.  There is no 'truth' to what you say. 

Besides, if your career is set in stone, why would you jeopardize it by cheating?  Universities do not look kindly upon those actions.  And it does not matter if you will be using spanish or biology in your career of choice.  You are in a class that requires you to know it now, so it is your responsibility to learn it.

This reminds me of an old physics joke.

An annoying premed student was sitting in physics class when he raised his hand and asked his teacher, "Why do I need to know this stuff?".
"Because physics saves lives", the teacher responded.
"How does physics save lives?" asked the smart ass student.
"Physics saves lives," the professor said, "because it keeps certain people out of medical school."

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-04-07 20:29:33)

Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7015|Long Island, New York

nukchebi0 wrote:

I avoid girls? If you are reading the signature that poorly, then you absolutely no credibility when it comes to interpreting it.

- It says it pretty clear there, Admiral Stockdale.

Nice irrelevant statement. You posting a girl thread has anything to do with with pathetically calling me gay because you can't contain your anger or channel it more constructively and rationally. Please, please don't do that.

- You're the one fucking talking about it! Hoooooooooly shit.

I guess the world is too advanced for honesty.

- Ah yes, I'm morally corrupt and dishonest and I cheat the system by taking a glance at my vocab sheet. God damn me.

Oh noes. You missing 2 instead instead of none will make all the difference on a final grade. I don't seem to have a problem with this.

- Oh, so I should take a 94% or a 90% instead acing it? Yeah, strive for the best alright.

Exactly.

- lol, christian moral trips

Um, no.

- By saying that it pretty much proves you have nothing else to say. That was a very viable statement but you refuse to answer it. Answering "Um, no." actually doesn't even make sense when responding to that. Seems school's taught me a bit more than you, eh?
You come back to me when you have your life planned out until your 30's. I do. I know exactly what I'm doing, WHEN I'm doing it, and how I'm doing it. Sure, some minor things should change, but it's bascially what I'm doing, no bones about it. And so even THOUGH I have all this laid out...I'm a bad person because I got the answers to 8 vocab words. Well, alrighty then! Guess I'm a horrible person! 

I'd love to lay out the plan for you if you'd really like.

SenorToenails wrote:

How about phrasing things in a civil manner before expecting a conversation? 

Let me be clear on my stance here.  I don't care what your situation is.  I don't care what you have/have not cheated on.  I believe that cheating is a bad habit that should be discouraged.  Academic honesty is not something to be taken lightly.  There is no 'truth' to what you say. 

Besides, if your career is set in stone, why would you jeopardize it by cheating?  Universities do not look kindly upon those actions.  And it does not matter if you will be using spanish or biology in your career of choice.  You are in a class that requires you to know it now, so it is your responsibility to learn it.

This reminds me of an old physics joke.
It's not a habit, as I DON'T CONSISTENTELY DO IT!

How would I jeopardize my career by looking up 4 vocab words on a Spanish test? You're honestly gonna say I shouldn't ace the quiz because I forgot 2 or 3 words? LMAO. Wow.

Education system = FUBAR.

Last edited by Poseidon (2008-04-07 20:44:02)

HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6438|Washington DC
Toenails, I ask you to answer honestly... did you ever cheat at all? Be it a quick check of someone's answer to a question, or downright copying an essay?
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7015|Long Island, New York

HurricaИe wrote:

Toenails, I ask you to answer honestly... did you ever cheat at all? Be it a quick check of someone's answer to a question, or downright copying an essay?
No. They're perfect, remember?
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6607|North Tonawanda, NY

HurricaИe wrote:

Toenails, I ask you to answer honestly... did you ever cheat at all? Be it a quick check of someone's answer to a question, or downright copying an essay?
I answer you honestly.  No.  Never.  If I don't know, or can't figure it out, I take the hit to my grades.  That's just the way it works for me.  If I didn't accomplish it on my own, I don't deserve the grade.

Does this mean that I might not do as well as other people?  Sometimes.  Do I feel accomplished about my work?  Yes.

Poseidon wrote:

No. They're perfect, remember?
You presume to know too much.  My grades are not perfect, nor were they in high school.  But why would I want credit for something I didn't do?

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-04-07 20:49:03)

SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6607|North Tonawanda, NY

Poseidon wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

How about phrasing things in a civil manner before expecting a conversation? 

Let me be clear on my stance here.  I don't care what your situation is.  I don't care what you have/have not cheated on.  I believe that cheating is a bad habit that should be discouraged.  Academic honesty is not something to be taken lightly.  There is no 'truth' to what you say.

Besides, if your career is set in stone, why would you jeopardize it by cheating?  Universities do not look kindly upon those actions.  And it does not matter if you will be using spanish or biology in your career of choice.  You are in a class that requires you to know it now, so it is your responsibility to learn it.

This reminds me of an old physics joke.
It's not a habit, as I DON'T CONSISTENTELY DO IT!

How would I jeopardize my career by looking up 4 vocab words on a Spanish test? You're honestly gonna say I shouldn't ace the quiz because I forgot 2 or 3 words? LMAO. Wow.

Education system = FUBAR.
Read the emphasized portion above.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7015|Long Island, New York

SenorToenails wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

How about phrasing things in a civil manner before expecting a conversation? 

Let me be clear on my stance here.  I don't care what your situation is.  I don't care what you have/have not cheated on.  I believe that cheating is a bad habit that should be discouraged.  Academic honesty is not something to be taken lightly.  There is no 'truth' to what you say.

Besides, if your career is set in stone, why would you jeopardize it by cheating?  Universities do not look kindly upon those actions.  And it does not matter if you will be using spanish or biology in your career of choice.  You are in a class that requires you to know it now, so it is your responsibility to learn it.

This reminds me of an old physics joke.
It's not a habit, as I DON'T CONSISTENTELY DO IT!

How would I jeopardize my career by looking up 4 vocab words on a Spanish test? You're honestly gonna say I shouldn't ace the quiz because I forgot 2 or 3 words? LMAO. Wow.

Education system = FUBAR.
Read the emphasized portion above.
I did, and I responded. You refer to it as a habit. It's not. At all. I don't do it all the time, and in fact this whole school year I've done it twice on spanish QUIZZES. Oh wow. Fuck me sideways.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6607|North Tonawanda, NY

Poseidon wrote:

I did, and I responded. You refer to it as a habit. It's not. At all. I don't do it all the time, and in fact this whole school year I've done it twice on spanish QUIZZES. Oh wow. Fuck me sideways.
Good for you.  I see you basically misunderstood the majority of my posts in this thread.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7015|Long Island, New York

SenorToenails wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

I did, and I responded. You refer to it as a habit. It's not. At all. I don't do it all the time, and in fact this whole school year I've done it twice on spanish QUIZZES. Oh wow. Fuck me sideways.
Good for you.  I see you basically misunderstood the majority of my posts in this thread.
And I see you refuse to read mine. Guess we're equal then.

You called it a habit, AND IT'S NOT! Do I need to spoonfeed it to you?

If you wanna refuse my answers, well...that's your prerogative.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6607|North Tonawanda, NY

Poseidon wrote:

And I see you refuse to read mine. Guess we're equal then.

You called it a habit, AND IT'S NOT! Do I need to spoonfeed it to you?

If you wanna refuse my answers, well...that's your prerogative.
No.  I said repeatedly that I do not care what your situation is.  That means I do not care how often you cheat or why.

I said that cheating is a bad habit to form.  That does not imply that you cheat habitually.  You assume far too much here.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7015|Long Island, New York

SenorToenails wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

And I see you refuse to read mine. Guess we're equal then.

You called it a habit, AND IT'S NOT! Do I need to spoonfeed it to you?

If you wanna refuse my answers, well...that's your prerogative.
No.  I said repeatedly that I do not care what your situation is.  That means I do not care how often you cheat or why.

I said that cheating is a bad habit to form.  That does not imply that you cheat habitually.  You assume far too much here.
Well, you DID say it's a habit, did you not? Therefore you were the only one assuming. You said "cheating is a bad habit that should be discouraged". You can shape it however you want, but that's exactly what you said. It's sort of like the people who say people who smoke pot can't stop, or that people who play video games can't stop.

Keep trying to backpeddle, man. Not getting you anywhere.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6607|North Tonawanda, NY

Poseidon wrote:

Well, you DID say it's a habit, did you not? Therefore you were the only one assuming. You said "cheating is a bad habit that should be discouraged". You can shape it however you want, but that's exactly what you said. It's sort of like the people who say people who smoke pot can't stop, or that people who play video games can't stop.

Keep trying to backpeddle, man. Not getting you anywhere.
I meant exactly what I said.  Nothing more, nothing less.

You are the one making these 'connections'.

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-04-07 21:18:48)

Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7015|Long Island, New York

SenorToenails wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Well, you DID say it's a habit, did you not? Therefore you were the only one assuming. You said "cheating is a bad habit that should be discouraged". You can shape it however you want, but that's exactly what you said. It's sort of like the people who say people who smoke pot can't stop, or that people who play video games can't stop.

Keep trying to backpeddle, man. Not getting you anywhere.
I meant exactly what I said.  Nothing more, nothing less.
...well okay then. Agree to disagree, I suppose?
cowami
OY, BITCHTITS!
+1,106|6767|Noo Yawk, Noo Yawk

lolacademichonesty
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Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|7015|Long Island, New York

cowami wrote:

lolacademichonesty
quiet azn

go back to embry-ridd---oh wait, shit
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6607|North Tonawanda, NY

Poseidon wrote:

...well okay then. Agree to disagree, I suppose?
No.  I stand by everything I have said.

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