BF2S Forums Grat news! Germany finally goes against its own laws in favor of Islam

lowing wrote:

Morpheus1229 wrote:

lowing wrote:

Typical liberal, I refuse to stick my head in the sand.

So then go whine about it some internet message board.

Actually I was on my out to round them all up in the US and intern them in work camps, until I got around to killing them all. 

If ya don't wanna discuss the topic then you are here for...................................?

/facepalm



I did discuss the topic.

The topic was that people were upset that a school refused to grant a room, until a higher court told them to. I said i supported the court's ruling, stating that seperation of curch and state does not mean that state can ignore anything with religion in it, only that they can't force teachings onto people. I then said that this would be an issue if only one religious group were to use it, which is not the case.

lowing wrote:

link please stating that this prayer room is being used by everyone.

The prayer room doesn't exist lowing, that's the issue. If only everywhere could be like JFK airport.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-04-07 13:59:49)

CameronPoe wrote:

I can't believe I didn't look at this earlier. Direct from the US department of education website:

http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/relig … dance.html

"It has long been established that schools have the discretion to dismiss students to off-premises religious instruction, provided that schools do not encourage or discourage participation in such instruction or penalize students for attending or not attending. Similarly, schools may excuse students from class to remove a significant burden on their religious exercise, where doing so would not impose material burdens on other students. For example, it would be lawful for schools to excuse Muslim students briefly from class to enable them to fulfill their religious obligations to pray during Ramadan."

Does this mean USA is falling under the heathen sway of the Muslim horde?

Appeasing scum!

lowing wrote:

I don't give 2 flying fucks about anyone who wants to ditch class and go fuck off somewhere.

Well given that you started a thread about someone who wants to do exactly that I guess you're just plain lying on that score. Or perhaps you only care about things that happen inside Europe.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-04-08 00:14:25)

B.Schuss wrote:

just to clarify this: the court did not demand that a designated "prayer room" be set up. It only asked the school to provide a room for the student to pray in. This could be in an empty classroom during lunch break, or any other room in the building that is not used at that particular moment.

obviosuly, the situation could get more difficult if more students inquire about this, but from my experience, most young muslims here in germany, especially 2nd or 3rd generation, don't give a damn about praying in school. Influenced by pop culture and their playstations, most of them are just as secular and caught up in a western lifestyle as most of their fellow german youth.

Also, as has been discussed in the german media, it is well possible for a muslim to pray during times when it would not conflict with work or school duties, so I'd say with the exception of some traditional muslims, this is a non-issue. I guess we willl soon find out.

The wheels fell off lowings arguments pages ago. You can stop hammering nails into the coffin now....

CameronPoe wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

just to clarify this: the court did not demand that a designated "prayer room" be set up. It only asked the school to provide a room for the student to pray in. This could be in an empty classroom during lunch break, or any other room in the building that is not used at that particular moment.

obviosuly, the situation could get more difficult if more students inquire about this, but from my experience, most young muslims here in germany, especially 2nd or 3rd generation, don't give a damn about praying in school. Influenced by pop culture and their playstations, most of them are just as secular and caught up in a western lifestyle as most of their fellow german youth.

Also, as has been discussed in the german media, it is well possible for a muslim to pray during times when it would not conflict with work or school duties, so I'd say with the exception of some traditional muslims, this is a non-issue. I guess we willl soon find out.

The wheels fell off lowings arguments pages ago. You can stop hammering nails into the coffin now....

not hardly Cam, you arrogant fuck

This is probably a low point in lowings DST thread-making career.

CameronPoe wrote:

This is probably a low point in lowings DST thread-making career.

Cam, would care to respond to the post that you conviently cherry picked and left out the part of YOUR quote, stating "off premises instruction" which clearly goes against what is happening?

Braddock wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

This is probably a low point in lowings DST thread-making career.

Did you read his 'appeasement' post about the guy who wanted to do his driving exam in Farsi?

It figures, you would expect 1 nation to supply all forms and tests in each language in the world, and scream discrimination when Swahili isn't one of them. Much more sense than expecting anyone that has lived in this country for 15 years to speak the language. Get real

Also I will add that there are numerous adjectives that describe American, and ARROGANT is definitely one of the ones at the top of the list.

I know that if,as an American, I moved to France or Germany or Bum Fuck Egypt, I would be EXPECTED to assimilate into that culture. That means learning the customs and traditions of that society and certainly learn the language.

If I came on here and bitched that since I move to France, I can not get all govt. forms and tests translated into English so I can read them, or any such similar complaint, all of you on here would trash me as arrogant and self centered and would probably laugh me out of this forum. For some reason Americans are not to expect the same considerations from their immigrants. By doing so we are racist and bigots for suggesting that if you come here...... assimulate....Go figure huh

lowing wrote:

Oh is that what this said?


"It has long been established that schools have the discretion to dismiss students to OFF-PREMISIS religious instruction, provided that schools do not encourage or discourage participation in such instruction or penalize students for attending or not attending

"For example, it would be lawful for schools to excuse Muslim students briefly from class to enable them to fulfill their religious obligations to pray during Ramadan."

It's there in black and white on a US government website. Are you telling me your government is lying?

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-04-08 13:06:01)

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Oh is that what this said?


"It has long been established that schools have the discretion to dismiss students to OFF-PREMISIS religious instruction, provided that schools do not encourage or discourage participation in such instruction or penalize students for attending or not attending

"For example, it would be lawful for schools to excuse Muslim students briefly from class to enable them to fulfill their religious obligations to pray during Ramadan."

It's there in black and white on a US government website. Are you telling me your government is lying?

"OFF PREMISIS" Cam, not in another room

Does it matter where it's done? Your laws 'appease' Muslim religious practices, as you might put it. Fact. If I was craving a cigarette I could just tell the teacher I needed to pray to Mecca, go out and spark up at the gates...

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-04-08 13:12:58)

lowing wrote:

As long as you went outside Cam, as long as you went outside. Don't hit me with that does it matter bullshit, this your quote, and once it has been pointed out that it meant OFF the premisis you wanna say, "Does it matter"... yeah ok

Does the US legal system facilitate Muslim prayer during school hours? Yes or no.

Currently in Germany it's UNDER JUDICIAL REVIEW because of the conflict between church-state separation and freedom of religion.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-04-08 14:36:42)

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

As long as you went outside Cam, as long as you went outside. Don't hit me with that does it matter bullshit, this your quote, and once it has been pointed out that it meant OFF the premisis you wanna say, "Does it matter"... yeah ok

Does the US legal system facilitate Muslim prayer during school hours? Yes or no.

Currently in Germany it's UNDER JUDICIAL REVIEW because of the conflict between church-state separation and freedom of religion.

Is it ALLOWED IN SCHOOL YES OR NO!!

Under review. You'll have to wait for the court's verdict lowing. Not that I see the big deal in someone using a vacant room to mumble some hocus pocus to themselves if it ain't affecting anyone else. Now you answer...

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-04-08 16:22:59)