Does RAM really improve FPS?

2008-04-08 04:39:03

#26

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6839|NYC / Hamburg

Bradt3hleader wrote:
over 4000 francs doing upgrades and shit to my PC

Even my PC with a q6600, 4GB ram and dual 8800GTs came out to roughly 2k, damn

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2008-04-08 04:42:44

#27

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unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Your motherboard's edging on the old side, but that's an upgrade that can wait.

If money is a huge issue, you're probably better off with a Wii.

An ASUS P5B is not bottlenecking at all in this case. And don't assume every computer build has to be made with lots of money. You can get very decent performance with smaller amounts of cash.

VicktorVauhn wrote:
Um...I am gonna dissagree.

My last computer was a 2.4 P4, and while going from 1gig ram to 2 gig ram will really help a lot....in the end it will suck because the CPU isn't that great.

As I said. RAM is the more of an urgent problem.

VicktorVauhn wrote:
One reason they say you need a new mother board is because the CPU socket for a P4 and a dual core chip is different...you can't just upgrade the to a new CPU.

No. His motherboard has Socket LGA775. Your P4 was Socket 478, Brad's is 775.

VicktorVauhn wrote:
I would heavily reccoment that if you can limp along with what you have no you do it...and save your ass off for a new computer.

No. He will do fine with what I and Max pointed out.

CommieChipmunk wrote:
wait, if you have a P4, do you have DDR ram or DDR2 ram. Because if you're planning on upgrading to core 2 duo eventually, you'll have to buy a new motherboard and DDR2 ram anyway (assuming you have DDR) so you're essentially throwing money away if you get DDR ram now.

ASUS P5B as he said earlier. DDR2-800. Support for 45nm C2D.

@Op: A lot of talk here, but the option Max pointed and which you chose to believe is the right. You will already notice difference when you get the ram, and the CPU finally will make much more use of the 8800GT. Ignore the posts that say you should upgrade this and that, some people have money hanging in trees, unlike you.

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2008-04-08 04:49:09

#28

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6839|NYC / Hamburg

DeathUnlimited wrote:
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yes, the motherboard is OK. It doesn't have loads of the fancy features that other boards have, but will run C2Ds well. Overclocking possibilities might be a bit limited on that board but unless you are going for the super high clocks it should be sufficient.

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2008-04-08 06:45:55

#29

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6469|Winland

DeathUnlimited wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Your motherboard's edging on the old side, but that's an upgrade that can wait.

If money is a huge issue, you're probably better off with a Wii.
An ASUS P5B is not bottlenecking at all in this case. And don't assume every computer build has to be made with lots of money. You can get very decent performance with smaller amounts of cash.
VicktorVauhn wrote:
Um...I am gonna dissagree.

My last computer was a 2.4 P4, and while going from 1gig ram to 2 gig ram will really help a lot....in the end it will suck because the CPU isn't that great.
As I said. RAM is the more of an urgent problem.
VicktorVauhn wrote:
One reason they say you need a new mother board is because the CPU socket for a P4 and a dual core chip is different...you can't just upgrade the to a new CPU.
No. His motherboard has Socket LGA775. Your P4 was Socket 478, Brad's is 775.
VicktorVauhn wrote:
I would heavily reccoment that if you can limp along with what you have no you do it...and save your ass off for a new computer.
No. He will do fine with what I and Max pointed out.
CommieChipmunk wrote:
wait, if you have a P4, do you have DDR ram or DDR2 ram. Because if you're planning on upgrading to core 2 duo eventually, you'll have to buy a new motherboard and DDR2 ram anyway (assuming you have DDR) so you're essentially throwing money away if you get DDR ram now.
ASUS P5B as he said earlier. DDR2-800. Support for 45nm C2D.

@Op: A lot of talk here, but the option Max pointed and which you chose to believe is the right. You will already notice difference when you get the ram, and the CPU finally will make much more use of the 8800GT. Ignore the posts that say you should upgrade this and that, some people have money hanging in trees, unlike you.

This is truth. Many other things in this thread aren't too helpful. P4 CPUs are decent if used correctly. I don't know how many times I can point this out. What people (still) seem to think of when they hear 'P4' is the Willamette. The very first generation of P4, which sucked major ass. The performance of the P4 improved greatly with the second generation, Northwood, and another 10% with Prescott and FSB800. His CPU can propably be clocked beyond 4GHz if it's over 2.6GHz. I run a P4 3GHz on 4.2, and even on 3GHz, my graphics card (Basically a 7600GT) is the limiting factor. For games, even superclocked P4s will do fairly good.

Yes, I know saying that a 7600 series graphics card is the limiting factor doesn't say much, but it wouldn't bottleneck my 7900GTX when I had that, running at 3.3GHz. The performance gain in ocing P4s is huge.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-04-08 07:10:58

#30

Bradt3hleader: Care [ ] - Don't care [x]; +121|6208

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
Bradt3hleader wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
If you're going to ask for help, stop second-guessing everything, or just ask your friends. RAM's the biggest issue here, but you could use a better CPU if you want to see justice done for your 8800GT. Your motherboard's edging on the old side, but that's an upgrade that can wait.

If money is a huge issue, you're probably better off with a Wii.
Ok so I'll get more RAM...this week. Thanks

And I'll save up for another CPU.

I've spent over 4000 francs doing upgrades and shit to my PC. And of course I could have goten two good gaming PCs for that but my parents don't see it that way.

....I'm going to yell so foking loud....
Notate the inflated expenses accrued for upgrades in comparison to the superior performance of a whole unit that will ultimately cost less. On paper. You can nickel and dime yourself to death with upgrades, and most of the time anything you get is going to be bottlenecked by 80% of the rest of your rig.

Or explain to them that it's like a car. At the point where you're constantly replacing parts here and there to keep the thing running satisfactorily, you might as well have sold it and bought another.

Or do odd jobs around your neighborhood and make your own money to subsidize computer-related purchases.

Something like this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6883103133) could play BF2/2142 with contemptuous ease. You could rip out the video card it comes with and replace it with your 8800GT.

VicktorVauhn wrote:
My computer was APG only...so that made it a little worse...But trying to drag the old computer along into the future will just have you buy part after part until you realize its hopeless.
It can be difficult to explain this to people until they see it on paper.

Yeah ok, but I need s swiss site. I'm thinking of this. http://pixel-informatique.ch/ bottom of page!

I don't know if my cooling system is good. But I'd love to overclock my P4 3.00 GHz to 4 like you guys said!

Last edited by Bradt3hleader (2008-04-08 07:15:12)

2008-04-09 03:36:19

#31

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6735|cuntshitlake

Bradt3hleader wrote:
I don't know if my cooling system is good. But I'd love to overclock my P4 3.00 GHz to 4 like you guys said!

http://pixel-informatique.ch/produits.p … ;cat=11731 - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro. Great value. The P5B will not let you do extreme OC, but you might be able to hit the 4GHz mark.

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2008-04-09 05:49:13

#32

Bradt3hleader: Care [ ] - Don't care [x]; +121|6208

DeathUnlimited wrote:
Bradt3hleader wrote:
I don't know if my cooling system is good. But I'd love to overclock my P4 3.00 GHz to 4 like you guys said!
http://pixel-informatique.ch/produits.p … ;cat=11731 - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro. Great value. The P5B will not let you do extreme OC, but you might be able to hit the 4GHz mark.

Looks perfect, great price. But how can I tell what the one I already have is? Incase it's just as good or better....or shit.

I also have something called "Speed Fan" but I can't figure it out. Here are the readings: System average 37°C - CPU 50°C - AUX 122°C WTF? - HD0 39°C

2008-04-09 06:35:52

#33

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6735|cuntshitlake

Bradt3hleader wrote:
DeathUnlimited wrote:
Bradt3hleader wrote:
I don't know if my cooling system is good. But I'd love to overclock my P4 3.00 GHz to 4 like you guys said!
http://pixel-informatique.ch/produits.p … ;cat=11731 - Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 Pro. Great value. The P5B will not let you do extreme OC, but you might be able to hit the 4GHz mark.
Looks perfect, great price. But how can I tell what the one I already have is? Incase it's just as good or better....or shit.

I also have something called "Speed Fan" but I can't figure it out. Here are the readings: System average 37°C - CPU 50°C - AUX 122°C WTF? - HD0 39°C

You probably have a stock cooler.

As for the speedfan readings, could you take a screenshot and post it here?

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2008-04-09 06:44:36

#34

Bradt3hleader: Care [ ] - Don't care [x]; +121|6208

RGR THAT!!!

https://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176/Swiss-Brad/WTF.jpg

CLICK CLICK I DARE YOU

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2008-04-09 07:12:57

#35

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6469|Winland

Bradt3hleader wrote:
RGR THAT!!!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176 … ad/WTF.jpg

CLICK CLICK I DARE YOU

"démarrer"... The french truly are gay.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-04-09 08:21:50

#36

Bradt3hleader: Care [ ] - Don't care [x]; +121|6208

Freezer7Pro wrote:
Bradt3hleader wrote:
RGR THAT!!!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176 … ad/WTF.jpg

CLICK CLICK I DARE YOU
"démarrer"... The french truly are gay.

I'm not French, I'm Swiss.

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2008-04-09 08:29:30

#37

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6469|Winland

Bradt3hleader wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
Bradt3hleader wrote:
RGR THAT!!!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176 … ad/WTF.jpg

CLICK CLICK I DARE YOU
"démarrer"... The french truly are gay.

I'm not French, I'm Swiss. And I lived in the U.S.A. for 4 years. Hence I don't like these coutries either. Now please shut up and say something cunstructive instead of insulting.

Dude, it's called a joke, and if you look above, you'll see an 11-sentence constructive post by me. The picture says your Windows language is french. Besides, if you're not french, why get offended?

EDIT: Too slow.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-04-09 08:30:33)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-04-09 08:38:06

#38

Bradt3hleader: Care [ ] - Don't care [x]; +121|6208

Freezer7Pro wrote:
Bradt3hleader wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:

"démarrer"... The french truly are gay.

I'm not French, I'm Swiss. And I lived in the U.S.A. for 4 years. Hence I don't like these coutries either. Now please shut up and say something cunstructive instead of insulting.
Dude, it's called a joke, and if you look above, you'll see an 11-sentence constructive post by me. The picture says your Windows language is french. Besides, if you're not french, why get offended?

EDIT: Too slow.

Sorry didn't read every post. Thanks

lol though, I have to say myself the LANGUAGE is fucking gay!

2008-04-09 12:47:12

#39

Stimey: +786|6392|Ontario | Canada

Bradt3hleader wrote:
RGR THAT!!!

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CLICK CLICK I DARE YOU

Apparently your 8800gt is the 256mb version, shoulda got the 512.
That may be 1 reason as to why its so slow.

2008-04-10 08:09:23

#40

Bradt3hleader: Care [ ] - Don't care [x]; +121|6208

Stimey wrote:
Bradt3hleader wrote:
RGR THAT!!!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176 … ad/WTF.jpg

CLICK CLICK I DARE YOU
Apparently your 8800gt is the 256mb version, shoulda got the 512.
That may be 1 reason as to why its so slow.

Shit...

Once again I fuck up, can't I do anything right FFS. I said I want an Nvidia 8800GT and the PC guys gives me a 256mb one...which I though was the only type...

2008-04-10 08:20:53

#41

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6735|cuntshitlake

Bradt3hleader wrote:
Stimey wrote:
Bradt3hleader wrote:
RGR THAT!!!

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u176 … ad/WTF.jpg

CLICK CLICK I DARE YOU
Apparently your 8800gt is the 256mb version, shoulda got the 512.
That may be 1 reason as to why its so slow.
Shit...

Once again I fuck up, can't I do anything right FFS. I said I want an Nvidia 8800GT and the PC guys gives me a 256mb one...which I though was the only type...

http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/xfx … page16.asp

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2008-04-10 08:36:29

#42

Bradt3hleader: Care [ ] - Don't care [x]; +121|6208

Well, can I at least play on high settings with a 256mb and have at least 60+ FPS in a fight with 1280x1024 ?

2008-04-10 09:12:18

#43

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6735|cuntshitlake

Bradt3hleader wrote:
Well, can I at least play on high settings with a 256mb and have at least 60+ FPS in a fight with 1280x1024 ?

Yes, should be able to do that just fine in CoD4, even with AA & AF.

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2008-04-10 09:55:23

#44

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6469|Winland

DeathUnlimited wrote:
Bradt3hleader wrote:
Well, can I at least play on high settings with a 256mb and have at least 60+ FPS in a fight with 1280x1024 ?
Yes, should be able to do that just fine in CoD4, even with AA & AF.

Yes. 256MB isn't that big of a deal, it'll only become apparent in higher resolutions.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-04-10 09:59:49

#45

kylef: Gone; +1,352|6765|N. Ireland

Any resolution above 1280x1024 / 1440x900 and a 256MB will perhaps struggle a bit. But if you are running them at those resolutions or less; then it should be fine.

2008-04-10 10:58:33

#46

Bradt3hleader: Care [ ] - Don't care [x]; +121|6208

woot

So here's the update I'll have, don't get too jeleous guys!!!!

P4 (3GHz)
ASUS nVIDIA 8800GT 256mb
104gb hard drive (Who needs more?)
2GB DDR2 RAM
l33tz0r G9 mouse
G11Keyboard
Windows XP

/sarcasm

What do ya'll think of this for COD4/BF2/ArmA/BF2142?

2008-04-10 11:20:46

#47

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6469|Winland

Bradt3hleader wrote:
woot

So here's the update I'll have, don't get too jeleous guys!!!!

P4 (3GHz)
ASUS nVIDIA 8800GT 256mb
104gb hard drive (Who needs more?)
2GB DDR2 RAM
l33tz0r G9 mouse
G11Keyboard
Windows XP

/sarcasm

What do ya'll think of this for COD4/BF2/ArmA/BF2142?

P4 (4.2GHz)
ASUS nVidia 7600GS 256MB
160GB hard drive (80GB free after many months )
2GB DDR2 RAM
l33tz0r MX518 mouse, dying.
G11 keyboard
Windows XP

I am jealous, I want your graphics card. I won't be able to upgrade mine for a very long time.

Also, I'll cover for DU:

P3 (0.93GHz)
nVidia GeForce 4MX 64MB
46GB hard drive (Who needs more?)
384MB SDRAM
Ball mouse
Dunno keyboard
Windows 2000

And if you either oc your current CPU, or get a new one, it's gonna be fine.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-04-10 11:23:01

#48

Bradt3hleader: Care [ ] - Don't care [x]; +121|6208

Freezer7Pro wrote:
Bradt3hleader wrote:
woot

So here's the update I'll have, don't get too jeleous guys!!!!

P4 (3GHz)
ASUS nVIDIA 8800GT 256mb
104gb hard drive (Who needs more?)
2GB DDR2 RAM
l33tz0r G9 mouse
G11Keyboard
Windows XP

/sarcasm

What do ya'll think of this for COD4/BF2/ArmA/BF2142?
P4 (4.2GHz)
ASUS nVidia 7600GS 256MB
160GB hard drive (80GB free after many months )
2GB DDR2 RAM
l33tz0r MX518 mouse, dying.
G11 keyboard
Windows XP

I am jealous, I want your graphics card. I won't be able to upgrade mine for a very long time.

Also, I'll cover for DU:

P3 (0.93GHz)
nVidia GeForce 4MX 64MB
46GB hard drive (Who needs more?)
384MB SDRAM
Ball mouse
Dunno keyboard
Windows 2000

And if you either oc your current CPU, or get a new one, it's gonna be fine.

Haha nice, but I wana get my P4 to do that much GHz, teech me your l33t ways

2008-04-10 11:28:44

#49

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6735|cuntshitlake

Freezer7Pro wrote:
Also, I'll cover for DU:

P3 (0.93GHz)
nVidia GeForce 4MX 64MB
46GB hard drive (Who needs more?)
384MB SDRAM
Ball mouse
Dunno keyboard
Windows 2000

PUNK. I'm not using that crappy stuff.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
I have XP

Also, a random Dell keyboard

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2008-04-10 11:44:47

#50

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6469|Winland

Bradt3hleader wrote:
Freezer7Pro wrote:
Bradt3hleader wrote:
woot

So here's the update I'll have, don't get too jeleous guys!!!!

P4 (3GHz)
ASUS nVIDIA 8800GT 256mb
104gb hard drive (Who needs more?)
2GB DDR2 RAM
l33tz0r G9 mouse
G11Keyboard
Windows XP

/sarcasm

What do ya'll think of this for COD4/BF2/ArmA/BF2142?
P4 (4.2GHz)
ASUS nVidia 7600GS 256MB
160GB hard drive (80GB free after many months )
2GB DDR2 RAM
l33tz0r MX518 mouse, dying.
G11 keyboard
Windows XP

I am jealous, I want your graphics card. I won't be able to upgrade mine for a very long time.

Also, I'll cover for DU:

P3 (0.93GHz)
nVidia GeForce 4MX 64MB
46GB hard drive (Who needs more?)
384MB SDRAM
Ball mouse
Dunno keyboard
Windows 2000

And if you either oc your current CPU, or get a new one, it's gonna be fine.
Haha nice, but I wana get my P4 to do that much GHz, teech me your l33t ways

Shouldn't be too hard. Just yank the VCore up to 1.6, decrease the multiplier to 14 and the FSB to 286. Make sure the RAM isn't all too clocked. Should work if your CPU is the same stepping as mine. CPU-Z screen, please.

@DU: Lulz

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

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