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Zimmer wrote:

Honestly, if I was in a city, I would want an automatic gearbox.

Any other place manual is better. But in large cities, automatic is the way to go.

its not as bad as you think, unless there's hills. then its a nightmare.


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Spider1980 wrote:

Manual is only good if your racing a road course to keep high RPM's when going around corners.

Automatic is good for daily driving and drag racing.

Who drives in the city so fast and aggressively that you need a manual to always have those high RPM's?

People who say Automatics suck are people who try to make themselves looks better by assuming it's so much harder to drive a manual so they think automatically they have such higher driving skills.... riiiiiiiiiiiiight.........

This is the year 2008 when don't need to manual shift all the fucking time, just gas and brake.

Manual doesn't make the car preform any better, it's all in the driver and the knowledge of the vehicle that hes driving.

So tired or hearing the automatic vs. stick garble...

actually, it does make the car perform better. stick shifts get better gas mileage and accelerate faster.

and nobody is that elitist about it. most of us like it because its a more interesting drive.

automatic is great for places like new york or LA where you're in constant bumper to bumper, but most of us live elsewhere and stick shift is more practical and its cheaper than an automatic too.

most new automatics hold high RPMs fine, esp. the ones with built in semiautomatics.

but honestly, the way you complain about it makes it sound like you secretly wish you could drive a manual but you're afraid it would be too hard. its not. its actually pretty fucking easy to learn.

Last edited by Ender2309 (2008-04-08 19:07:25)

Spider1980 wrote:

Manual is only good if your racing a road course to keep high RPM's when going around corners.

Automatic is good for daily driving and drag racing.

Who drives in the city so fast and aggressively that you need a manual to always have those high RPM's?

People who say Automatics suck are people who try to make themselves looks better by assuming it's so much harder to drive a manual so they think automatically they have such higher driving skills.... riiiiiiiiiiiiight.........

This is the year 2008 when don't need to manual shift all the fucking time, just gas and brake.

Manual doesn't make the car preform any better, it's all in the driver and the knowledge of the vehicle that hes driving.

So tired or hearing the automatic vs. stick garble...

All Wrong. A manual gearbox transfers the power from the engine to the wheels a lot more efficiently which means you get a boost in power, reaction time and fuel economy. In all aspects you'll see about a 10-20% increase using a manual.

In a manual you more control of your speed and revs and can control the cars speed without having to use the brakes (your brakes now last longer). An automatic is also a reactive gearbox, as it wont change gears until some predetermined point (and will change them when that point is reached), causing unnecessary or unwanted gear changes. Such as going down a hill, you'll gain speed with little effort and the car while change up gears, then when you hit the bottom and start going up the hill, the car starts to struggle and changes down again. In a manual you know what to expect and can hold the gear your in, making the cars engine and gear box work more efficiently, a manual is proactive.

A manual will also force you to not use left foot braking (a bad technique, baring some racing). A manual is harder to learn, but changing gears becomes like second nature after a while and you don't even think about it. Someone who only drives automatics, are not necessarily worse drivers or have lower skills, but they are lazy and in most cases (such as yourself) ignorant and stubborn.

I had a friend who thought like you did. He thought that manuals were only any good for racing and automatics were what should be used as everyday cars. i had the same arguments with him, (none of which he really cared about) so the discussion never really came to conclusion. But then he went away on holiday for a week with his family and they took a manual car, which his dad thought him how to drive. The first thing he said when I saw him again was:

"I'm never driving an automatic again in my life"

I don't know one person who has driven a manual car who prefers (or swears by) automatics, they all agree that a manual is a much better, and that even includes my mum and grandparents who are/were the most boring drivers ever. In the end my grandparents had to get an automatic because of arthritis and the pain of pushing the clutch peddle, but they all prefer manuals and for very good reason.

SenorToenails wrote:

Someday, I would like to get better at driving a manual since I currently suck at it.  No one I know owns a manual, so there is really no place to learn.

go to a car mart and ask to test drive something they have in a manual (Scope the cars first).

SenorToenails wrote:

Ender2309 wrote:

go to a car mart and ask to test drive something they have in a manual (Scope the cars first).

haha, for some reason I never thought of that.  Good idea.

thanks.

Ayumiz wrote:

I personally never driven an auto car. Why the hell do i want my gearbox to move the car? I'll rather control it with my clutch.

Last I checked your clutch pedal disengaged the drivetrain, that's a far cry from 'controlling' the car.

BlackKoala wrote:

DrunkFace wrote:

I don't know one person who has driven a manual car who prefers (or swears by) automatics, they all agree that a manual is a much better, and that even includes my mum and grandparents who are/were the most boring drivers ever. In the end my grandparents had to get an automatic because of arthritis and the pain of pushing the clutch peddle, but they all prefer manuals and for very good reason.

I know plenty, and it's all preference.  Both of my parents drove sticks for 25 years, and neither wants to do it again  -  they both have automatic vehicles.  I've driven a stick, and it's not my first choice either.  I want to hit the gas pedal and go, I don't always feel like jacking with a clutch and shifting. 

It
s all preference, and has quite a bit to do with where you were raised.  Europeans are more likely going to be stick fans; the US more towards auto.

i have to agree with this entirely. my dad's driven stick for 40 years, and he got his first automatic and now he swears by it, even though he's driven my mom's automatic all the time. i think its because of arthritis, but he won't admit to it.

sometimes the clutch is a bitch to operate, true. it really all comes down to preference, unless you're an insanely frugal person willing to do something you hate to save a few bucks.

Spider1980 wrote:

People who say Automatics suck are people who try to make themselves looks better by assuming it's so much harder to drive a manual so they think automatically they have such higher driving skills.... riiiiiiiiiiiiight.........

You think drag racing is a way to prove driving skill...