new rig - opinions needed

2008-04-10 04:36:59

#1

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7113|Cologne, Germany

I am looking to build myself a new rig, as my current PC is almost 4 years old now.

planned:

Intel Q9300 CPU - 245,00 €
4GB OCZ DDR3 1333, PC3-10666, CL9-9-9-26, 1.7-1.9V, 2x2GB, Gold - 233,90 €
Abit IX38 QuadGT - 154,90 €
Asus EAH3870X2/G/HTDI - 339,90 €
2 x Samsung HD252KJ 250GB, 16mb Cache, in RAID 1 setup ( I don't need more memory ) - 91,80 €
Be quiet! 750Watt power supply - 159,90 €
Scythe Orochi/ Scythe Ninja / Thermalright HR-01 plus / Thermalright ultra 120 + some 120mmm fan - yet undecided, around 50 €
Plextor PX-810SA - 69,90 €

total: 1.345,30 €

I'll probably continue to use my old aluminium case, with 4 system fans. it has served me well, although it is not really quiet.
as an alternative, I am thinking of the Lian Li PC-7 SE-B III case, plus silent kit, that's another 133,90 €.

As I have set myself a upper limit of 1.500,00 €, I should be fine. whatcha think ?

2008-04-10 04:39:04

#2

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6686|Finland

WOAH awsome! <3 That PSU is awsome. I have it and I love it!

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2008-04-10 04:43:05

#3

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6921

I'd get some different RAM, those timings are crazily high, even by DDR3 standards. That said, it may cost quite a bit more.

2008-04-10 04:43:06

#4

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6839|NYC / Hamburg

looking good. Sure you want RAID1? It will hurt performance. IMO doing backups to another PC/NAS is the much better solution if you don't need 100% uptime. If windows corrupts some data raid1 won't help you at all.

EDIT: oh yeah, ram isn't compatible, not good

Last edited by max (2008-04-10 04:45:55)

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2008-04-10 04:44:06

#5

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7113|Cologne, Germany

yeah, those be quiet! PSU's are awesome

this will be the third PC I build myself, but it'll be the first with intel CPU. Up until now, I have only built AMD systems. Although I have to admit, the AMD Phenom 9850 looks great, and it is cheaper than the Q9300. Would you think it'd make a real difference, with regard to the overall sytem setup ?

2008-04-10 04:44:07

#6

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7028|Scotland

Everything but the motherboard is cool.
Also, I would have gotten an OCZ PSU. Probably one of the best out there, and cheaper than that.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … mp;subcat=

As for a motherboard :
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … subcat=946
or
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … subcat=946

Those mobos are excellent, the Gigabyte especially.

2008-04-10 04:44:20

#7

aimless: Member; +166|6396|Texas

The Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme is one of the greatest air coolers around. I definately recommend it.

2008-04-10 04:44:31

#8

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6686|Finland

yeah that ram doesn't work on the abit... it is DDR2 board

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-04-10 04:49:12)

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2008-04-10 04:46:51

#9

max: Vela Incident; +1,652|6839|NYC / Hamburg

concerning RAM, just get some decent DDR2-800, DDR3 is just too expensive and offers nearly no performance difference

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2008-04-10 04:47:43

#10

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7028|Scotland

B.Schuss wrote:
yeah, those be quiet! PSU's are awesome

this will be the third PC I build myself, but it'll be the first with intel CPU. Up until now, I have only built AMD systems. Although I have to admit, the AMD Phenom 9850 looks great, and it is cheaper than the Q9300. Would you think it'd make a real difference, with regard to the overall sytem setup ?

Yes, Phenoms are shit.

A Q6600 beats them in performance and even C2Ds beat them in certain aspects. Don't touch them yet.
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007. … ;chart=437

2008-04-10 04:49:18

#11

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6686|Finland

and yeah I have to agree with zimmer on the mobo after reading this review....
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2007/1 … _quadgt/10

Get the Asus P5E X38 instead with nice DDR2 ram.

those bequiet! PSUs are highly ranked and are pretty much the best of the best.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-04-10 04:50:35)

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2008-04-10 04:51:56

#12

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7113|Cologne, Germany

Zimmer wrote:
Everything but the motherboard is cool.
Also, I would have gotten an OCZ PSU. Probably one of the best out there, and cheaper than that.
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … mp;subcat=

As for a motherboard :
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … subcat=946
or
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu … subcat=946

Those mobos are excellent, the Gigabyte especially.

well, all my systems were based on abit mobo's so far, and I haven't had any problems. But yeah, I could opt for the Gigabyte, and switch to DDR2 at the same time, which would reduce timings and unit price, too.

OCZ 4GB DDR2 1066, PC2-8500, CL5-5-5-18, 2.1-2.15V, Platin, 2x2GB, is at 104,90 €
the gigabyte mobo is at 144,90 € here.

2008-04-10 04:53:20

#13

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7028|Scotland

Tbh, spending that much more on a PSU is not worth it, when OCZ are awesome.

2008-04-10 04:54:10

#14

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7113|Cologne, Germany

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
yeah that ram doesn't work on the abit... it is DDR2 board

damn it, you're right. well, it's the gigabyte or asus board then, with DDR2 RAM.

updated list:

Intel Q9300 CPU - 245,00 €
4GB Corsair DDR2 1066, PC2-8500, CL5-5-5-15, 2.1V, DHX Dominator, 2x2GB - 139,90 €
Gigabyte GA-X38-DS4 Intel X38 - 144,90 €
Asus EAH3870X2/G/HTDI - 339,90 €
2 x Samsung HD252KJ 250GB, 16mb Cache - 91,80 €
Be quiet! 750Watt power supply - 159,90 €
Scythe Orochi/ Scythe Ninja / Thermalright HR-01 plus / Thermalright ultra 120 + some 120mmm fan - yet undecided, around 50 €
Plextor PX-810SA - 69,90 €

total: 1.241,30 €

I dropped the RAID. seemed useless after all. But I thought about isntalling OS and Apps to two different physical HD's.

btw, it seems neither the Asus P5e X38, nor the gigabyte Ga-X38-DS4 will support 2x2GB RAM AT ALL, at least I could find none on the QVL. Whats the deal with that ?

2008-04-10 04:54:44

#15

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6686|Finland

Zimmer wrote:
Tbh, spending that much more on a PSU is not worth it, when OCZ are awesome.

do OCZs have 8pin PCI-e connectors?

edit: and bequiet! is less noisy. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/beQu … 50W/5.html

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-04-10 04:56:38)

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2008-04-10 04:58:39

#16

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7028|Scotland

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Zimmer wrote:
Tbh, spending that much more on a PSU is not worth it, when OCZ are awesome.
do OCZs have 8pin PCI-e connectors?

edit: and bequiet! is less noisy. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/beQu … 50W/5.html

Why would you need an 8pin connector?

2008-04-10 04:59:12

#17

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6686|Finland

Zimmer wrote:
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Zimmer wrote:
Tbh, spending that much more on a PSU is not worth it, when OCZ are awesome.
do OCZs have 8pin PCI-e connectors?

edit: and bequiet! is less noisy. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/beQu … 50W/5.html
Why would you need an 8pin connector?

the HD3870x2 has 8pin PCI-e connector

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2008-04-10 05:04:05

#18

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|7028|Scotland

Wow, that's balls. So you are telling me that half the PSUs are not compatible with that GFX? How pointless.
Edit : wait.... 6+2Pin = 8pin. Yes?

2008-04-10 05:05:30

#19

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6686|Finland

Zimmer wrote:
Wow, that's balls. So you are telling me that half the mobos are not compatible with that GFX? How pointless.

mobos? and the card works with 2x 6pins but CCC overclocking is disabled. Since he is getting new PSU I recommend getting one with 8pin connectors since that is what they'll use more in teh future.

edit: yeah 6+2

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2008-04-10 05:06:00)

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2008-04-10 05:09:36

#20

DUnlimited: got any popo lolo intersting?; +1,160|6735|cuntshitlake

I sure wouldn't go for DDR3 yet, and that motherboard is also DDR2...

I'd say get something like OCZ Reaper edition 1066MHz DDR2 or Corsair Dominator 1066MHz.

EDIT: Damn how was I this slow..

Last edited by DeathUnlimited (2008-04-10 05:12:19)

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2008-04-10 05:09:56

#21

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6469|Winland

I pretty much agree with most posts above; DDR2 is the way to go. Otherways

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-04-10 05:25:30

#22

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7113|Cologne, Germany

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Zimmer wrote:
Wow, that's balls. So you are telling me that half the mobos are not compatible with that GFX? How pointless.
mobos? and the card works with 2x 6pins but CCC overclocking is disabled. Since he is getting new PSU I recommend getting one with 8pin connectors since that is what they'll use more in teh future.

edit: yeah 6+2

yup, the be quiet! PSU has the 8-pin pci-e connectors, and from a financial point of view, a comparable OCZ PSU ain't much cheaper, for example the OCZ ModXStream 780 Watt Modular Gaming PSU is at 149,90 €.

2008-04-10 05:41:59

#23

B.Schuss: I'm back, baby... ( sort of ); +664|7113|Cologne, Germany

if I am not going to go with a 1333 FSB board/RAM, would it be advisable to ditch the Q9300, and opt for a Q6600 ? That is only at around 200,00 €, and has 1066 FSB. I mean, why buy a FSB 1333 CPU if you don't have the board and RAM to support it ?

the alternative would be to go all in and set up a DDR3 rig throughout, for example:

intel Q9300 cpu - 245,00 €
Gigabyte GA-EX38T-DQ6 board - 209,90 €
OCZ 4GB DDR3 1333, PC3-10666, CL6-5-5-18, 1.85-1.9V, Reaper HPC Heatpipe, 2x2GB - 389,90 € <--- acceptable timings ?

that would be a total of 1.556,30 € ( including the other components from above ). Not bad, I'd say, and pretty close to my budget.

But you are saying DDR3 is useless at the moment, as it is not really that much faster than DDR2, and way too expensive ?

2008-04-10 05:58:19

#24

Bell: Frosties > Cornflakes; +362|6821|UK

B.Schuss wrote:
if I am not going to go with a 1333 FSB board/RAM, would it be advisable to ditch the Q9300, and opt for a Q6600 ? That is only at around 200,00 €, and has 1066 FSB. I mean, why buy a FSB 1333 CPU if you don't have the board and RAM to support it ?

You could OC it to remove that 'problem'

I would perhaps swap the RAM with Corsair Dominator 1066, and keep the Q6600 and DQ6 mobo (great mobo choice btw ).

Martyn

2008-04-10 08:48:33

#25

kylef: Gone; +1,352|6765|N. Ireland

B.Schuss wrote:
Intel Q9300 CPU - 245,00 €
4GB Corsair DDR2 1066, PC2-8500, CL5-5-5-15, 2.1V, DHX Dominator, 2x2GB - 139,90 €
Gigabyte GA-X38-DS4 Intel X38 - 144,90 €
Asus EAH3870X2/G/HTDI - 339,90 €
2 x Samsung HD252KJ 250GB, 16mb Cache - 91,80 €
Be quiet! 750Watt power supply - 159,90 €
Scythe Orochi/ Scythe Ninja / Thermalright HR-01 plus / Thermalright ultra 120 + some 120mmm fan - yet undecided, around 50 €
Plextor PX-810SA - 69,90 €

total: 1.241,30 €

I dropped the RAID.

CPU is a real powerful thing! Hope it isn't an overkill Memory is great, I've used Corsair many times and have nothing bar praise to say about them. The motherboard is also good - although did I read you are going DDR3? Regarding the video cards, very nice! Although perhaps take a look into nVidia DX10 range to see if you can save a bit and get almost the same performance. Drives are excellent - Samsung are really great. I've had a SpinPoint T running pretty heavily for...geez...2 and a half years! It has never failed and is only now starting to feel a little slow in response. I haven't heard of the PSU brand but if the specs are right and reviews say it is good then go for it.

Overall, quite nice. If investing in a case at a later date, I definitely recommend Antec / Lian-Li.

Overall, very nice!

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