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Will Islam Take Over Europe?

Yes27%27% - 26
No72%72% - 70
Total: 96
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7077|USA

B.Schuss wrote:

lowing wrote:

...The reason we are being chocked with PC is the fact that our laws and traditions and customs, morality and fredoms are Christian based with Christian values. For religious and non-religious people to easily follow. When our  freedoms were established, they were written for white men it did not take into account the lopsided and oppressive bullshit that is Islam or the illegal immigration that is Mexico. Since our Constitution was written it has been ammended to include women and minorities, still not including the the oppressive Islam or illegal aliens. Now, however, with the influx of Islam and Mexico, our own words are being used against us, and we have no choice but to include Islam and Mexicans and their bullshit. Our society was not meant to, or evolved to accomadate such a fucked up intolerant religion or immigration in the manner of which Mexicans are conducting. But never the less, here we are trying adhere to our Constitution and honor it, while getting fucked over by those that want to come here and take advantage of the fact that we are..
I agree to some extent. However, and I think you realize this, that is exactly the dilemma that all open, liberal, tolerant, democratic societies face these days, be it the US or any western country in europe.
But I'd rather live in a democratic and free society and live with the downsides, than discriminate against or exclude any ethnic or religious group from the ooportunities that those societies present. Because that would be a direct violation of the principles that we hold in such high regard.

Integration is not a one-way street. Just as much as the immigrants need to do their part to integrate themselves into our society, we need to do our part making them feel at home, and welcome.
I do not feel we should be obligated to include any illegal immigrant or religion that will send us spiraling off the track of progress. There's nothing positive or good that can come from introducing an illegal Mexican invasion, or an intolerant religion, into a tolerant society.

I do not believe we should be obligated to accommodate ANYONE that moves here permanently, chooses to set up their own society within ours, rather than assimilate into mainstream society. I do not feel an obligation should be made to those that come here to take advantage of tax breaks and govt. incentives with no intention of contributing to that society, but rather send all earnings home.

Or are you saying you would have no problem with me doing these things to your country? Keep in mind that I would fully expect your society to accommodate my intentions fully, or  I will label you a Nazi.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6716|Éire

lowing wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

lowing wrote:

...The reason we are being chocked with PC is the fact that our laws and traditions and customs, morality and fredoms are Christian based with Christian values. For religious and non-religious people to easily follow. When our  freedoms were established, they were written for white men it did not take into account the lopsided and oppressive bullshit that is Islam or the illegal immigration that is Mexico. Since our Constitution was written it has been ammended to include women and minorities, still not including the the oppressive Islam or illegal aliens. Now, however, with the influx of Islam and Mexico, our own words are being used against us, and we have no choice but to include Islam and Mexicans and their bullshit. Our society was not meant to, or evolved to accomadate such a fucked up intolerant religion or immigration in the manner of which Mexicans are conducting. But never the less, here we are trying adhere to our Constitution and honor it, while getting fucked over by those that want to come here and take advantage of the fact that we are..
I agree to some extent. However, and I think you realize this, that is exactly the dilemma that all open, liberal, tolerant, democratic societies face these days, be it the US or any western country in europe.
But I'd rather live in a democratic and free society and live with the downsides, than discriminate against or exclude any ethnic or religious group from the ooportunities that those societies present. Because that would be a direct violation of the principles that we hold in such high regard.

Integration is not a one-way street. Just as much as the immigrants need to do their part to integrate themselves into our society, we need to do our part making them feel at home, and welcome.
I do not feel we should be obligated to include any illegal immigrant or religion that will send us spiraling off the track of progress. There's nothing positive or good that can come from introducing an illegal Mexican invasion, or an intolerant religion, into a tolerant society.

I do not believe we should be obligated to accommodate ANYONE that moves here permanently, chooses to set up their own society within ours, rather than assimilate into mainstream society. I do not feel an obligation should be made to those that come here to take advantage of tax breaks and govt. incentives with no intention of contributing to that society, but rather send all earnings home.

Or are you saying you would have no problem with me doing these things to your country? Keep in mind that I would fully expect your society to accommodate my intentions fully, or  I will label you a Nazi.
Sounds like you would like America to be a Christian version of Saudi Arabia? A good Christian country for good Christians or at least 'Christian-minded' people?

Do you not think that the thing that makes America and other democratic nations truly admirable is their refusal to be tyrannical over religious groups and minorities the way they are in places like Saudi Arabia? Also on the issue of immigration (particularly Mexicans) America needs to stop sitting on the fence, it either has to work out a system that will enable the US to allow requisite numbers of Mexican immigrants to work legally or keep them out altogether and clamp down on anyone who employs illegals...Now I've read in Eric Schlosser's "Reefer Madness: Sex, Drugs and Cheap Labor in the American Black Market" that the wine industry in the Southern parts of America is particularly reliant on immigrant workers so painful choices would have to be made.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7267|Cologne, Germany

Honestly, lowing, as long a the immigrants come here legally, learn the language, follow the laws of the land, and pay their taxes I pretty much can't be bothered what they do in their free time, or where they send their hard-earned money to.

For everything else, there is the law, and from my point of view, the laws are pretty much sufficient to deal with the situation, if enforced properly.  <---- highlighted for emphasis.

I welcome every immigrant who is willing to contribute to this society by living here ( thus paying rent or owning a house ), buying and consuming commodities such as food, water, electricity, and otherwise contribute to our economy by paying taxes. I'd expect no less from a "natural" citizen.
As long as all of that happens within the boundaries of the law, what reason would I have to complain ?

Maybe you'd want to give me an example ?

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