sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7238|Argentina
Back in 2003, just before GWB decided to go to Iraq to find there were no WMD's, the price of a barrel of oil was about USD 25.  Five years later it's almost 4 times that number.  With the price of oil at USD 100 a barrel, a lot of companies are researching and producing alternative fuels, like biofuels.  You may think "so, what's the problem with this?".  Biofuels use sugar, corn and other crops.  With the increasing use of biofuels the demand shifted to this industry and food prices have risen almost 80% during the last three years.  This may affect millions of people and produce starvation in the poorest countries in the World.

Was Iraq a good idea?
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6633|what

You don't really have to link the Iraq war to the rising prices of food, that research was always going to push up the prices. There's more demand on ethanol and although there is demand for food, obviously, the poor are the ones who suffer as they cannot afford it.

In hindsight Iraq should have been dealt with after the hunt for terrorists in Afghanistan, like Osama. Then go after Saddam.
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sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7238|Argentina

TheAussieReaper wrote:

You don't really have to link the Iraq war to the rising prices of food, that research was always going to push up the prices. There's more demand on ethanol and although there is demand for food, obviously, the poor are the ones who suffer as they cannot afford it.

In hindsight Iraq should have been dealt with after the hunt for terrorists in Afghanistan, like Osama. Then go after Saddam.
There's a link since the price of oil has risen 4 times since 2003.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,827|6586|eXtreme to the maX
There's a link since the price of oil has risen 4 times since 2003.
Correct.
We'll have to address this problem very soon though.
In the meantime the Saudis get richer.
Fuck Israel
rammunition
Fully Loaded
+143|6342
a very good point you make

no, this war is based on greed and lies by people in the white house.

it has done more harm to the world as the effect are being seen
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7238|Argentina

Dilbert_X wrote:

There's a link since the price of oil has risen 4 times since 2003.
Correct.
We'll have to address this problem very soon though.
In the meantime the Saudis get richer.
Isn't war about getting richer after all?  Anyone thinking this was done to benefit American people and to free Iraqis is deluded.
doug1988
spank that azz.
+146|6339|Nibiru in a far away galaxy
War is a business , has always been since the 20Th century , sadly true also it's a way to test new weapons

Last edited by doug1988 (2008-04-14 04:52:06)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7238|Argentina

doug1988 wrote:

War is a business , has always been since the 20Th century , sadly true
Has always been.  Period.
doug1988
spank that azz.
+146|6339|Nibiru in a far away galaxy

sergeriver wrote:

doug1988 wrote:

War is a business , has always been since the 20Th century , sadly true
Has always been.  Period.
not true , in earlier times it was about land food and freedom , but someone probably made a goat or two profit

Last edited by doug1988 (2008-04-14 04:54:09)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7238|Argentina

doug1988 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

doug1988 wrote:

War is a business , has always been since the 20Th century , sadly true
Has always been.  Period.
not true , in earlier times it was about land food and freedom , but someone probably made a goat or two profit
Well, taking the land and the food constitutes some kind of profit.  But I kinda agree, before there was some dignity involved in war.

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-04-14 04:57:01)

imortal
Member
+240|7145|Austin, TX

sergeriver wrote:

Back in 2003, just before GWB decided to go to Iraq to find there were no WMD's, the price of a barrel of oil was about USD 25.  Five years later it's almost 4 times that number.  With the price of oil at USD 100 a barrel, a lot of companies are researching and producing alternative fuels, like biofuels.  You may think "so, what's the problem with this?".  Biofuels use sugar, corn and other crops.  With the increasing use of biofuels the demand shifted to this industry and food prices have risen almost 80% during the last three years.  This may affect millions of people and produce starvation in the poorest countries in the World.

Was Iraq a good idea?
Except that the price of oil has been mainly driven up due to increased demand in China and India, which would have happened regardless.  Your entire premise is flawed.
jsnipy
...
+3,277|7003|...

Don't forget another key factor. Everytime the fed drops interest rates that the dollar drops in value and oil becomes more expensive (granted this more local to the US)

Last edited by jsnipy (2008-04-14 06:15:19)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7238|Argentina

imortal wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Back in 2003, just before GWB decided to go to Iraq to find there were no WMD's, the price of a barrel of oil was about USD 25.  Five years later it's almost 4 times that number.  With the price of oil at USD 100 a barrel, a lot of companies are researching and producing alternative fuels, like biofuels.  You may think "so, what's the problem with this?".  Biofuels use sugar, corn and other crops.  With the increasing use of biofuels the demand shifted to this industry and food prices have risen almost 80% during the last three years.  This may affect millions of people and produce starvation in the poorest countries in the World.

Was Iraq a good idea?
Except that the price of oil has been mainly driven up due to increased demand in China and India, which would have happened regardless.  Your entire premise is flawed.
And they started demanding oil in 2003 right?
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7321|Cologne, Germany

I don't see the war in iraq as the major reason for the rise in oil prices either, to be honest. it was a factor, but not as much of a factor as the increased demand from rising economies such as india and china.

it is true though that the increased demand of alternative fuel has prompted many farmers in third world countries to settle for selling their crop to foreigners for a good price rather than contribute to the feeding of their own people. Demand is up, which will naturally, lead to higher prices. In turn, those higher prices will leave many people in countries such as egypt  ( among others, a lot of under-developped african and asian nations will be facing that problem ) unable to buy basic things such as rice, flour, etc..

And according to the world bank and the IMF, this is bound to spark political unrest, if not addressed properly.
chittydog
less busy
+586|7315|Kubra, Damn it!

We have a decent alternative starting up in Texas. Algae farming sounds extremely promising.

article wrote:

Kertz said he can produce about 100,000 gallons of algae oil a year per acre, compared to about 30 gallons per acre from corn; 50 gallons from soybeans.

Last edited by chittydog (2008-04-14 06:25:45)

DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7161|Disaster Free Zone
Fallacy of Correlation.

Iraq War
Oil Prices Up => Alternative Fuels
Food Prices Up (this is also news to me)
chittydog
less busy
+586|7315|Kubra, Damn it!

DrunkFace wrote:

Fallacy of Correlation.

Iraq War
Oil Prices Up => Alternative Fuels
Food Prices Up (this is also news to me)
If you lived in the US this would not be news to you (unless you're a teenager and your mom does the food shopping).
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6891|'Murka

Once again, correlation is confused with causation.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6885|North Carolina

imortal wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Back in 2003, just before GWB decided to go to Iraq to find there were no WMD's, the price of a barrel of oil was about USD 25.  Five years later it's almost 4 times that number.  With the price of oil at USD 100 a barrel, a lot of companies are researching and producing alternative fuels, like biofuels.  You may think "so, what's the problem with this?".  Biofuels use sugar, corn and other crops.  With the increasing use of biofuels the demand shifted to this industry and food prices have risen almost 80% during the last three years.  This may affect millions of people and produce starvation in the poorest countries in the World.

Was Iraq a good idea?
Except that the price of oil has been mainly driven up due to increased demand in China and India, which would have happened regardless.  Your entire premise is flawed.
It's actually some of that and some of the turmoil.

Basically, turmoil in the Middle East + increased world demand for oil = clusterfuck
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6770|Éire
How many miles to the gallon can you get on a fighter jet/tank/battleship?
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7081|132 and Bush

Braddock wrote:

How many miles to the gallon can you get on a fighter jet/tank/battleship?
145 in the city.



Side note: Iraq's financial free ride may end
Encouraging.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6885|North Carolina
Fuck yeah, it's about time we got Iraqis to pay their own way.  Shit, the Republicans are always talking about personal responsibility -- now, they're actually starting to support that with respect to the Iraqis.
Braddock
Agitator
+916|6770|Éire

Turquoise wrote:

Fuck yeah, it's about time we got Iraqis to pay their own way.  Shit, the Republicans are always talking about personal responsibility -- now, they're actually starting to support that with respect to the Iraqis.
Yeah, anyone would think the US destroyed their country's infrastructure by invading it and removing all semblance of order or something! [/joke]
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6441|Washington DC
Don't forget E85 ethanol production. Subsidizing farmers to dedicate their land to the production of a fuel that is marginally more efficient than gasoline, and that's not including the energy needed to make the ethanol fuel.

Dear environmentalists, how about getting us more stuff like the Chevy Volt? Or researching hydrogen a bit more?
Steel
on_Target
+65|6798|Sarasota Fl
WIN-WIN For the globalists isn't it

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