ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command
Typically, one or more drivers race through the light shortly after the yellow has turned to red. They’re the ones going extra fast.

https://i28.tinypic.com/2luyw7d.jpg

Hence photo-enforcement. No city has enough police officers to routinely monitor major intersections; in any case, pursuit of a car through the red light it just ran creates even more risk.

Red-light cameras save lives.

They spent millions on studies showing that intersection cameras cut down on accidents and fatalities. The municipalities spent 100's of millions installing these cameras across the country. All tax dollars.

Now they are taking them down in several cities.

Government employees are the biggest whores in existence. They are willing to put our lives at risk if that generates revenue.
Most of the time, when a cop pulls you over, the primary concern is not public safety, it is revenue generation.


Kind of makes you wonder about other " heath and safety " issues, like the idiotic prohibition of marijuana.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6555|North Tonawanda, NY
This sounds like a case where the government could/should operate them themselves?  I'm not for big-government, but paying a company ~$4000 per camera per month seems absurdly wasteful...

Edit: Though, if revenue is the problem, someone could argue that a dead tax payer is lost revenue...

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-04-13 22:15:44)

ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command
I dunno about other cities but where I live in So. Cal. the citations are outsourced to a private company who collects the debt and handles arbitration of disputes.

If you want to dispute a violation you complain to a private company that gets a cut of every dollar it collects, so unless your car has been stolen by a celebrity and there is a slow speed chase showing the celebrity driving your car there is just no getting out of a ticket.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6555|North Tonawanda, NY
Apparently government outsourcing is all the rage.  FAA outsources the flight services, military doing their obvious outsourcing, this story, etc...
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6954|Global Command
prisons.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7197|PNW

ATG wrote:

[OP]
I've noticed that in the Pacific Northwest. You always see crews out dinking with those things, and ever since they've been installed the time it takes to go from yellow to red has shortened, causing no end to serious accidents I've almost been in due to people either accelerating through at dangerous speeds or slamming on their brakes.

The cube van I drive around is a juggernaut, so I go ahead and just slip on through if it suddenly turns yellow, because even below the speed limit, I'd end up in the intersection in many occasions if I tried to stop before it hit red. So far, I've been lucky, but plenty of other people I know or work with have been hit with tickets, and sometimes even by mistake (after all, machines aren't perfect). Fortunately for the city penny pinchers around here, most of them don't have the time to argue about it and just send in the fee.

Around here, I believe this has been done to make up for lost 'income' from failed levies and tax bills that people angrily vote down (not that the latter always does any good). You can almost feel a tangible aura of petty vengeance when garden islands and pavement-destroying trees are smugly planted in the middle of boulevards, or new schools, police stations or city halls get the Taj Mahal treatment in spite of funding 'shortages.'

SenorToenails wrote:

Edit: Though, if revenue is the problem, someone could argue that a dead tax payer is lost revenue...
Not really. There's a few taxes for that, too.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-04-13 22:55:26)

BN
smells like wee wee
+159|7193
outsource the goverment
BVC
Member
+325|7120
Do you have many speed cameras in the states?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6836|'Murka

Pubic wrote:

Do you have many speed cameras in the states?
First I ever saw them here was in DC.

If the government feels that something needs to be implemented to ensure the safety of the people (one of government's specified functions), then it should manage that function itself. Outsourcing government functions only shows that those functions don't need to be performed by government.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7197|PNW

FEOS wrote:

Pubic wrote:

Do you have many speed cameras in the states?
First I ever saw them here was in DC.

If the government feels that something needs to be implemented to ensure the safety of the people (one of government's specified functions), then it should manage that function itself. Outsourcing government functions only shows that those functions don't need to be performed by government.
With the help of Taiwanese semiconductors.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7266|Cologne, Germany

so they're either shortening yellow times so they won't lose profit from the cameras, or they are taking them down because they work too well ?!?!

Why not simply get some competition going in the market for red light camera suppliers, so they won't fuck you over with almost 4,000 USD$ per camera per month ?

revenue is all these suckers care about.

We have the same problem here in germany with private speed control subcontractors. Because the cities depend more and more on the revenue they generate from traffic violations, speed control subcontractors are more and more asked to set up at locations where people are known to drive faster than they are allowed to, even if these locations are no accident hot spots.
The cities don't give a damn about road safety, they want the revenue.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6836|'Murka

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Pubic wrote:

Do you have many speed cameras in the states?
First I ever saw them here was in DC.

If the government feels that something needs to be implemented to ensure the safety of the people (one of government's specified functions), then it should manage that function itself. Outsourcing government functions only shows that those functions don't need to be performed by government.
With the help of Taiwanese semiconductors.
function =/= electronic components
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
chittydog
less busy
+586|7260|Kubra, Damn it!

BN wrote:

outsource the goverment
Good idea, I hear they have cheap labor in China. Let's send it over there.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7266|Cologne, Germany

chittydog wrote:

BN wrote:

outsource the goverment
Good idea, I hear they have cheap labor in China. Let's send it over there.
Since your passports are already being made there, it would be the next logical step. Subcontracting can improve efficiency, and reduce costs. And we all know that government bureaucracy is in dire need of both...
chittydog
less busy
+586|7260|Kubra, Damn it!

B.Schuss wrote:

chittydog wrote:

BN wrote:

outsource the goverment
Good idea, I hear they have cheap labor in China. Let's send it over there.
Since your passports are already being made there, it would be the next logical step. Subcontracting can improve efficiency, and reduce costs. And we all know that government bureaucracy is in dire need of both...
They're actually being made in Thailand, but it's probably with all Chinese materials. However, by sending gov't functions to China, we may end up saving ourselves a lot of money in the long run since we won't have to pay for a long, drawn out war with them.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6836|'Murka

In an ironic twist of fate...I just got a speeding ticket in the mail today. From a camera.

Fuckers.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6830|North Carolina

SenorToenails wrote:

This sounds like a case where the government could/should operate them themselves?  I'm not for big-government, but paying a company ~$4000 per camera per month seems absurdly wasteful...

Edit: Though, if revenue is the problem, someone could argue that a dead tax payer is lost revenue...
All good points...  Contracting out lights is a bad idea.  It should be purely government run.

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