I'm surprised this hasn't been posted up yet, oh well.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p … 347638.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p … 347638.stm
Dammit. I hate it when anyone beats us in anything.
waiting for the "the US is still worse" crowd..........
its funny that china can only provide electricity and running water to 30% of their citizens, but can make so much pollution.
is that why we are supposed to be scared of them?
its funny that china can only provide electricity and running water to 30% of their citizens, but can make so much pollution.
is that why we are supposed to be scared of them?
I believe they got themselves a gold medal from Amnesty International recently too for most executions...go China!
Yeah well, 1 billion people is alot. There are other countries out there that are worse per capita, although the U.S/UK isn't the worst polluter per capita, they're a hell of alot worse than China.
I thought this was old news. Countries with developing industrial economies, like China and India, have long been know to be the largest polluters.
According to what I was watching last night, they said China has just overtaken the US.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
I thought this was old news. Countries with developing industrial economies, like China and India, have long been know to be the largest polluters.
Still I remember reading form a book in 2001 that said the Czech Republic or somewhere in that general area was the largest producer of Sulphur Dioxide.
They are 1,3 billion or so, how much shit do they produce a day?
/leaves to China to sell them toilets
/leaves to China to sell them toilets
Steamy rivers of it.sergeriver wrote:
They are 1,3 billion or so, how much shit do they produce a day?
/leaves to China to sell them toilets
Somebody was holding them back:Parker wrote:
its funny that china can only provide electricity and running water to 30% of their citizens, but can make so much pollution.
is that why we are supposed to be scared of them?
Providing electricity and running water to 30% of the people in China still means providing for 390m people - 90m more than there are in America. So on a per capita basis they're probably still better than the US. However, having been in China last year I would struggle to believe that they are cleaner than the US - I've never been to such a polluted country in my life.
This is why I hate programs that ruin people's houses by making them only have one car and a garden and stuff; even if it inconveniences them. The tiny difference that it makes there accounts for absolutely naught on a global scale.
A missionary from the church that I go to is China right now teaching about Christianity (dodgy...tell me!) - she was saying that she actually had to get away from the city for a while because of the such-bad-pollution.
A missionary from the church that I go to is China right now teaching about Christianity (dodgy...tell me!) - she was saying that she actually had to get away from the city for a while because of the such-bad-pollution.
seeing as you were just in NY (which isnt the cleanest place on earth), china must be fucking DISGUSTING.CameronPoe wrote:
Somebody was holding them back:Parker wrote:
its funny that china can only provide electricity and running water to 30% of their citizens, but can make so much pollution.
is that why we are supposed to be scared of them?
http://rosenblumtv.files.wordpress.com/ … /mao01.jpg
Providing electricity and running water to 30% of the people in China still means providing for 390m people - 90m more than there are in America. So on a per capita basis they're probably still better than the US. However, having been in China last year I would struggle to believe that they are cleaner than the US - I've never been to such a polluted country in my life.
its been awhile since Mao (the fucking pedo), yet the majority of that country is still struggling. will they ever move past bolstering their industrial epicenter, or continue to shit in the woods so they can advance in the world market?
My wife would second that, Cam. She's a total germophobe...talk about culture shock.
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& @ ParkerFEOS wrote:
My wife would second that, Cam. She's a total germophobe...talk about culture shock.
I'll post a photo of the 'idyllic' summer palace about 10 miles outside Beijing city centre when I get home. The Summer Palace is a beautifully landscaped garden complete with lakes, bridges and temples covering quite an area. When I was there I couldn't see 10 ft in front of me for the smog. Unbelievable. It'll look like fog in the photo but believe me, it isn't. Within three days I realised why Chinese people spit so often and had developed an ever present sinusy headache.
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Yours too? Are all women like that?FEOS wrote:
My wife would second that, Cam. She's a total germophobe...talk about culture shock.
The Chinese produce one third of the pollution per head that we in the west do.M.O.A.B wrote:
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted up yet, oh well.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p … 347638.stm
So the question should be.............what are you going to do about the fact you produce 3 times as much carbon and pollution as your Chinese counter part?
When we produce less pollution per head than the Chinese, then we can criticise. Until then their is nothing we can do. We had our time of industrial revolution, they are having theirs.
Come on US of A, we can still win this!
they have 1.3 billion people, how is this even news?
they have 1.3 billion people, how is this even news?
I've been to China and Hong Kong to visit my relatives.
The air is so congested. It was hard to breath and wasn't good at all. especially during the warmer months.
The air is so congested. It was hard to breath and wasn't good at all. especially during the warmer months.
So wait a second, even though China now overall produces more pollution than anyone else, the west and US is still allowed to be criticised just because we pollute more per capita? This is splitting hairs now tbh.JahManRed wrote:
The Chinese produce one third of the pollution per head that we in the west do.M.O.A.B wrote:
I'm surprised this hasn't been posted up yet, oh well.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-p … 347638.stm
So the question should be.............what are you going to do about the fact you produce 3 times as much carbon and pollution as your Chinese counter part?
When we produce less pollution per head than the Chinese, then we can criticise. Until then their is nothing we can do. We had our time of industrial revolution, they are having theirs.
I'm starting to see why this wasn't posted up earlier, because it has nothing to do with the US being criticised
I don't think Mother Nature gives a damn whether it's per capita or not...just the volume produced. It's the "blame the US/West" crowd that makes the distinction.M.O.A.B wrote:
So wait a second, even though China now overall produces more pollution than anyone else, the west and US is still allowed to be criticised just because we pollute more per capita? This is splitting hairs now tbh.
I'm starting to see why this wasn't posted up earlier, because it has nothing to do with the US being criticised
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
For the first couple of days I was in China I assumed it was just foggy.....CameronPoe wrote:
Somebody was holding them back:Parker wrote:
its funny that china can only provide electricity and running water to 30% of their citizens, but can make so much pollution.
is that why we are supposed to be scared of them?
http://rosenblumtv.files.wordpress.com/ … /mao01.jpg
Providing electricity and running water to 30% of the people in China still means providing for 390m people - 90m more than there are in America. So on a per capita basis they're probably still better than the US. However, having been in China last year I would struggle to believe that they are cleaner than the US - I've never been to such a polluted country in my life.
Nothing can beat just how foul some Chineese rivers are. Nothing lives in them, they seem to just dump industrial waste straight into them.
I know that there in there Industrial boom , but I thought it would be another 20 years until they passed the U.S. we're all DOOMED
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Ok, lets split China into two seperate countries, China A and China B. Now each China has half of the pollution output of the original China. Does that mean we've taken a major step in saving the environment? If you think that would be a major achievement in reducing pollution then per capita doesn't matter, if you think that would be completely irrelevant then per capita figures matter. To put it another way, if we are going to ignore per capita outputs, then we should work out how much pollution that humanity as a whole can acceptably put out then divide that amount by the number of countries on the planet, because apparently it's not relevant how many people live in the country. Enjoy trying to survive with the same total emissions as Palau.FEOS wrote:
I don't think Mother Nature gives a damn whether it's per capita or not...just the volume produced. It's the "blame the US/West" crowd that makes the distinction.M.O.A.B wrote:
So wait a second, even though China now overall produces more pollution than anyone else, the west and US is still allowed to be criticised just because we pollute more per capita? This is splitting hairs now tbh.
I'm starting to see why this wasn't posted up earlier, because it has nothing to do with the US being criticised
I'm simply pointing out howPureFodder wrote:
Ok, lets split China into two seperate countries, China A and China B. Now each China has half of the pollution output of the original China. Does that mean we've taken a major step in saving the environment? If you think that would be a major achievement in reducing pollution then per capita doesn't matter, if you think that would be completely irrelevant then per capita figures matter. To put it another way, if we are going to ignore per capita outputs, then we should work out how much pollution that humanity as a whole can acceptably put out then divide that amount by the number of countries on the planet, because apparently it's not relevant how many people live in the country. Enjoy trying to survive with the same total emissions as Palau.FEOS wrote:
I don't think Mother Nature gives a damn whether it's per capita or not...just the volume produced. It's the "blame the US/West" crowd that makes the distinction.M.O.A.B wrote:
So wait a second, even though China now overall produces more pollution than anyone else, the west and US is still allowed to be criticised just because we pollute more per capita? This is splitting hairs now tbh.
I'm starting to see why this wasn't posted up earlier, because it has nothing to do with the US being criticised
a) nothing was posted up in the forum section about this even though its big news.
b) it seems to draw little attention to it as its China rather than the US
In a sense it clearly shows that no matter what the circumstances, people are just going to blame the US for everything. Per capita in the US maybe be more but it still amounts to less than China's overall so no matter what way you cut it, China is the worst polluter.
The real question. Who is working harder to fix it?
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