Death to the rapists?

2008-04-15 10:43:11

#1

too_money2007: Member; +145|6788|Keller, Tx

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/15/rap … index.html

Basically, Lousisiana wants to execute a man who raped a child. Yes, I want him to die. But, I don't believe the government should be allowed to execute anyone for a crime other than murder.

I mean, really, where does it stop? Opening a door like this will eventually lead to other crimes getting the same punishment.

Just give him 20 life sentences and let him get murdered in jail like what's really going to happen.

Discus...

2008-04-15 10:45:22

#2

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6927|Chicago, IL

kill him, saves me the tax dollars, makes the jail less crowded.

2008-04-15 11:03:40

#3

FEOS: Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate; +1,182|6891|'Murka

A raper of children will suffer far more in the general prison population...if he lives long enough.

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2008-04-15 11:05:24

#4

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|7007|Portland, OR USA

S.Lythberg wrote:
kill him, saves me the tax dollars, makes the jail less crowded.

2008-04-15 11:18:17

#5

CoronadoSEAL: pics or it didn't happen; +207|6998|USA

wait, is that a Texan sparing someone from execution?! haha

article wrote:
Other state and federal crimes theoretically eligible for execution include treason, aggravated kidnapping, drug trafficking, aircraft hijacking and espionage.

so if we can't execute a guy who raped a child less than 12 years old, can you justify any of the above executions?
is raping a child worse than drug trafficking? aggravated kidnapping?
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too_money2007 wrote:
Just give him 20 life sentences and let him get murdered in jail like what's really going to happen.

and what's the difference between mixing him with general population, as you suggest, and giving him the chair?
"if you knew your neighbor beat his wife, would you buy him a bat?" - someone on here said that...

Last edited by CoronadoSEAL (2008-04-15 11:19:10)

2008-04-15 11:19:00

#6

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|7007|Portland, OR USA

CoronadoSEAL wrote:
wait, is that a Texan sparing someone from execution?! haha

totally missed that irony - wow

I've said it a hundred times - pass out the death sentence more. We aren't so much judging them as removing a source of negative social function.

2008-04-15 11:19:52

#7

doug1988: spank that azz.; +146|6339|Nibiru in a far away galaxy

I say kill all the ones who rape little children , BUT , if a person is wrongfully convicted , then you have problems , or just cut of there little penis seeing that they couldn't get a REAL woman to fuck

2008-04-15 11:20:58

#8

too_money2007: Member; +145|6788|Keller, Tx

CoronadoSEAL wrote:
wait, is that a Texan sparing someone from execution?! haha
article wrote:
Other state and federal crimes theoretically eligible for execution include treason, aggravated kidnapping, drug trafficking, aircraft hijacking and espionage.
so if we can't execute a guy who raped a child less than 12 years old, can you justify any of the above executions?
is raping a child worse than drug trafficking? aggravated kidnapping?

Yes, he should die, painfully. I'm just stating that opening up to this, unless specific in it's nature, would allow some asshole prosecutor to start trying people for the death penalty for crimes in which he deems merits them.

2008-04-15 11:31:27

#9

Masques: Black Panzer Party; +184|7202|Eastern PA

too_money2007 wrote:
CoronadoSEAL wrote:
wait, is that a Texan sparing someone from execution?! haha
article wrote:
Other state and federal crimes theoretically eligible for execution include treason, aggravated kidnapping, drug trafficking, aircraft hijacking and espionage.
so if we can't execute a guy who raped a child less than 12 years old, can you justify any of the above executions?
is raping a child worse than drug trafficking? aggravated kidnapping?
Yes, he should die, painfully. I'm just stating that opening up to this, unless specific in it's nature, would allow some asshole prosecutor to start trying people for the death penalty for crimes in which he deems merits them.

That already happens. Executions tend to increase slightly when state officials run for office/re-election.

It's an easy way to seem "tough" on crime, without actually taking any kind of preventative approach towards reducing crime (ie. increased foot patrols, better training for officers, increased pay for officers, community programs, etc.). It's especially useful if said official can't point to any concrete achievements in reducing crime, which leads to the somewhat paradoxical situation wherein the state executes more and more people to show they're Tough On Crime yet violent crime continues to increase.

2008-04-15 11:33:29

#10

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|7007|Portland, OR USA

Masques wrote:
It's an easy way to seem "tough" on crime, without actually taking any kind of preventative approach towards reducing crime (ie. increased foot patrols, better training for officers, increased pay for officers, community programs, etc.). It's especially useful if said official can't point to any concrete achievements in reducing crime, which leads to the somewhat paradoxical situation wherein the state executes more and more people to show they're Tough On Crime yet violent crime continues to increase.

I would argue quite strongly that expeditious and harsh punishment goes a long way to serve as its own preventative measure.

2008-04-15 11:37:32

#11

Masques: Black Panzer Party; +184|7202|Eastern PA

PuckMercury wrote:
Masques wrote:
It's an easy way to seem "tough" on crime, without actually taking any kind of preventative approach towards reducing crime (ie. increased foot patrols, better training for officers, increased pay for officers, community programs, etc.). It's especially useful if said official can't point to any concrete achievements in reducing crime, which leads to the somewhat paradoxical situation wherein the state executes more and more people to show they're Tough On Crime yet violent crime continues to increase.
I would argue quite strongly that expeditious and harsh punishment goes a long way to serve as its own preventative measure.

If it were then gang violence and drug violence would themselves be their own solution.

2008-04-15 11:39:40

#12

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|7007|Portland, OR USA

Masques wrote:
PuckMercury wrote:
Masques wrote:
It's an easy way to seem "tough" on crime, without actually taking any kind of preventative approach towards reducing crime (ie. increased foot patrols, better training for officers, increased pay for officers, community programs, etc.). It's especially useful if said official can't point to any concrete achievements in reducing crime, which leads to the somewhat paradoxical situation wherein the state executes more and more people to show they're Tough On Crime yet violent crime continues to increase.
I would argue quite strongly that expeditious and harsh punishment goes a long way to serve as its own preventative measure.
If it were then gang violence and drug violence would themselves be their own solution.

Actually, yeah - it's a self solving solution in my opinion.

2008-04-15 11:48:18

#13

Masques: Black Panzer Party; +184|7202|Eastern PA

PuckMercury wrote:
Masques wrote:
PuckMercury wrote:

I would argue quite strongly that expeditious and harsh punishment goes a long way to serve as its own preventative measure.
If it were then gang violence and drug violence would themselves be their own solution.
Actually, yeah - it's a self solving solution in my opinion.

The violence inherent in those paths don't serve as any kind of deterrent. I think most gang members and drug dealers are quite aware of the risk of extra-judicial punishment and summary execution, but there are always more to take the places of those who are killed.

A deterrent has to have some kind of preventative function. If it can't actually prevent anything then it's not a deterrent as defined. It's simply another punishment.

2008-04-15 11:53:21

#14

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|7007|Portland, OR USA

I certainly see the validity of your arguement, but what is your position on countries with more severe penalties and expeditious judicial systems experiencing lower crime rates?

2008-04-15 12:56:20

#15

chittydog: less busy; +586|7315|Kubra, Damn it!

too_money2007 wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/15/rape.execution/index.html

Basically, Lousisiana wants to execute a man who raped a child. Yes, I want him to die. But, I don't believe the government should be allowed to execute anyone for a crime other than murder.

I mean, really, where does it stop? Opening a door like this will eventually lead to other crimes getting the same punishment.

Just give him 20 life sentences and let him get murdered in jail like what's really going to happen.

Discus...

I'd be happy with death for them or the 20 life sentences you mentioned. Whatever it takes, as long as they're never walking the streets again. Child molesters aren't like "normal" felons, there's no rehabilitation for them. Eventually they're going to go out and destroy another child's life.

2008-04-15 13:07:05

#16

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6610|North Tonawanda, NY

S.Lythberg wrote:
kill him, saves me the tax dollars, makes the jail less crowded.

The death penalty typically costs more than life in prison.

2008-04-15 13:14:09

#17

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6610|North Tonawanda, NY

PuckMercury wrote:
I've said it a hundred times - pass out the death sentence more. We aren't so much judging them as removing a source of negative social function.

Should the state really have the ability to take life? Morally, how are they better than the murderer then?

2008-04-15 13:14:15

#18

Masques: Black Panzer Party; +184|7202|Eastern PA

PuckMercury wrote:
I certainly see the validity of your arguement, but what is your position on countries with more severe penalties and expeditious judicial systems experiencing lower crime rates?

While I'm not sure, I'd say it has to do with cultural and social differences (Is there a lower incidence of crime with less severe punishment as well as capital crimes?) and relative consistency in the criminal justice system of those countries. The US has a host of contradictory local, state, and federal laws and punishments as well as inconsistent sentencing based on class/race/gender/location/whatever.

Also, countries with unusually harsh punishments tend to be societies with a very large police presence. If citizens are being constantly watched they don't really have much opportunity to engage in criminal acts.

2008-04-15 13:27:45

#19

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6927|Chicago, IL

SenorToenails wrote:
S.Lythberg wrote:
kill him, saves me the tax dollars, makes the jail less crowded.
The death penalty typically costs more than life in prison.

lolbureaucrats...

it shouldn't. potassium perchlorate is cheap

2008-04-15 13:29:11

#20

SenorToenails: Veritas et Scientia; +444|6610|North Tonawanda, NY

S.Lythberg wrote:
lolbureaucrats...

it shouldn't. potassium perchlorate is cheap

True, but it's the appeals process.

2008-04-15 13:29:12

#21

chittydog: less busy; +586|7315|Kubra, Damn it!

S.Lythberg wrote:
SenorToenails wrote:
S.Lythberg wrote:
kill him, saves me the tax dollars, makes the jail less crowded.
The death penalty typically costs more than life in prison.
lolbureaucrats...

it shouldn't. potassium perchlorate is cheap

Rope is cheaper.

2008-04-15 13:32:11

#22

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6927|Chicago, IL

SenorToenails wrote:
S.Lythberg wrote:
lolbureaucrats...

it shouldn't. potassium perchlorate is cheap
True, but it's the appeals process.

and life in prison people don't appeal?

Our legal system is designed to make lawyers rich...

2008-04-15 13:32:18

#23

PuckMercury: 6 x 9 = 42; +298|7007|Portland, OR USA

SenorToenails wrote:
S.Lythberg wrote:
lolbureaucrats...

it shouldn't. potassium perchlorate is cheap
True, but it's the appeals process.

It's that and so much more. Our (US) judicial system has become mutated and skewed so far toward benefiting the criminal it borders on being ... well ... criminal.

2008-04-15 13:43:52

#24

Masques: Black Panzer Party; +184|7202|Eastern PA

SenorToenails wrote:
PuckMercury wrote:
I've said it a hundred times - pass out the death sentence more. We aren't so much judging them as removing a source of negative social function.
Should the state really have the ability to take life? Morally, how are they better than the murderer then?

A state (as defined by Weber) is an entity with a monopoly on the use of violence within some defined boundary. Additionally, only the state can delegate the use of force (self-defense for example).

States as conceived by Western though cannot exist without this principle.

As it relates to the death penalty, the state has an interest in being the source of legitimacy in the use of violence, else individuals and groups will use violence against each other, resulting in chaos (classically defined as a lack of order (ie. the state)). Also, the state as an entity is self-perpetuating. It cannot allow conditions to widely exist in which sub-state actors challenge its legitimacy.

2008-04-15 13:45:14

#25

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|7036

Death is not a punishment in comparison with a lifetime's incarceration. Especially when you're a paedo. I thought the US legal system was governed on the basis of 'an eye for an eye' anyway - in which case he should be anally raped using something four times the diameter of his anus.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2008-04-15 13:46:22)

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