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Pakistan opposes US nuke oversight
Bruce Loudon, South Asia correspondent | April 16, 2008
A PLAN by the US to seek direct "oversight" of Pakistan's powerful nuclear arsenal and the command structure that controls it was heading for rejection last night after it was denounced in Islamabad as "outright interference" in the country's affairs.

The secret plan, disclosed in the Pakistan media, would for the first time see US officials deployed in Islamabad with "direct access" to the National Command Authority that manages Pakistan's nuclear assets.
It is the first time since the country became a nuclear power in 1998 that Washington has sought direct access to the nuclear arsenal.
Last weekend, US President George W. Bush was quoted as saying that if the US suffered another 9/11-type attack, it would most likely have its antecedents in Pakistan rather than Afghanistan.
Washington is believed to be deeply worried that Islamabad's nuclear assets could "fall into the wrong hands" as a result of political turmoil.

The Bush administration is concerned about the Pakistan Government's determination to negotiate with al-Qa'ida and Taliban-linked militants.
Shireen Mazari, head of the Institute of Strategic Studies, said the US move was "perhaps the most dangerous effort at intruding into Pakistan's sensitive areas in the ongoing effort to gain direct access to nuclear-strategic matters".

But US apprehensions gained additional momentum yesterday when first details emerged of planned peace talks.
The national Government in Islamabad and the provincial Government in Peshawar, the capital of the North West Frontier Province, have agreed to constitute two separate tribal councils to start negotiations with Islamic militants.
The constitution of the councils is being backed by Baitullah Mehsud, the main militant leader in Pakistan and the man blamed for the wave of suicide bombings that have hit targets across the country.
Reports yesterday said Mehsud was "optimistic about the outcome of the impending peace talks between the militants and the Government".
Last night, a senior official at the US embassy in Islamabad, Liz Colton, did not reject reports about the plan to gain access to Pakistan's nuclear arsenal.
"We are in touch with all elements of the Pakistan Government all the time. But we do not publish or discuss details of our diplomatic discussions and assignments," she said.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/st … 37,00.html
Sorry Duhbya, Pandora's box is open and you can't close it.

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AussieReaper
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Pakistans nuclear weapons are aimed at India. And vice versa.

The point that really stuck out in the article was

But US apprehensions gained additional momentum yesterday when first details emerged of planned peace talks.
Peace talks? No, the US doesn't want that.

I wonder what the US was going to offer Pakistan, for allowing such access to the Nuclear arsenal.

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maybe we'll have a nuke 4th of july lol j/k
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On one hand I agree with the US government that Pakistans nuclear arsenal is a serious issue, of all the nuclear states it's the one most likely to fall appart or have a complete nut job take power or gain control of a weapon that might contemplate doing something very foolish with them.

The methods however I don't agree with. The current world policies on nuclear weapons will result, as we have seen, in continued proliferation and will continually increase the chance of a nuclear attack or huge fuck-up ending humanity.

"The prospect for the human race is sombre beyond all precedent. Mankind are faced with a clear-cut alternative: either we shall all perish, or we shall have to acquire some slight degree of common sense. A great deal of new political thinking will be necessary if utter disaster is to be averted."
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AussieReaper
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PureFodder wrote:

The methods however I don't agree with. The current world policies on nuclear weapons will result, as we have seen, in continued proliferation and will continually increase the chance of a nuclear attack or huge fuck-up ending humanity.
Are you suggesting further SALT and START treaties?
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

I wonder what the US was going to offer Pakistan, for allowing such access to the Nuclear arsenal.
the same damn thing we gave those fucks to help with the Taliban.
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PureFodder
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

The methods however I don't agree with. The current world policies on nuclear weapons will result, as we have seen, in continued proliferation and will continually increase the chance of a nuclear attack or huge fuck-up ending humanity.
Are you suggesting further SALT and START treaties?
It's a fairly reasonable step. If the big powers can be limited to being able to largely destroy themselves, without destroying the rest of the planet that would be a big step in ensuring the continuation of humanity. If the nuclear powers aren't going to significantly disarm, what's the incentive for everyone else not to develop them?

Something like the fissile materials cutoff treaty could be a solution to not only this issue, but Iran and all of the following nuclear issues that are destined to occur under the current world situation.
FEOS
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Would like to see more detail than what's offered in the article. Is it an offer of help in shoring up holes in their nuke C2, handling, and storage? Or is it something more intrusive? The article doesn't make that clear at all.

But I'm not surprised at the knee-jerk reactions so far...
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FEOS wrote:

Would like to see more detail than what's offered in the article. Is it an offer of help in shoring up holes in their nuke C2, handling, and storage? Or is it something more intrusive? The article doesn't make that clear at all.

But I'm not surprised at the knee-jerk reactions so far...
I totally agree...there has been a lot of knee-jerk reactions lately. The Iran Mosque bombing or accident is one example. Who knows what details this story really involves and I haven't heard anything on the cable news stations about this either. So I wonder how much weight this one article holds. I will hold judgement until there is more clear info available and what is trying to be accomplished. What I do find funny is how quick people are to jump on the "Big, Bad America" band wagon.
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DeathBecomesYu wrote:

What I do find funny is how quick people are to jump on the "Big, Bad America" band wagon.
Do you really find it funny? It's a sign of the times I reckon. A lot of damage has been done to the US image in the last decade and a lot of people are apt to see the worst in their actions now whether there are grounds for such presumptions or not.
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I think we should let every nutjob that wears a diaper hat to have nukes.
FEOS
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Braddock wrote:

a lot of people are apt to see the worst in their actions now whether there are grounds for such presumptions or not.
Exactly...yet nobody bothers to do the mental shorthand to take that into account on these forums.
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Braddock wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

What I do find funny is how quick people are to jump on the "Big, Bad America" band wagon.
Do you really find it funny? It's a sign of the times I reckon. A lot of damage has been done to the US image in the last decade and a lot of people are apt to see the worst in their actions now whether there are grounds for such presumptions or not.
Ummm....hello? Anybody home??......isn't that what people criticize the American government of doing? So it makes it okay? So I guess it works this way: If the American government is quick to judge, then you should also be an idiot and do the same. Hmmmm...that makes perfect sense!! 

You see, news articles and news stories are always based on who is the first to report it and in these days, many are even fabricated or politicized to no end for the writer's own agenda or its paper or news outlet. You yourself will laugh and scoff at anyone that uses Fox news as a source. Today's media for the most part is a joke no matter who it comes from because it's all about being the "first". Our news and media are like the kid who posts "first" as a response to a forum post or online video. How bad is our media.....when Anna Nicole Smith gets nearly 3 or 4 months of non-stop coverage and recently a life-story movie compared to blip on the screen when Bhutto was killed or when Charlton Heston died...well, I just don't put too much weight into any news story until more comes out.....no matter who the source is.
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DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Braddock wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

What I do find funny is how quick people are to jump on the "Big, Bad America" band wagon.
Do you really find it funny? It's a sign of the times I reckon. A lot of damage has been done to the US image in the last decade and a lot of people are apt to see the worst in their actions now whether there are grounds for such presumptions or not.
Ummm....hello? Anybody home??......isn't that what people criticize the American government of doing? So it makes it okay? So I guess it works this way: If the American government is quick to judge, then you should also be an idiot and do the same. Hmmmm...that makes perfect sense!! 

You see, news articles and news stories are always based on who is the first to report it and in these days, many are even fabricated or politicized to no end for the writer's own agenda or its paper or news outlet. You yourself will laugh and scoff at anyone that uses Fox news as a source. Today's media for the most part is a joke no matter who it comes from because it's all about being the "first". Our news and media are like the kid who posts "first" as a response to a forum post or online video. How bad is our media.....when Anna Nicole Smith gets nearly 3 or 4 months of non-stop coverage and recently a life-story movie compared to blip on the screen when Bhutto was killed or when Charlton Heston died...well, I just don't put too much weight into any news story until more comes out.....no matter who the source is.
Calm down DBY, I wasn't on the attack. I'm just saying that this is the way a lot of people feel towards the US these days...I'm not for one minute saying it's right or just to do so.

I'm critical of a lot of US foreign policy these days but if this story turns out to be a deal whereby the US can achieve a level of stability through diplomatic action with the Pakistani Government and close co-operation and communication over the issue of nukes then I'd have no problem with that. I'd sure as hell prefer that to some sort of US backed coup or regime change.
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Braddock wrote:

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Braddock wrote:


Do you really find it funny? It's a sign of the times I reckon. A lot of damage has been done to the US image in the last decade and a lot of people are apt to see the worst in their actions now whether there are grounds for such presumptions or not.
Ummm....hello? Anybody home??......isn't that what people criticize the American government of doing? So it makes it okay? So I guess it works this way: If the American government is quick to judge, then you should also be an idiot and do the same. Hmmmm...that makes perfect sense!! 

You see, news articles and news stories are always based on who is the first to report it and in these days, many are even fabricated or politicized to no end for the writer's own agenda or its paper or news outlet. You yourself will laugh and scoff at anyone that uses Fox news as a source. Today's media for the most part is a joke no matter who it comes from because it's all about being the "first". Our news and media are like the kid who posts "first" as a response to a forum post or online video. How bad is our media.....when Anna Nicole Smith gets nearly 3 or 4 months of non-stop coverage and recently a life-story movie compared to blip on the screen when Bhutto was killed or when Charlton Heston died...well, I just don't put too much weight into any news story until more comes out.....no matter who the source is.
Calm down DBY, I wasn't on the attack. I'm just saying that this is the way a lot of people feel towards the US these days...I'm not for one minute saying it's right or just to do so.

I'm critical of a lot of US foreign policy these days but if this story turns out to be a deal whereby the US can achieve a level of stability through diplomatic action with the Pakistani Government and close co-operation and communication over the issue of nukes then I'd have no problem with that. I'd sure as hell prefer that to some sort of US backed coup or regime change.
I'm perfectly calm and I do agree with what you say about doing things the right way. I don't agree with everything our government does. I will say that the Iraq war didn't just happen overnight and it took years before our government felt it had to do something. Right or wrong, it happened and we have to deal with it, but don't forget that just as many Dems and liberals in that time that pushed for war as well. I won't blame Bush or his pals solely for what has happened.

Our problem is that our government lives in a state of mind that there is always a cold war somewhere. There are always places to try to push one type of leadership out that doesn't benefit the US somehow. I get tired of that as a citizen. There are enough problems at home that need our attention and money than trying to influence regions or countries so that the leadership will think like us. Maybe in some cases it has helped that country or that region but for the most part it just makes us look like meddlers. Anyhow, this thread is based on one article that isn't gaining much momentum or back up as of yet....so I will hold judgement until something is verified or made much more clear than this. It would be ridiculous for anyone to say..."I told you so" yet.
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Pakistan is a fucked up country.  The urban areas are OK, but large portions of the country are run by militias.  This combination of instability and nukes makes Pakistan far more of a legitimate threat than Iran, since Iran is only in the initial stages of nuclear research and they are more stable.

I'd say we have every reason to observe Pakistan's nukes.  If they don't like it, they can prove to us why they aren't a threat by weeding out their terrorists.
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

Pakistans nuclear weapons are aimed at India. And vice versa.

The point that really stuck out in the article was

But US apprehensions gained additional momentum yesterday when first details emerged of planned peace talks.
Peace talks? No, the US doesn't want that.

I wonder what the US was going to offer Pakistan, for allowing such access to the Nuclear arsenal.
Hmmm, a bit of tunnel vision there?  You forgot to quote the next couple sentances (an accidental oversight on your part, I am certain)

wrote:

The national Government in Islamabad and the provincial Government in Peshawar, the capital of the North West Frontier Province, have agreed to constitute two separate tribal councils to start negotiations with Islamic militants. The constitution of the councils is being backed by Baitullah Mehsud, the main militant leader in Pakistan and the man blamed for the wave of suicide bombings that have hit targets across the country.
I think the US has a valid concern in even a remote possibility that nuclear weapons could fall into the hands of "Islamic militants" who are willing to use suicide bombers.

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