BF2S Forums PKM - this shit is getting rediculous.

Nehby wrote:

Iused the PKM extansivly before 1.2 (heck even began my most used weapon by right before 1.2) and I can tell you it was a a very good gun even then. IT had high damage, high rate of fire, and could shoot through tin fences. It's downside had horrible accuracy at ANY range (even up close) when you were standing or crouching. Heck you had to get to about knife range to when in CQC with the PKM while standing. But once you laying down it has fairly accurate, even before you you aimed.

Now they took any that bad accuracy and the gun is completly unbalanced, heck all the LMG's are now. I've been outguned at the 10m range with a default LMG when I had a G3 out with us both standing. The rate of fire is equal between the two gun but the G3 should be more accurate and damaging. That doesn't seem the be the case anymore. Heck at 50m-75m I got killed by a default one before my semi-auto sniper rifle hit te guy!

The LMG's were well balanced pre-1.2 and now with the doom accuracy given to them by 1.2 they out do most guns. EA should just reverse the changes of 1.2 regarding the LMG's and leave them as they were before. The only people who complain they are too inaccurate that way shouldn't be playing support if they lack the skill to use a LMG properly and in a deadly way.

It's the experianced people that are complaining that the LMG's are too accurate now and crappy noobs who say LMG's are "balanced" now.

right on man......

pkm IS the new sniper rifle.. didn't you get the memo?

DeZwarteMaan wrote:

xaven wrote:

DeZwarteMaan wrote:

Have you tried the PKM standing up? It's useless in melee range.

pkm in melee useless? As an engineer armed with a shotgun I can say: Everyone shooting his PKM right from the hip in 2-5m range kills me with 2-3 shots. And THAT is ludicrous...

Are you sick in the head?

At CQC the machine gun.. held at hip or prone.. is unloading craploads of bullets at you. the closer to the barrel you are.. the more Fubar you are.

An Uzi unloads its clip of 30 bullets in seconds covering an area roughly 10 feet cubed. There is a chance that anyone in that area will be hit at least once by a unloaded clip and this is just in real life. 3 bullet burst are very effective.

Now lets look at a machine gun able to unload some 450 rounds per minute or 8 bullets a second.  Now you are basically within point blank range,PB, or short range. The deviation on the weapon ranges from 3 while standing to a .8 while prone. The shots are a Cone from the shooter. The closer you are to the barrel the closer that cones deviation affects. So at 2-5 meter, more like CQC within 10 feet.. his weapon is spraying you with 8 bullets a second any 1 of which has a chance to bounce off your head. If he sprays direct center on yuour waistline.. then you are taking up the majority of his deviation arc.

A squad of 6 people roughly 2-5 meters in front of the machine gun ALL have the chance of getting the whole load of bullets coming from that gun. Accuracy has nothing to do with that amount of bullets.  He's going to kill all 3 of those people fast if they dont have faster reaction speeds.

The DAO-12 or any shotgun really. It's releasing lots of pellets per casing. It's releasing multiple casings per second with a good trigger finger. 5 people came around a corner and Indiana Jones style my weapon was trained in between the people.. not pointed directly at them. The people in back werent shooting because the people in front were blocking them. I took 1/2 damage from the ones who fired but trusty DAO-12 in the 2-5 meter range you mention MOWED them all down..

Shotguns were called Scatterguns for a reason. The were crowd control.. "Riot guns". Any weapon that releases multiple bullets in a spread and that spread is a Cone is going to utterly toast people at PB range.

the PKM hip shot or prone.. dont be in its path or be faster trigger than the enemy. My DAO-12 has mowed thru PKM's in round the corner fire offs.. but then again I wasnt unscathed. Both weapons are fearful. The PKM has some range for itself. Prone its very deadly. A good sniper and/or Scar-L, G36C, G3 can hose that PKM fellow from a distance in single shot modes.

Stop complaining about the PKM and learn to use the wepaons you have with more efficiency.

firtst of all: im not sick in the head.

2. u dont need to explain how weapons work. and I do not have to learn how to use them.

3. what Ive said is a matter of fact and it stated to be a fact after 1.2. I dont complain, I just think its absurd how the PKM works now.

4. i dont statpad

Nehby wrote:

Iused the PKM extansivly before 1.2 (heck even began my most used weapon by right before 1.2) and I can tell you it was a a very good gun even then. IT had high damage, high rate of fire, and could shoot through tin fences. It's downside had horrible accuracy at ANY range (even up close) when you were standing or crouching. Heck you had to get to about knife range to when in CQC with the PKM while standing. But once you laying down it has fairly accurate, even before you you aimed.

Now they took any that bad accuracy and the gun is completly unbalanced, heck all the LMG's are now. I've been outguned at the 10m range with a default LMG when I had a G3 out with us both standing. The rate of fire is equal between the two gun but the G3 should be more accurate and damaging. That doesn't seem the be the case anymore. Heck at 50m-75m I got killed by a default one before my semi-auto sniper rifle hit te guy!

The LMG's were well balanced pre-1.2 and now with the doom accuracy given to them by 1.2 they out do most guns. EA should just reverse the changes of 1.2 regarding the LMG's and leave them as they were before. The only people who complain they are too inaccurate that way shouldn't be playing support if they lack the skill to use a LMG properly and in a deadly way.

It's the experianced people that are complaining that the LMG's are too accurate now and crappy noobs who say LMG's are "balanced" now.

The question I have for you is this, if you claim to have used the support kit as mich as you have in comparasin to other kits, in fact you say it was your most used weapon since "right before the patch" then how do you explain that the support kit isnt even in your top 3 kits played in terms of hours? in fact the only kits you have played LESS than support are Sniper (barley were talking less than an hour here) and Anti-Tank. The three kits you have played the most are (suprise,suprise) Spec-ops, Medic and Assult.....not Support.


I smell a still butt-hurt EX-pilot looking for something to beotch about since being told to go away thanks to the patch...and even if I'm wrong about that you are at best, just someone who is pissed off because his kit of choice isnt ruling the day.






these numbers for Nehby are from this site as of the time of this post....look them up if you like.

Anti-tank                            27:47:14 
Assault                              42:14:05     
Engineer                            39:37:39     
Medic                                44:09:27               
Special-Ops                       50:46:46             
Support                            33:50:48                 
Sniper                               32:59:26               
Totals                              271:25:25                   
Averages                          38:46:29

The game is a little different now. Instead of Jets owning ( I can't believe I just used that word ) Now the PKM is deadly. Its heavy, hard hitting, long range and out preforms .22 caliber weapons as it should. Whats everyones problem. It should have all these qualitys " If fired prone ". It was useless untill the patch  In an infantry engagment a light MG should be the premier weapon, then an emplaced, Then a Heavy MG, then a mortar etc

Like DShak said in the BF2SF posts " just adapt "

now killing someone equiped with a PKM can be a source of pride for you.

Still I gotta try this thing I havn't used it since the patch. I havn't noticed any other change but low frame rate.

I guess I never did all the Faggot shit they patched out so I aint bitching

I'll put my pump shotty-bo against a PKM at close range any day. it's easier to shoot you in the head when you flop to the ground to try and shoot me.

Reminds me of a Cypress Hill song.....

love the shotty. The PKM seems the same to me, heavy hitting, low rate of fire. I didn't use it enough to notice a diference though.

908741059871059781 wrote:

Try shooting that PKM standing up. I bet you could fire an entire belt and not hit a single shot. So obviously any other class, instead of lying down (like pretty much everyone does,) take that spilt second that your support enemy is taking to lay down and shoot to unload on him.

That's one bet you lose.

I noticed a lot people take this class now, it was rare before. Now another thing thats anoy me is that nearly no support guy open fire against the blackhawk on masthuur city. Feels like I'm the only one opening fire against it.

Mookie007 wrote:

Nehby wrote:

Iused the PKM extansivly before 1.2 (heck even began my most used weapon by right before 1.2) and I can tell you it was a a very good gun even then. IT had high damage, high rate of fire, and could shoot through tin fences. It's downside had horrible accuracy at ANY range (even up close) when you were standing or crouching. Heck you had to get to about knife range to when in CQC with the PKM while standing. But once you laying down it has fairly accurate, even before you you aimed.
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It's the experianced people that are complaining that the LMG's are too accurate now and crappy noobs who say LMG's are "balanced" now.

The question I have for you is this, if you claim to have used the support kit as mich as you have in comparasin to other kits, in fact you say it was your most used weapon since "right before the patch" then how do you explain that the support kit isnt even in your top 3 kits played in terms of hours? in fact the only kits you have played LESS than support are Sniper (barley were talking less than an hour here) and Anti-Tank. The three kits you have played the most are (suprise,suprise) Spec-ops, Medic and Assult.....not Support.

I smell a still butt-hurt EX-pilot looking for something to beotch about since being told to go away thanks to the patch...and even if I'm wrong about that you are at best, just someone who is pissed off because his kit of choice isnt ruling the day.

these numbers for Nehby are from this site as of the time of this post....look them up if you like.

Anti-tank 27:47:14, Assault  42:14:05, Engineer  39:37:39, Medic  44:09:27, Special-Ops   50:46:46, Support   33:50:48, Sniper   32:59:26, Totals   271:25:25

Looking at Mookie007's stats.. unless you started a new 'character' you arent one to talk either.

Yeah Nehby's a greenhorn.. or wet behind the ears. But he has LMG'd for roughly 2/3rds of his time.

Support is my lowest class but only because I was forced to go Anti-Armor bashing. i found out that I was darn good at killing tanks with AT, mines and C4. I only used the PKM 21 hours of the 64 hours as Support. KD ratio 500/800 from n00btubes if memory serves right. But I have tons of hours against PKM's including both skilled and unskilled wielders.

A lot of experienced PKM's from 1.12 laughed at 'NEWbies' who complained constantly about how they couldnt hit or kill anyone. You have to aim it right. Head shots weren't a good aim.. especially in PB or short range. No wonder they missed. Once a person learned that standing and in certain ranges.. had different ways to aim.

PB/short range/Medium Range/Long Ranged
    Prone
            Not Aimed
            Aimed <zoomed>
    Crouched
            Not Aimed
            Aimed
    Standing
            Not Aimed
            Aimed

Granted... Now the 1.2 has equalized the PKM for 'Newbies' and less skilled people get a higher frequency of kills. Otherwise the pkm and other weapons will still balance on speed of aim, stance at shot time, and how good with the mouse you are.

Yesterday on a map, I was in a open field with no cover when a PKM hit the dirt. As he dropped I pulled my pistol because I had a sniper rifle out. Using Strafe only The PKM virtually missed the whole time. It was all I could do but laugh. I plugged the prone unmoving man. Prescribed a couple of bullets till twitching occurs to cure his lack of shooting skill problem. I wished every server had video capture turned on.

Last edited by DeZwarteMaan (2006-02-23 16:23:49)

The PKM is a bit too great now, but it is fun as hell to play it while it lasts. The most frusterating thing is getting head-shotted while prone.

You guys mention getting that vital headshot in and it is so true, yet you can hardly complain about the PKM owning if your dumb enough to stand in front of a roaring machine gun - gimme a break. The headshot thing is fine for balance though (although nobody would stand up in front of a machine gun firing at you in reality) and the pkm long range accuracy needs to be toned down. I wish the guns in the game would have diminishing power over longer ranges too...and more power up close.

The other main draw backs with the pkm now are of course the slow rate of fire, the lag when zooming and unzooming (identical to the sniper problem), and the inability to get up from prone sometimes for a few seconds, which happens when you try to unzoom and then get up too fast, and the most frusterating piece of garbage coding ever is being unable to shoot when proning and unproning - sometimes you have to click fire twice before it registers your first shot, which is usually when you die because of the two second no fire while proning plus time to press click twice when you realize the first shot didnt register..gah I swear loudly sometimes when that happens.

Add on the network lag, disconnects, blue screens, lag spikes (server and client side) for flavoring and you might as well embrace what you can from 1.2 while it lasts. Play the pkm for what it is right now, you wont get another chance to enjoy machine guns so much. Like someone said, dont bitch because your choosing a bad kit, embrace what we have now and wait for the next patch(es) that will set things right (Cross fingers).

Just a note: I started BF2 out on support and put my first 60 hours in on that class. I was learning the basics of the game and spent a lot of time waiting to respawn until I got used to BF2 (nevermind coming from DC where you do all sorts of retarded shit like driving jeeps off cliffs for fun - doesn't really help the stats). Anyhoo, Support class used to be so strong because of infinite nades, so I spent a lot of time with those which was a lot of fun killing myself and others haha. This patch came out, and I have since put in 20 hours post 1.2 on mainly support, and I've had a blast but not with grenades this time. The PKM used to be a great gun, but I was only able to maintain a 1:1 KD with it in servers like Karkand, the tubing and the medic/spec op guns were so much better that you really could tell in your KD. Since 1.2 the PKM is now king of the heap and in only 20 hours out of 80 I've brought up my KD 0.5ish - E.g. you can get like 3:1 KD with PKM now, so in 1/4 of my time I've noticeably improved with it.

Last edited by [CANADA]_Zenmaster (2006-02-23 19:52:12)

Mookie007 wrote:

Nehby wrote:

Iused the PKM extansivly before 1.2 (heck even began my most used weapon by right before 1.2) and I can tell you it was a a very good gun even then. IT had high damage, high rate of fire, and could shoot through tin fences. It's downside had horrible accuracy at ANY range (even up close) when you were standing or crouching. Heck you had to get to about knife range to when in CQC with the PKM while standing. But once you laying down it has fairly accurate, even before you you aimed.

Now they took any that bad accuracy and the gun is completly unbalanced, heck all the LMG's are now. I've been outguned at the 10m range with a default LMG when I had a G3 out with us both standing. The rate of fire is equal between the two gun but the G3 should be more accurate and damaging. That doesn't seem the be the case anymore. Heck at 50m-75m I got killed by a default one before my semi-auto sniper rifle hit te guy!

The LMG's were well balanced pre-1.2 and now with the doom accuracy given to them by 1.2 they out do most guns. EA should just reverse the changes of 1.2 regarding the LMG's and leave them as they were before. The only people who complain they are too inaccurate that way shouldn't be playing support if they lack the skill to use a LMG properly and in a deadly way.

It's the experianced people that are complaining that the LMG's are too accurate now and crappy noobs who say LMG's are "balanced" now.

The question I have for you is this, if you claim to have used the support kit as mich as you have in comparasin to other kits, in fact you say it was your most used weapon since "right before the patch" then how do you explain that the support kit isnt even in your top 3 kits played in terms of hours? in fact the only kits you have played LESS than support are Sniper (barley were talking less than an hour here) and Anti-Tank. The three kits you have played the most are (suprise,suprise) Spec-ops, Medic and Assult.....not Support.


I smell a still butt-hurt EX-pilot looking for something to beotch about since being told to go away thanks to the patch...and even if I'm wrong about that you are at best, just someone who is pissed off because his kit of choice isnt ruling the day.






these numbers for Nehby are from this site as of the time of this post....look them up if you like.

Anti-tank                            27:47:14 
Assault                              42:14:05     
Engineer                            39:37:39     
Medic                                44:09:27               
Special-Ops                       50:46:46             
Support                            33:50:48                 
Sniper                               32:59:26               
Totals                              271:25:25                   
Averages                          38:46:29

Huh? Type my name into the box above and serch, I only have 170 TOTAL hours! Plus anti-tank is my most played kit and LMG's my most used gun! You can't lie about someone's stats on a stite on which they can be looked up lol. O and if you feel like it open up BF2, find my profile and look at my ranking with LMG's, which is 5294 atm. Now tell me, how am I not qualified to say that 1.2 overpowered the PKM?

Last edited by Nehby (2006-02-23 21:59:45)

A few days ago, I was playing at Karkand map as a sniper with L96.
There were an enemy squad surrounding the USMC base. I got killed by them.
I respawned back away and approached to them from behind.
I hided behind a tree across the road. (I believe.. it was over a mid range)
I found them near the base through the scope of my beloved L96 and killed two of them.
I saw a support guy standing started blazing his mighty PKM to me.
He missed few shots.
I lined up and shot. I just missed his head, but still made a hit on his chest or shoulder. (This was my mistake. I should have made a head shot.. )
He started walking backward slowly (he must have zoomed in, I think) with shooting at me.
Just right before I shot the second round, he just put a bullet in my head!
"What the... "
Amazing.... he just killed me with one bullet as if he was a sniper even when he was walking and shooting with that damned PKM...
jaw dropped.. and I just laughed utterly.... ha ha ha ha .. darn~!

Last edited by Kwalken (2006-02-23 22:51:08)