GorillaTicTacs
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+231|6798|Kyiv, Ukraine
Were bought and sold dupes for the administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/20/washi … ref=slogin

Its 11 pages, but well worth the read.

The question is, will the next administration clean house or leave everything in place for their own use?

McCain?
Clinton?
Obama?
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6577|what

I actually think that it's the networks who have failed to interview credible sources, and are themselves to blame.

Sure, the Bush administration is clearly guilty of misleading the public, but the Networks presenting this "expert analysis" should be able to screen and select the most reliable sources themselves.

And as for the military experts, they were misled too obviously, but should have shown more objectivity and criticism than just regurgitating the same messages given during a White House press release.

It's arrogance and incompetence on all levels unfortunately.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6830|North Carolina
Aussie makes some good points.  Then again, what do you expect?  The "liberal" media is run by people who often have ties of their own to the military industrial complex and oil companies, so it's no surprise they would be complicit in this scam.
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6798|Kyiv, Ukraine
Executive summary done on another blog (why reinvent the wheel and make it square?):

GregMitch wrote:

-- The article has at least three tracks: One, the Pentagon deploying the analysts -- some 75 in number -- and the TV outlets happy to run with them; two, the analysts' further conflict-of-interest in being tied to defense contractors with billions of dollars invested in the war effort; three, the complete lack of interest by the TV outlets in either of the first two connections, or ignoring what they did know.  In fact, the networks raised no objections to the Pentagon paying for trips by the analysts. 

-- The effort began in "selling the war" -- going where even Judy Miller feared to tread -- and there are some startling admissions by some team members that they knew they were being sold a fairy tale on WMD, but went along with it anyway.  The moral bankruptcy is truly disgusting.

-- One analyst who did dare to criticize the Pentagon in one TV appearance was summarily kicked off the propaganda bus. In fact, the others followed the Pentagon talking points to the letter -- almost to the word.  The Pentagon helped two of them craft a Wall Street Journal piece. 

-- Besides helping the companies they were tied to, some of the analysts also got $500 to $1000 per appearance on TV.  Rest easy, Gen. Wesley Clark was not on the official Pentagon team.

-- While the focus of the article is very much on the TV propaganda (Fox News, of course, way in the lead) the New York Times admits that it published "at least" nine op-eds by the propagandists. And that paper, and all the other leading newspapers, quoted members of the group often. I'll be looking into that angle myself starting now, as a natural sequel to my book on Iraq and the media.
This is huge, this is probably the core of any kind of credibility or appearance of credibility any of the major networks had...and its blown out of the water.  There's no way to cover this, it was BLATANT...bought, sold, delivered propoganda right to the living rooms of millions of loyal "fair and balanced" TV viewers.  This, from what I gather, is where a lot of wingers get their perception of reality.  So what happens now that the rug has been pulled out from under some of the "truth" that they held so dear?

The answer, unfortunately, is "ignore it like a parking ticket and it'll go away."
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6835|'Murka

I can understand providing classified briefings to these guys...would certainly provide a perspective via their "reports" you wouldn't get otherwise.

I can understand flying them all down to Gitmo for a first-hand look at the conditions there (as has been done numerous times for NGAs and reporters).

I can even understand the administration giving them talking points.

But I can't understand them going off the talking points if they aren't reflective of their own analysis.

And I can't understand the lack of vetting by the media outlets...or was it a lack of candor on the part of the "analysts"?

Regardless, GTT is spot on...unconscionable.

Will be interesting to see the house cleaning done by the next administration. I hope it is extensive...particularly in the DoD.
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Laika
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+75|6368
Fuck the media and the government. Im sick of the hidden agendas and the propaganda and the mindless masses sucking it all up. This country needs a new direction, new leaders, people with heads on their shoulders and no ulterior motives and a public that cares.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7147|Eastern PA
Seems this may have been turned inward:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Pentagon is to close its Office of Strategic Influence after news outlets reported that it would spread disinformation to the overseas press.
Count me as another that can't understand why the news organizations would not at least check if their sources had possible conflicts of interest. This makes me wonder, given that stories like this (manipulation of intelligence, information operations, the Total Information Awareness program, etc.) had been trickling out for a while before and after Iraq, why no one had at least a passing thought as to whether or not the DoD had some kind of domestic propaganda program? Were they stupid? Or willing accomplices? Or both?
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7147|Eastern PA
You should look at this video the Times put up on their site regarding the controversy, it's a pretty good summary of events:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008 … SFELD.html
Vax
Member
+42|6276|Flyover country

Masques wrote:

You should look at this video the Times put up on their site regarding the controversy, it's a pretty good summary of events:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2008 … SFELD.html
Thanks I had not seen that


I agree it all seems pretty sinister,  when we hear about behind the scenes stuff like that.

And well, it IS sinister sending out a bunch of guys who are (mostly) in your camp, and intentionally putting them 'on message' but having them pose as educated experts and Impartial observers.

But that is politics and I am not surprised by any of this.

Just to play devils advocate a little..

These are old boys and I think a lot of them have the memory of Viet Nam looming in their heads. Conventional wisdom in those circles often says that that war was lost because of American public opinion..."you lose the public and you lose the war" type of thinking.

They didn't want a repeat of that experience, and when they saw the play the dissenting generals were getting in the media, they went into what we all know in politics as "damage control mode"

I won't deny that their methods were (are?) sleazy and dishonest, but if they geniunely felt that media coverage was gutting their effort .. and then the 'generals' story was hitting the fan --- I guess I can see how it happens. 



I don't think I need to get into how many  lives are lost on the ground when pols and "official types"  are distracted  with trying to tinker with public opinion and cover up (or just wind up ignoring)  reality.

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