I think so--technology, population control, formation of political entities.
I like pie.
Poll
War--is it good?
| Yes | 14% | 14% - 5 | ||||
| No | 58% | 58% - 20 | ||||
| I'm a hippie | 11% | 11% - 4 | ||||
| I'm an arms dealer--of course. | 14% | 14% - 5 | ||||
| Total: 34 | ||||||
Good, too nebulous.
Inevitable, yes.
Pleasant, no.
Beneficial in some ways, unequivocally.
Inevitable, yes.
Pleasant, no.
Beneficial in some ways, unequivocally.
Population Control? That's the sickest thing ever.TSI wrote:
I think so--technology, population control, formation of political entities.
But it does.ThaReaper wrote:
Population Control? That's the sickest thing ever.TSI wrote:
I think so--technology, population control, formation of political entities.
Think of how many more people Russia would have today if they didn't lose 6 million young men in WWII.
Population control? It's always the poor who die in war.
War is hell.
War is hell.
you knew it was coming
Very interesting question, and one that is really hard to answer. We know what war has produced (all of the points you mentioned) but we have never really had a long, widespread peace that points can be taken from. We know that war has produced leaps in technology, science, political entities, but who knows if those things would not have been produced just as well in peace? If our attention was not so much focused on the destruction of other people, isn't it reasonable to say that technological advances and scientific advances would be made towards helping and healing humans instead?
The military has a vested interest in keeping its soldiers alive. Its reasonable tos ay that innovation during war goes towards this. When the war ends, this is easily adopted for civilian use.Home wrote:
Very interesting question, and one that is really hard to answer. We know what war has produced (all of the points you mentioned) but we have never really had a long, widespread peace that points can be taken from. We know that war has produced leaps in technology, science, political entities, but who knows if those things would not have been produced just as well in peace? If our attention was not so much focused on the destruction of other people, isn't it reasonable to say that technological advances and scientific advances would be made towards helping and healing humans instead?
Is war good? Absolutely not.
Can war result in good things? Absolutely.
Can war result in good things? Absolutely.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
It really does next to nothing to control the population. It does have some benefits, but so do all things. It brings people together, it pushes technology, and it also temporarily relives tensions between countries. But to say that the few advantages outweigh the many horrible disadvantages is ridiculous. War is disgusting and terrible. Sometimes it is inevitable, and the final results are good, but more often than not it is not worth it.
Null vote.
I wouldn't call war good, however there are times when war is necessary.
The advancement of technology driven by the ever changing needs of war can be seen as a good thing by some, but whenever I think of this I still have to ask myself "At what cost did this come from?"
I wouldn't call war good, however there are times when war is necessary.
The advancement of technology driven by the ever changing needs of war can be seen as a good thing by some, but whenever I think of this I still have to ask myself "At what cost did this come from?"
Chamberlain and his Munich Pact gives an example that diplomacy does not always work.
This.FEOS wrote:
Is war good? Absolutely not.
Can war result in good things? Absolutely.
Ideally we wouldn't have war. We wouldn't have stuff like Vietnam. We wouldn't have a need for things like WWII because ideally, crazy fucks like Hitler would never gain power. Even then, it would have been wonderful if we could have stopped the Axis through diplomacy and not bullets.
But sometimes war must be waged.
This and the topic reminds me of something. Few months ago, was at school, these 3 kids were picking on this other one, oddly, the kid they were picking on was a beast, anyways, this big kid was just taking it, guess he got tired of it after awhile, after kindly asking them to shut up twice, then asking them to "shut the FUCK up already" again, he got up and laid one of em out.HurricaИe wrote:
This.FEOS wrote:
Is war good? Absolutely not.
Can war result in good things? Absolutely.
Ideally we wouldn't have war. We wouldn't have stuff like Vietnam. We wouldn't have a need for things like WWII because ideally, crazy fucks like Hitler would never gain power. Even then, it would have been wonderful if we could have stopped the Axis through diplomacy and not bullets.
But sometimes war must be waged.
What Im trying to say here is, you can be the biggest kid on the block, but if you aint gonna stand up for anything, your shit in the minds of everyone else.
Yeah... like I said, in a perfect world the 3 kids wouldn't have picked on him to begin with.Commie Killer wrote:
This and the topic reminds me of something. Few months ago, was at school, these 3 kids were picking on this other one, oddly, the kid they were picking on was a beast, anyways, this big kid was just taking it, guess he got tired of it after awhile, after kindly asking them to shut up twice, then asking them to "shut the FUCK up already" again, he got up and laid one of em out.HurricaИe wrote:
This.FEOS wrote:
Is war good? Absolutely not.
Can war result in good things? Absolutely.
Ideally we wouldn't have war. We wouldn't have stuff like Vietnam. We wouldn't have a need for things like WWII because ideally, crazy fucks like Hitler would never gain power. Even then, it would have been wonderful if we could have stopped the Axis through diplomacy and not bullets.
But sometimes war must be waged.
What Im trying to say here is, you can be the biggest kid on the block, but if you aint gonna stand up for anything, your shit in the minds of everyone else.
Yeah, human nature sucks.HurricaИe wrote:
Yeah... like I said, in a perfect world the 3 kids wouldn't have picked on him to begin with.Commie Killer wrote:
This and the topic reminds me of something. Few months ago, was at school, these 3 kids were picking on this other one, oddly, the kid they were picking on was a beast, anyways, this big kid was just taking it, guess he got tired of it after awhile, after kindly asking them to shut up twice, then asking them to "shut the FUCK up already" again, he got up and laid one of em out.HurricaИe wrote:
This.
Ideally we wouldn't have war. We wouldn't have stuff like Vietnam. We wouldn't have a need for things like WWII because ideally, crazy fucks like Hitler would never gain power. Even then, it would have been wonderful if we could have stopped the Axis through diplomacy and not bullets.
But sometimes war must be waged.
What Im trying to say here is, you can be the biggest kid on the block, but if you aint gonna stand up for anything, your shit in the minds of everyone else.
I don't even understand WHY it's human nature. You don't hear about... idk... pigeons waging war against each other.Commie Killer wrote:
Yeah, human nature sucks.HurricaИe wrote:
Yeah... like I said, in a perfect world the 3 kids wouldn't have picked on him to begin with.Commie Killer wrote:
This and the topic reminds me of something. Few months ago, was at school, these 3 kids were picking on this other one, oddly, the kid they were picking on was a beast, anyways, this big kid was just taking it, guess he got tired of it after awhile, after kindly asking them to shut up twice, then asking them to "shut the FUCK up already" again, he got up and laid one of em out.
What Im trying to say here is, you can be the biggest kid on the block, but if you aint gonna stand up for anything, your shit in the minds of everyone else.
It's not just human nature. It's just the nature of things in general.
Which war.
If it is a "just war," yes. There are things worth fighting for.
pigeons fight each other all the time, go downtown more often.HurricaИe wrote:
I don't even understand WHY it's human nature. You don't hear about... idk... pigeons waging war against each other.Commie Killer wrote:
Yeah, human nature sucks.HurricaИe wrote:
Yeah... like I said, in a perfect world the 3 kids wouldn't have picked on him to begin with.
animals go to "war" quite often, usually it's a one on one battle for supremacy, but many species can and will arrange themselves into a rank and file military structure, and actively attack rival groups.
It is indeed animal nature, and what are humans but slightly smarter animals?
But an equal or greater amount of time, attention and money is used on keeping opposing soldiers dead. If that went to the other purpose, who knows what we could achieve?nukchebi0 wrote:
The military has a vested interest in keeping its soldiers alive. Its reasonable tos ay that innovation during war goes towards this. When the war ends, this is easily adopted for civilian use.Home wrote:
Very interesting question, and one that is really hard to answer. We know what war has produced (all of the points you mentioned) but we have never really had a long, widespread peace that points can be taken from. We know that war has produced leaps in technology, science, political entities, but who knows if those things would not have been produced just as well in peace? If our attention was not so much focused on the destruction of other people, isn't it reasonable to say that technological advances and scientific advances would be made towards helping and healing humans instead?
I'm a hippy. (No, I'm not but thats how you guys would view me)
Personally, I think a bullet through the brain is the only thing someone who thinks war is good deserves.
We need to rid the world of these digenerate pigs and start over.
Here's Bill Hicks the guide you through the theory:
Personally, I think a bullet through the brain is the only thing someone who thinks war is good deserves.
We need to rid the world of these digenerate pigs and start over.
Here's Bill Hicks the guide you through the theory:
Are you expecting that 100% of research during peacetime would be dedicated to elongating human lives?Home wrote:
But an equal or greater amount of time, attention and money is used on keeping opposing soldiers dead. If that went to the other purpose, who knows what we could achieve?nukchebi0 wrote:
The military has a vested interest in keeping its soldiers alive. Its reasonable tos ay that innovation during war goes towards this. When the war ends, this is easily adopted for civilian use.Home wrote:
Very interesting question, and one that is really hard to answer. We know what war has produced (all of the points you mentioned) but we have never really had a long, widespread peace that points can be taken from. We know that war has produced leaps in technology, science, political entities, but who knows if those things would not have been produced just as well in peace? If our attention was not so much focused on the destruction of other people, isn't it reasonable to say that technological advances and scientific advances would be made towards helping and healing humans instead?
No, but I do expect that a drastically smaller amount of money would be dedicated to killing people. Think how much money just a single bomb costs. We would be saving massive amounts of money, which would be focused elsewhere, and probably a good portion of it would go to elongating human lives.nukchebi0 wrote:
Are you expecting that 100% of research during peacetime would be dedicated to elongating human lives?Home wrote:
But an equal or greater amount of time, attention and money is used on keeping opposing soldiers dead. If that went to the other purpose, who knows what we could achieve?nukchebi0 wrote:
The military has a vested interest in keeping its soldiers alive. Its reasonable tos ay that innovation during war goes towards this. When the war ends, this is easily adopted for civilian use.