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Why Am I a douche? Coz I want them to live in peace? Sorry, I'm a bad person. No soup for me.Vilham wrote:
O ffs... serge you are a douche sometimes, they have said this about 20 times and each time its resulted in Hamas throwing bombs at Israel.
I'm pretty sure its the Israeli's who want to talk, Hamas is the one lobbing rockets over the border and promting retailiatory strikes.sergeriver wrote:
Former US President Jimmy Carter has said that Hamas is prepared to accept the right of Israel to "live as a neighbour next door in peace".
Should Israel talk with Hamas or keep attacking Gaza?
Seriously, remember that this is Jimmy Carter....not a bad guy and tries to do the right things but is the last person to speak on behalf of Hamas or relay what they say. How many times has Hamas leadership cry for the wipe out of Israel, its part of their written statement and all of the sudden it is going to change because Jimmy Carter spoke to them? Be realistic.....its a ploy by Hamas and nothing more and Carter fell for it.sergeriver wrote:
Former US President Jimmy Carter has said that Hamas is prepared to accept the right of Israel to "live as a neighbour next door in peace".
Should Israel talk with Hamas or keep attacking Gaza?
No because you always start these little dig at Israel threads.sergeriver wrote:
Why Am I a douche? Coz I want them to live in peace? Sorry, I'm a bad person. No soup for me.Vilham wrote:
O ffs... serge you are a douche sometimes, they have said this about 20 times and each time its resulted in Hamas throwing bombs at Israel.
In your opinion, they should continue with this stupid war? Got it.Vilham wrote:
No because you always start these little dig at Israel threads.sergeriver wrote:
Why Am I a douche? Coz I want them to live in peace? Sorry, I'm a bad person. No soup for me.Vilham wrote:
O ffs... serge you are a douche sometimes, they have said this about 20 times and each time its resulted in Hamas throwing bombs at Israel.
I think Hamas militants are nutjobs, but if the talks lead to a peace agreement why not? The other option is to continue with the mess the region is now.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Seriously, remember that this is Jimmy Carter....not a bad guy and tries to do the right things but is the last person to speak on behalf of Hamas or relay what they say. How many times has Hamas leadership cry for the wipe out of Israel, its part of their written statement and all of the sudden it is going to change because Jimmy Carter spoke to them? Be realistic.....its a ploy by Hamas and nothing more and Carter fell for it.sergeriver wrote:
Former US President Jimmy Carter has said that Hamas is prepared to accept the right of Israel to "live as a neighbour next door in peace".
Should Israel talk with Hamas or keep attacking Gaza?
Can anyone honestly say that Hamas would stop its actions if the borders were restored.....I just don't believe that at all. It would be a miracle.
I concurMek-Stizzle wrote:
Palestinians are so fragmented. That even if Hamas, somehow, if they're not lying, say they will stop all the shit. It still won't actually stop. These people can't even get along with each other. I, personally, have no hope for the Palestinians. A lost cause.
I totally agree but I highly doubt ANYTHING will be constructive with Hamas. It is just too radical and its philosophies just dont mesh with working with Israel. I do believe that the Palestinian leadership needs to step up and just sit down with Israel, regardless of what Hamas thinks but as others have said...they cant even get along with themselves. Anyhow, I think it is just too early to have a parade because Carter talked with Hamas and claims that they said what he claims....let's hear it straight from Hamas and if they are serious about what they said to Carter then the bombings and rockets would stop ASAP.sergeriver wrote:
I think Hamas militants are nutjobs, but if the talks lead to a peace agreement why not? The other option is to continue with the mess the region is now.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Seriously, remember that this is Jimmy Carter....not a bad guy and tries to do the right things but is the last person to speak on behalf of Hamas or relay what they say. How many times has Hamas leadership cry for the wipe out of Israel, its part of their written statement and all of the sudden it is going to change because Jimmy Carter spoke to them? Be realistic.....its a ploy by Hamas and nothing more and Carter fell for it.sergeriver wrote:
Former US President Jimmy Carter has said that Hamas is prepared to accept the right of Israel to "live as a neighbour next door in peace".
Should Israel talk with Hamas or keep attacking Gaza?
Can anyone honestly say that Hamas would stop its actions if the borders were restored.....I just don't believe that at all. It would be a miracle.
Yeah, sometimes I think they are their worst enemy, but we should give them the opportunity to change. If they are ready to accept Israel, and stop the rocket attacks, Israel should deal with them.M.O.A.B wrote:
I concurMek-Stizzle wrote:
Palestinians are so fragmented. That even if Hamas, somehow, if they're not lying, say they will stop all the shit. It still won't actually stop. These people can't even get along with each other. I, personally, have no hope for the Palestinians. A lost cause.
Agreed. If they want to talk, they must stop the rockets.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
I totally agree but I highly doubt ANYTHING will be constructive with Hamas. It is just too radical and its philosophies just dont mesh with working with Israel. I do believe that the Palestinian leadership needs to step up and just sit down with Israel, regardless of what Hamas thinks but as others have said...they cant even get along with themselves. Anyhow, I think it is just too early to have a parade because Carter talked with Hamas and claims that they said what he claims....let's hear it straight from Hamas and if they are serious about what they said to Carter then the bombings and rockets would stop ASAP.sergeriver wrote:
I think Hamas militants are nutjobs, but if the talks lead to a peace agreement why not? The other option is to continue with the mess the region is now.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Seriously, remember that this is Jimmy Carter....not a bad guy and tries to do the right things but is the last person to speak on behalf of Hamas or relay what they say. How many times has Hamas leadership cry for the wipe out of Israel, its part of their written statement and all of the sudden it is going to change because Jimmy Carter spoke to them? Be realistic.....its a ploy by Hamas and nothing more and Carter fell for it.
Can anyone honestly say that Hamas would stop its actions if the borders were restored.....I just don't believe that at all. It would be a miracle.
No but for one thing, im not naive to think the blame is only Israels. Nor am I naive enough to believe something Hamas says, unlike you appear to be.sergeriver wrote:
In your opinion, they should continue with this stupid war? Got it.Vilham wrote:
No because you always start these little dig at Israel threads.sergeriver wrote:
Why Am I a douche? Coz I want them to live in peace? Sorry, I'm a bad person. No soup for me.
I don't place the blame just on Israel. I just pointed out that Hamas, the extremists, "say" (this you can believe or not) they are ready to deal with Israel. I may be naive, but at least I want them to live in peace. The other option is war.Vilham wrote:
No but for one thing, im not naive to think the blame is only Israels. Nor am I naive enough to believe something Hamas says, unlike you appear to be.sergeriver wrote:
In your opinion, they should continue with this stupid war? Got it.Vilham wrote:
No because you always start these little dig at Israel threads.
Some is pure hatred such asCharter of Hamas wrote:
The prophet, prayer and peace be upon him, said: The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews (and kill them); until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: O Muslim! there is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him! This will not apply to the Gharqad, which is a Jewish tree (cited by Bukhari and Muslim).
andCharter wrote:
Israel will rise and will remain erect until Islam eliminates it as it had eliminated its predecessors.
There is a little hope thoughCharter wrote:
Peace initiatives, the so-called peaceful solutions, and the international conferences to resolve the Palestinian problem, are all contrary to the beliefs of the Islamic Resistance Movement.
Having said that, unless the deep seated hatred can be changed ( such as the terms of this Charter) then I cant see too much change happening. I really hope I am wrong though, and that this is a sign of peace.charter wrote:
Hamas is a humane movement, which cares for human rights and is committed to the tolerance inherent in Islam as regards attitudes towards other religions. It is only hostile to those who are hostile towards it, or stand in its way in order to disturb its moves or to frustrate its efforts. Under the shadow of Islam it is possible for the members of the three religions: Islam, Christianity and Judaism to coexist in safety and security
No the other option is Hamas stands down and lets the Palestinians lead the lives they want. Rather than having people like you blame Israel for every injustice in the conflict, when infact Hamas is the cause of most of the problems.sergeriver wrote:
I don't place the blame just on Israel. I just pointed out that Hamas, the extremists, "say" (this you can believe or not) they are ready to deal with Israel. I may be naive, but at least I want them to live in peace. The other option is war.Vilham wrote:
No but for one thing, im not naive to think the blame is only Israels. Nor am I naive enough to believe something Hamas says, unlike you appear to be.sergeriver wrote:
In your opinion, they should continue with this stupid war? Got it.
The problems were there long before Hamas. If Hamas say they want to sort out peace, why not see if they mean it. The current situation is clearly not going to end itself. Israel need to seek peace because, as a small nation, they can only afford to loose once. One WMD in the hands of agrieved people could very well be the end of the situation and the end of Israel.Vilham wrote:
No the other option is Hamas stands down and lets the Palestinians lead the lives they want. Rather than having people like you blame Israel for every injustice in the conflict, when infact Hamas is the cause of most of the problems.sergeriver wrote:
I don't place the blame just on Israel. I just pointed out that Hamas, the extremists, "say" (this you can believe or not) they are ready to deal with Israel. I may be naive, but at least I want them to live in peace. The other option is war.Vilham wrote:
No but for one thing, im not naive to think the blame is only Israels. Nor am I naive enough to believe something Hamas says, unlike you appear to be.
The Israeli scholar YL Talmon writes that "Israel may be able to win and win and go on winning till its last breath, win itself to death.
Great point and is what I feel as well. How do you sit down with a group that has a charter that states the goal of the elimination of your country and daily sends rockets into populated areas without any regard of who it hits.rawls2 wrote:
Why wont the pro palistinians address the fact that no one is in control of the militants. Having hamas call for a truce means nothing if they themselves cant stop the rockets. This makes it ridiculous to put the burden on Israel.
After Mr Carter's remarks, Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal stressed that Hamas would not formally recognise Israel.
Ok..Hamas had reiterated its position that it could accept an Israeli state within its pre-1967 borders and live in peace with Israel, he said.
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