beerface702
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Bloody Start To Weekend: No Fewer Than 20 Shot
But Police Point Out Shootings, Murders Down So Far In 2008
CHICAGO (CBS) ― It was a violent night all across the city, with no fewer than 20 people shot on the streets from Friday afternoon through early Saturday.

The shootings have sent more than a dozen to area hospitals and three to the county morgue. Nine of the shootings happened in a period of less than two hours on Friday night.

The most serious shooting happened when the night was still fairly young, at 9:30 p.m. Two teens were shot dead in the 7500 block of South Phillips Avenue in the South Shore neighborhood, Fire Media Affairs Director Larry Langford said.

Police say gunmen jumped out of a car and opened fire. One of the teens suffered a gunshot wound to the chest and back, the other was shot in the neck, police said.

Melvin Thomas, of 14922 Washington Ave. in Harvey was pronounced dead at the Stein Institute at 1:20 a.m. Rhonell Savala, of 9750 S. Hoxie Ave. in Chicago, was pronounced dead at 12:50 a.m. Saturday at the Stein Institute. Both were 18.

Earlier in the evening, a 34-year-old south suburban man died after being shot just blocks from a police-involved shooting on the Far South Side.

The man was shot in the 11300 block of South Emerald Avenue before 7 p.m., according to police News Affairs Officer John Mirabelli. As responding officers investigated the shooting, shots were fired at Chicago Police in the 11000 block of South Union Avenue, Mirabelli said. No officers were injured.

Marcus Hendricks, of Flossmoor, died at Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn at 8 p.m., a Cook County Medical Examiner's office spokesman said.

Officers recovered an AK-47 assault rifle from the Union Avenue address, Mirabelli said.

Police did fire shots, but did not hit anyone, according to Independent Police Review Authority spokesman Mark Payne. The IPRA is investigating the incident.

In most of the other shootings, the injuries were less serious, but the violence affected nearly every part of the city.

In the Southeast Side's South Chicago neighborhood, two men suffered non-life-threatening gunshot wounds after hearing shots fired.

About 8:15 p.m., the two men, aged 25 and 24, were driving south on the 8200 block of South Muskegon Avenue, when they heard shots fired, police said. The men realized they had been hit, and drove themselves to Jackson Park Hospital, Banks said. Their injuries are not considered to be life-threatening.

At 9:30 p.m., three teens were shot near 70th and Wood streets in the West Englewood neighborhood. A 17-year-old was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn in critical condition from the Wood Street shooting, Langford said. A 16-year-old and 15-year-old in an unknown condition were also taken to either Christ or Holy Cross Hospital.

At 9:39 p.m., a 32-year-old man was shot in the 6400 block of South Morgan Street in the Englewood neighborhood, Langford said. The man was shot in the leg and hospital information was not immediately available.

At 9:42 p.m., a person was shot in the knee in the 11200 block of South State Street in the Roseland neighborhood, Langford said. The person was taken to Roseland Community Hospital in an unknown condition.

Shortly before midnight, two teenage boys were shot, again in the West Englewood neighborhood.

The boys, one 16-year-old and one 15-year-old, were shot in their legs at 6330 S. Damen Ave around 11:45 p.m.., Fire Media Affairs Director Larry Langford said. Both teens were taken to Holy Cross Hospital with non life-threatening injuries, Langford said.

And about 1:30 a.m., a robbery victim was shot on the 7900 block of South St. Lawrence Avenue. The robber demanded money from the victim, police said. The victim ran away, but not before the robber got off one shot.

But the South Side was not the only area affected by the rash of violence overnight. Shootings were also reported on the North and West sides.

In the 1000 block of West Sunnyside Avenue in the Uptown neighborhood, a man was shot in his upper thigh around 11:35 p.m., a Town Hall District officer said. The officer said the victim was not cooperating with police, and there were several conflicting stories about the shooting.

On the Southwest Side, a man riding in a car in the 5100 block of South Christiana Avenue was wounded when someone fired shots inside around 10:45 p.m. The man, believed to be in his 30s, was shot in his left arm and taken in good condition to Holy Cross Hospital, according to police News Affairs Officer David Banks.

On the West Side, a man was shot multiple times and critically wounded in the wee hours of the morning. The man was shot in the 700 block of North Drake Avenue just after 1:45 a.m., and taken in critical condition to Mount Sinai Hospital, Banks said.

Also on the West Side, 21-year-old man was in good condition early Saturday after he was shot in the right leg on the 4400 block of West Adams Street. The man was standing there abut 2:35 a.m. when someone in a passing car fired shots at him, police said.

No one was in custody in any of the shootings as of 6:30 a.m.

The rash of violence went back to daylight hours Friday. In broad daylight Friday, two teenage girls were shot in the thigh in separate incidents on the Southeast and Southwest sides.

In the first incident, a girl was shot and wounded in the arm in the 2700 block of West 66th Street. A Chicago Lawn District sergeant indicated that another person was also shot in the incident.

In the second incident, a 15-year-old girl was shot in the thigh in the 8700 block of South Euclid Avenue.

Just two blocks from the scene of the first shooting where a girl was wounded, a man was shot at 5:40 p.m., police said. He was wounded in the 2700 block of West 64th Street and taken to Holy Cross Hospital in an unknown condition.

And around 6:30 p.m., a teenage boy was shot in the 6000 block of South Campbell Avenue. He was taken to the University of Chicago's Comer Children's Hospital in serious condition, police said.


Police: Shootings Down In 2008
Only hours before the rash of shootings happened, police touted that murders and shootings were down through the first three months of 2008.

From January through March, murders decreased 1.1 percent and aggravated batteries decreased 0.8 percent, according to a release Friday from police. Criminal sexual assaults were down 13.9 percent, the release said. Robberies were up 16.3 percent in that time period. Overall crime was up 1.9 percent, though. The Harrison District on the West Side had the largest decrease compared to the same period last year, the release said, with an overall reduction in crime of 16.1 percent.

Since the beginning of the year through March, 70 percent of the murder victims had prior arrest records and 97 percent of the offenders had prior arrest records, according to police. Approximately 81 percent of the murders involved firearms, with the most common motive being something gang-related. Almost 30 percent of the murders were gang-related, the release said.

That was the first quarter of 2008. The next three months may be different if this past week is any indication.

From Monday, April 14 through early Saturday, there had been at least 35 shootings in the city, and at least six of those shootings turned out to be fatal.

The STNG Wire contributed to this report.
(© MMVIII, CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved.)
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6818|The Gem Saloon
35 shootings and only 6 fatalities?
fucking people need to learn to aim....
logitech487
Member
+16|6827|From The State Of Taxes
Chicago gun laws
It is unlawful to carry or possess any firearm in any vehicle or concealed on or about the person,is unlawful to possess any firearm or ammunition without a valid FOID.

It is unlawful for any person under the age of 18 to possess a handgun, or concealable firearm  over 21 years of age. If under 21, he must have the written consent of his parent or guardian. In such case, the guardian himself must not be ineligible for a FOID, and the applicant must never have been convicted of a misdemeanor or adjudged a delinquent.

Has never been convicted of a felony.

Is not a narcotics addict.

Has not been a patient in a mental hospital in the preceding five years.

Is not mentally retarded.

Is not an alien who is unlawfully present in the United States.

Is not subject to an existing order of protection prohibiting the possession of a firearm
Trotskygrad
бля
+354|6424|Vortex Ring State

Parker wrote:

35 shootings and only 6 fatalities?
fucking people need to learn to aim....
Better wounded then killed. Be grateful that the average gangster dosen't spend time at the firing range.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6818|The Gem Saloon

fermatx wrote:

Parker wrote:

35 shootings and only 6 fatalities?
fucking people need to learn to aim....
Better wounded then killed. Be grateful that the average gangster dosen't spend time at the firing range.
it was sarcasm.
this thread fails.
chittydog
less busy
+586|7259|Kubra, Damn it!

Is this level of gun-related violence normal for Chicago? Police say shootings had been down this year, for all we know this is a regular weekend in the Windy City. It could be lower or higher than normal, or just like any other weekend. Out-of-context statistics FTL!
mikkel
Member
+383|7026
Proof that defense doesn't work!

Lakers beat Nuggets 128-114! Denver Nuggets head coach George Karl reportedly focusing strictly on offense after clear proof that defense simply does not work.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7196|PNW

mikkel wrote:

Proof that defense doesn't work!

Lakers beat Nuggets 128-114! Denver Nuggets head coach George Karl reportedly focusing strictly on offense after clear proof that defense simply does not work.
Inapplicable. You can get in trouble for preemptive vigilantism.
twiistaaa
Member
+87|7093|mexico
what has gun control laws got to do with people shooting each other? if someone is willing to shoot someone then i doubt that law in set in place to stop them.. is going to stop them.

why are people shooting each other? is the question.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6748|New Haven, CT
He was using the violence to show gun control laws do not work.
twiistaaa
Member
+87|7093|mexico

nukchebi0 wrote:

He was using the violence to show gun control laws do not work.
if these laws were designed to work then only the people who follow them would have access to guns. the laws are probably in place to make it look like they give a shit.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7147|Eastern PA
Lot of leg shots. This thread needs more aimbots.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6748|New Haven, CT
I wasn't getting involved in the debate, just telling you what he was trying to do.
zeidmaan
Member
+234|6839|Vienna

nukchebi0 wrote:

He was using the violence to show gun control laws do not work.
But how do we know what the violence level would be if there were no gun control laws
Maybe there would be twice as many shootings?
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7266|Cologne, Germany

twiistaaa wrote:

what has gun control laws got to do with people shooting each other? if someone is willing to shoot someone then i doubt that law in set in place to stop them.. is going to stop them.
well, if gun control supposedly doesn't work, why have all western nations in europe that have strict gun control laws a lower homicide rate per capita than the US ? And by lower I mean three times lower....

The simple truth is, we have fewer gun crimes because we have fewer guns in circulation, and we have fewer guns in circulation because we have strict gun control laws. my 2c.

twiistaaa wrote:

why are people shooting each other? is the question.
the question from an US point of view should be, why are people in the US shooting each other at a much higher rate than in any other developped western nation ? Maybe because of the huge number of guns in circulation ? could that be it ? Or are Americans simply more violent than other westerners ?

I can tell you from the top of my head that I have never seen such a level of gun violence or gun related incidents in any major german city ever
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7266|Cologne, Germany

zeidmaan wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

He was using the violence to show gun control laws do not work.
But how do we know what the violence level would be if there were no gun control laws
Maybe there would be twice as many shootings?
obviously, zeidmaan, your logic fails you. How dare you imply that availability of guns has anything to do with gun crime ?

/irony
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6530|eXtreme to the maX
Its a good chance its mostly homeys shooting homeys so who gives a crap?
Fuck Israel
Reciprocity
Member
+721|7005|the dank(super) side of Oregon

B.Schuss wrote:

zeidmaan wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

He was using the violence to show gun control laws do not work.
But how do we know what the violence level would be if there were no gun control laws
Maybe there would be twice as many shootings?
obviously, zeidmaan, your logic fails you. How dare you imply that availability of guns has anything to do with gun crime ?

/irony
Do you think these animals wouldn't be committing crimes if guns didn't exist?  Crime didn't exist before the invention gun powder and fireams? If you took away every conceivable weapon and left people naked with a dandelion and a hand full of powdered sugar, people would still find a way to harm each other, it's human nature.  Gun control laws only control law abiding citizens.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6530|eXtreme to the maX
Do you think these animals wouldn't be committing crimes if guns didn't exist?
Probably not, but easy access to firearms means what would have been a shouting match becomes a shootout.
I don't really care if gangsters want to take each other out however.
Fuck Israel
beerface702
Member
+65|7117|las vegas
this site is slow lately.

anyway look all the post was about is, if some of these good citizen's may have had the right to carry on the person in open carry like neveda, or conceled with permit & training like neveda, or open carry in an automobile..50% of these deaths could have possibly been avoided, if the victem knew how to use a firearem in due stress..which is hard, I know trust me. Some of these victims from the descriptions sound like possible gang affiliated. But some are hapless victims, older people who should be treated with respect, and Im sure most older citizens in chigago would like the right to cary a gun in peace with proper training. But no.

BTW Las vegas is not a shining example of a safe city, but for the most part shootings are pretty rare here..only about 80 a year if that. For 2 million people that isnt bad. There are more death's by drunk drivers and knifes, bar fights, hit and runs here then anything, hit and run is big in las vegas for some reason.

Last edited by beerface702 (2008-04-22 02:53:17)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6530|eXtreme to the maX
50% of these deaths could have possibly been avoided, if the victem knew how to use a firearem in due stress
I'm not even sure I buy that argument, the best defence against someone with a gun is a bullet-proof vest and a set of running shoes.
In the average civilian encounter just how useful is a gun?
If the other guy is already pointing a loaded gun at you just what are you going to do?
That gun in your pocket is not much use, unless you can draw, aim and fire before he can move his finger 1mm.
Fuck Israel
beerface702
Member
+65|7117|las vegas

zeidmaan wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

He was using the violence to show gun control laws do not work.
But how do we know what the violence level would be if there were no gun control laws
Maybe there would be twice as many shootings?
move to neveda, there are really no gun control law's here, except for simple one's like not to carry on university/goverment properity. Otherwise it's fare game. you can carry in your car exposed on the hip, or in public anywhere you want(and drink exposed anywhere you want..sort of). One can apply for a permit for a CCW carry if one likes, or open carry for alot less which I do, nothing scream's leave me the fuck alone in a crap mart parking lot if I have to go, like a Stainless steal Colt 45 Gov series 80. One can shoot anywhere withing 1000 yards with any rim or centerfire gun of any home or building, except state buildings, which is 2500 yards( i go out to indian springs 3 mi from state prison to shoot my AK's, no issue with police). One can own a full auto if one can obtain BATF approval, which is normal for 32 states..so no big deal. There is no waiting period for handguns, except 3 day's cool of period for first time buyers..alot diffrent in some of those states. No hi-cap mag restrictions, no nothing restrcitions...one can even own hand grenades in this state with a paper from the city sheriff..I should because I have 15. Anyway not fully free, but damn close..and the only reason I still live in thise town because I enjoy shooting, otherwise I would be out of here ASAP.
beerface702
Member
+65|7117|las vegas

Dilbert_X wrote:

50% of these deaths could have possibly been avoided, if the victem knew how to use a firearem in due stress
I'm not even sure I buy that argument, the best defence against someone with a gun is a bullet-proof vest and a set of running shoes.
In the average civilian encounter just how useful is a gun?
If the other guy is already pointing a loaded gun at you just what are you going to do?
That gun in your pocket is not much use, unless you can draw, aim and fire before he can move his finger 1mm.
a valid point, but that is what experience in drawing and handling a gun from a holster is about, your avg thug doesnt know shit about guns.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7266|Cologne, Germany

Reciprocity wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

zeidmaan wrote:


But how do we know what the violence level would be if there were no gun control laws
Maybe there would be twice as many shootings?
obviously, zeidmaan, your logic fails you. How dare you imply that availability of guns has anything to do with gun crime ?

/irony
Do you think these animals wouldn't be committing crimes if guns didn't exist?  Crime didn't exist before the invention gun powder and fireams? If you took away every conceivable weapon and left people naked with a dandelion and a hand full of powdered sugar, people would still find a way to harm each other, it's human nature.  Gun control laws only control law abiding citizens.
ridiculous. With that kind of argument, you could justify giving free weapons out to everyone, since there is no way to stop what criminals do anyway.

I mean, come on, that's like saying we don't need tax legislation, because people are going to withhold taxes anyway.

Of course crime exists. But does that mean that we shouldn't try as much as possible to limit access to dangerous firearms, instead of making it easier ?

We make laws because we know that crime exists, not in spite of it. If you don't subscribe to that, you might just as well give up on the concept of the rule of law altogether and live in total anarchy.

In germany, we have very little gun crime. We also have strict gun control legislation. I happen to believe that there is a connection between these things, you know. Gun control leads to fewer guns in circulation leads to less gun crime.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7266|Cologne, Germany

beerface702 wrote:

Dilbert_X wrote:

50% of these deaths could have possibly been avoided, if the victem knew how to use a firearem in due stress
I'm not even sure I buy that argument, the best defence against someone with a gun is a bullet-proof vest and a set of running shoes.
In the average civilian encounter just how useful is a gun?
If the other guy is already pointing a loaded gun at you just what are you going to do?
That gun in your pocket is not much use, unless you can draw, aim and fire before he can move his finger 1mm.
a valid point, but that is what experience in drawing and handling a gun from a holster is about, your avg thug doesnt know shit about guns.
well, you "average" thug doesn't really need to have that much experience, does he ?
When he has the gun pointed at your head already, you really think anyone with a sane mind would try to make a move at drawing his own gun, much less lock&load, release the safety and aim ?

I can understand why someone would want to have a gun at home, to protect his family, but who in his right mind would want to risk his life for a fucking wallet and a mobile phone ? I mean, seriously, we are talking about life or death decisions here, for a wallet ?

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