Poll

Would you support an ISP tax for unlimited LEGAL music downloads?

Heck yeah!44%44% - 22
No32%32% - 16
No, I'm cheap I'd rather use Limewire than pay $524%24% - 12
Total: 50
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

ghettoperson wrote:

I think the second one is what I meant. I don't really know the specifics; just that there are rumours on the internets that in Canuckistan you pay a tax; not sure if everyone pays this or just on the purchase of certain products, and this goes to artists and so people can legally download music.
Ahhh.  I gotcha.  The problem that I have with such a measure is that it forces people who don't consume the product to pay for it.  There are times when this is acceptable, like taxes to pay for public education, but levying a fee to keep a private corporation afloat is ridiculous. 

Let the corporations live and die according to how they do business, not by the will of the government.
some_random_panda
Flamesuit essential
+454|6815

I'd support it if the tax was opt in/opt out sort of thing, and if my ISP made the download unmetered (yes, in Australia we have download caps still).

EDIT:  Hell, why not an all-round entertainment tax - movies, games for use as long as you opt in, music etc.

Last edited by some_random_panda (2008-04-25 21:56:29)

SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

some_random_panda wrote:

I'd support it if the tax was opt in/opt out sort of thing, and if my ISP made the download unmetered (yes, in Australia we have download caps still).
If it's an opt-in/out measure, why have the ISP collect the fee?  Why not let people pay for a service directly? 

The big failing here is that the music industry is failing to offer a method acceptable to consumers.  Since consumers can either pay for something that sucks (DRM won't let it work on media players, etc...) or get it for free, many choose the free option.  If the industry offered something that was the same quality, or better, than the piracy methods while keeping the costs low, more people would probably opt for that.  The other thing the music (or even more generally, media) industry needs to realize is that not everyone who downloads is a potential customer.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7073

SenorToenails wrote:

ghettoperson wrote:

I think the second one is what I meant. I don't really know the specifics; just that there are rumours on the internets that in Canuckistan you pay a tax; not sure if everyone pays this or just on the purchase of certain products, and this goes to artists and so people can legally download music.
Ahhh.  I gotcha.  The problem that I have with such a measure is that it forces people who don't consume the product to pay for it.  There are times when this is acceptable, like taxes to pay for public education, but levying a fee to keep a private corporation afloat is ridiculous. 

Let the corporations live and die according to how they do business, not by the will of the government.
No, I agree it's an odd system. The only thing I would say that it has in it's favour is that (apparently) the money supports the artists rather than the corps. Which is fine by me; as far as I'm concerned artists get a terrible deal on CD's; partly why I prefer to go see bands I like in concert and download their CD's rather than buy CD's and not be able to afford to see them.
mikkel
Member
+383|7025
That's ridiculous. Another desperate measure by the music industry to get massive, steady revenue streams going. If this was a $5 thing you could opt out of, it'd be a hell of a deal, but knowing the music industry, this is $5 for every connection anywhere, no opting out, and special provisions in small print saying ".. up to 10 downloads per month.."

May these people die fiery deaths for trying their hardest to prey on other people to recoup the losses that their short-sighted and failing business cases, and their abusive litigious nature have earned them.
Pierre
I hunt criminals down for a living
+68|7099|Belgium

SenorToenails wrote:

Fuck no.

Why should I pay to subsidize some cheap asshole's music habit?  I'm fine with the radio, thanks.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
jord
Member
+2,382|7102|The North, beyond the wall.
I'm fine with how it is now. Free Music, for free.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6577|what

I'd be willing to pay that amount for downloading games, but certainly not music or movies. Mind you, atm I've downloaded gigs of movies and music and only one or two games.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
jord
Member
+2,382|7102|The North, beyond the wall.
Downloading music is probably the most laughable law, next to underage drinking.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7196|PNW

The fact of the matter is that a chunk of plastic with a small slip of paper (if even that) listing track titles is not an enticing product. These guys need to get this fact through their heads. If the music industry would just go back to classic style albums with tons of extras, internet piracy rates would seriously drop.

My favorite style of music is cinema soundtrack. How screwed up is it that the audio discs are often more expensive than the films themselves?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2008-04-26 15:39:04)

Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7089|NT, like Mick Dundee

SenorToenails wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Toenails, does Britney Spears really need more cash? She's already proven she's not actually mature enough to handle what she has.
That's not the point at all.  The logic you propose is so fundamentally flawed that it's just sad.  Maybe you should just be honest and say you are too cheap to actually buy your music?

Apply that same logic to anything else in life.  Walmart doesn't need more money, so it would be OK to not pay them.  The supermarket doesn't need more money, so it would be OK to not pay them.  Similarly, what if your employer decided that you did not need more money?  I bet you wouldn't be happy at all.
Point well made but I do have another problem as far as buying CDs goes. I live in a veeery remote place and am 500+ km from the nearest music store, once I start earning money again I'll probs get on itunes. As far as food goes there is a national enquiry here in Australia into overpricing of fresh fruit, vegetables and meat in supermarkets.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
BlackKoala
Member
+215|6749
I would gladly pay $5-10 more a month if it meant moar music!
The#1Spot
Member
+105|6964|byah
Why would you start paying for something if an item is easily attainable, low risk and free.
topthrill05
Member
+125|7002|Rochester NY USA

The#1Spot wrote:

Why would you start paying for something if an item is easily attainable, low risk and free.
Why should I argue with someone who already condones stealing?
BlackKoala
Member
+215|6749

The#1Spot wrote:

Why would you start paying for something if an item is easily attainable, low risk and free.
because the 'low risk' would go to 'no risk'...
Roger Lesboules
Ah ben tabarnak!
+316|7001|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!
Humm, i would only if they would lunch a way to get my hand on all the music, like opening an Itunes store...but free. Not just saying " Aight, keep torrenting music we wont sue you". And its not very likely to happen.

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