stratozyck
Member
+35|7056
What do you think the highest rate of interest that can be legally charged in the US is?  25%? 30%?  Maybe even 50%?

Not even close, try over 300%.  You read that correctly, over 300%.  I work in an HQ for a title loan company, and I was astounded to see what they are doing to poor people. 

Right now I am looking at one woman's account.  She used her car title to get a $350 loan three years ago.  Fast forward to today - she has paid over $2700 and has hardly paid down the loan at all.  Her interest rate is 304.17%.  Its absolutely insane that this is legal - its an exploit of the 1994 banking deregulation.  A lot of states have clamped down on it but too many haven't. 

Now, this woman is an idiot.  Theres no doubt about that.  The car she used as collateral is a 1982 Toyota pickup. She would be better of letting them repo it.  Theres no way that car is worth more than a few hundred bucks, yet shes paid 2700 to keep it.  The best part is she has another loan that is exactly like this, so take what she's paid and owes and multiply it by 2. 

I am leaving the job soon to go for a PhD - I would like to research the effect of these types of loans and see if I can't help get them banned outright.  This woman may be an idiot, but the people who own the company know EXACTLY what they are doing - taking advantage of poor ignorant people. 

You wonder what helps cause the credit crunch?  This is one of the causes.  Write your papers, congressmen, etc... we need to stop this ASAP.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina
I'd say the most that should be legally allowed is 100%, but again, you'd have to be an idiot to accept paying that.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6992|Mountains of NC

would you get in trouble if you contacted her and explained the situation to her and what she has done



300% ------ fuck that ....... I raise hell when I see mine go over 12%
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stratozyck
Member
+35|7056

SEREMAKER wrote:

would you get in trouble if you contacted her and explained the situation to her and what she has done
Oh yeah I signed a contract when I got hired, I would get fired, prosecuted, sued... etc.  All I can access is her name anyway.  All I do there is fix computers in the main office.  I was bored one day and started looking around in the database and was shocked to see that was what they do. 

The law in most places is that you can only charge those rates for a month long loan.  They get around that by closing the first one and opening a new one every month.  So while this three year loan is in no way still a short term loan, they see it as 36 one month loans.
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|7005|SE London

You see plenty of dodgy places offering interest of about 1100% over here. Those little places that offer "cash now to get you through till payday" all have obscene interest rates, but few people notice just how high they are because they typically pay the money back after a few days.
The#1Spot
Member
+105|6964|byah
I would rather be in debt than pay those retarded rates. But I bet though if you just paid on time you wont see over 20%.
zeidmaan
Member
+234|6839|Vienna

According to Sharia law its illegal to charge interest rates
jamiet757
Member
+138|7046

stratozyck wrote:

What do you think the highest rate of interest that can be legally charged in the US is?  25%? 30%?  Maybe even 50%?

Not even close, try over 300%.  You read that correctly, over 300%.  I work in an HQ for a title loan company, and I was astounded to see what they are doing to poor people. 

Right now I am looking at one woman's account.  She used her car title to get a $350 loan three years ago.  Fast forward to today - she has paid over $2700 and has hardly paid down the loan at all.  Her interest rate is 304.17%.  Its absolutely insane that this is legal - its an exploit of the 1994 banking deregulation.  A lot of states have clamped down on it but too many haven't. 

Now, this woman is an idiot.  Theres no doubt about that.  The car she used as collateral is a 1982 Toyota pickup. She would be better of letting them repo it.  Theres no way that car is worth more than a few hundred bucks, yet shes paid 2700 to keep it.  The best part is she has another loan that is exactly like this, so take what she's paid and owes and multiply it by 2. 

I am leaving the job soon to go for a PhD - I would like to research the effect of these types of loans and see if I can't help get them banned outright.  This woman may be an idiot, but the people who own the company know EXACTLY what they are doing - taking advantage of poor ignorant people. 

You wonder what helps cause the credit crunch?  This is one of the causes.  Write your papers, congressmen, etc... we need to stop this ASAP.
This woman is an idiot alright. Now I am not saying that it is okay for companies to take advantage of stupid people like this, it is very very wrong, but don't forget, it is not your responsibility to watch out for this woman. She has the responsibility to take care of herself, and she obviously doesn't care/doesn't want to/doesn't know where she is right now.

You don't need to watch out for the stupid people in the world, if you want to, go ahead that makes you a very nice person, but not helping stupid people doesn't make you a bad person.

If we all watched out for all the idiots in the world, everyone who isn't an idiot would be very very busy and get nothing accomplished, and the stupid people would never learn anything if someone else helped them anytime they got into trouble.

Just some food for thought.
stratozyck
Member
+35|7056

jamiet757 wrote:

This woman is an idiot alright. Now I am not saying that it is okay for companies to take advantage of stupid people like this, it is very very wrong, but don't forget, it is not your responsibility to watch out for this woman. She has the responsibility to take care of herself, and she obviously doesn't care/doesn't want to/doesn't know where she is right now.

You don't need to watch out for the stupid people in the world, if you want to, go ahead that makes you a very nice person, but not helping stupid people doesn't make you a bad person.

If we all watched out for all the idiots in the world, everyone who isn't an idiot would be very very busy and get nothing accomplished, and the stupid people would never learn anything if someone else helped them anytime they got into trouble.

Just some food for thought.
I agree somewhat.  But, these places also spend a lot of money on advertising to make what they do seem like a great deal.  Also, what if places like this drive people to commit crimes?  What is the overall affect on the economy of thousands of lower income people being robbed of their cars and money?  I ask questions like this because I am studying to be an Economist. 

Before the explosion of credit in the 80s, it was hard for someone to get in these types of trouble.  There still were "idiots," but there were a lot less people able to make heaps of legal profit off of them.  Sure, there are idiots that will do illegal things like smoke meth and do heroin.  And there are people taking advantage of that by selling them that.  But the difference is we try to go after the drug dealers.  This is the same reason gambling is usually illegal.  Of course gamblers are idiots, but we try not let people take advantage of this.

Plus, I think you calling these people "idiots" is unfair.  I don't know if you've ever been in a vulnerable situation where you could fall prey to this.  I never have been that bad, but when I was younger I did take out credit cards I shouldn't have.  A lot of their customers may be making these decisions mostly out of financial duress instead of logic. 

Also, I have to ask the question, who would benefit from this type of loan?  Is there one group of pepole that could possibly see these these short term high interest loans actually worth it?  I can think of one - drug dealers.  And believe it or not, looking through the database I have come across people taking out these loans on a monthly basis and paying them back two weeks later.  Of course its speculation, but who would take out 12 of these in a year and see these as a good idea?  Only drug dealers come to mind.  Again, this is all speculation, but in college I did know a guy that financed his bulk purchases of marijuana with credit card advances.  It did pay off for him.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6953|Global Command

zeidmaan wrote:

According to Sharia law its illegal to charge interest rates
Unless your customer is not Muslim.

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