LividBovine
The Year of the Cow!
+175|6804|MN

DrunkFace wrote:

Again you show your 'cultural' upbringing. There are countries that have a legal drinking age as low as 11. Just because you have been brought up in America (one of the most 'conservative' countries in the world, baring some Muslim states) does not make it either 'right' or 'normal'. In fact, going by world wide social medium, America (and you) is 'wrong'.
So you are comfortable taking an 11 year old out to the bar and taking them home for the night?
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JahManRed
wank
+646|7052|IRELAND

Religion as I see it, was basically wrote by men to ensure men remain at the top of society and in control. It is then used in its extreme to justify Jihad, crusades and basically mans lust to dominate his fellow man is facilitated through religions. Now men are using it to fulfill their twisted perverted fantasies with religion as their vail of legitimacy. There is no defence. If you have morals and look at it from a human not a religious perspective its indefinable. Its a woman's right to choose who she has sex and children with not her fathers.

Last edited by JahManRed (2008-04-29 02:39:03)

B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7265|Cologne, Germany

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

LividBovine wrote:

nukchebi0 wrote:

Few bf2s members are emotionally mature
Fixed
re-fixed.



B.Schuss wrote:

Why are we even discussing this ?
Freedom of religion surely does not cover the sexual abuse of little children, does it ?
If you mean why are we discussing age of maturation, the point is that the question is whether they are 'little children' or not - if they've reached the age of sexual maturity, then they're not 'children'.

Then, on the question of whether it is 'abuse' or not - if it's consensual and they're emotionally mature, then it's not abuse.
are you insane ? No wait, why am I even asking ? ??!

even if I was prepared to even randomly consider that a child 13 or 14 years of age could be emotionally mature enough to grasp the concept of relationship, sex and all that goes with it ( which I am not ), this is not the issue here. These kids did not grow up in a normal environment, together with the rest of society. They lived in an fundamentalist theme park, and were brainwashed to believe that this kind of behaviour was the norm. They were taught that it was perfectly acceptable for them to have sex with an old guy. Which it clearly is not.
Are you honestly telling me these poor kids even had a real choice, or the knowledge to make an educated decision wether what was asked from them was right ?

The fact of the matter is, the age of consent in Texas is 17, and that's a long shot from 13 or 14. They broke the fucking law, and what's worse, they abused their own children, whome they had pledged to protect and care for. I find this disgusting, and from my point of view, religious or not, these pedos deserve no better than to be locked up in prison where their fellow prisoners will teach them valuable lessons about abuse.
Let's see how they like it.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7025|132 and Bush

DrunkFace wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

lol.. Is your little png file supposed to be reasonable justification for pedophilia? (I must be brainwashed)..what a joke.

btw , you havent a clue what I am arguing.
You have been culturally brainwashed. Everyone has. And no its not 'justification' for paedophilia, it's to show you differing cultures have differing views on what paedophilia is.

Kmarion wrote:

I did, I addressed the absurdity of your statement. If they are emotionally mature enough to consent to sex why stop there. If they can have kids at 13 (consenting of course ) lets let them start drinking at 13.. lets send them off to fight wars. The fact that you even think that a 13 year old is capable of being emotionally secure enough to have kids says it all.
Again you show your 'cultural' upbringing. There are countries that have a legal drinking age as low as 11. Just because you have been brought up in America (one of the most 'conservative' countries in the world, baring some Muslim states) does not make it either 'right' or 'normal'. In fact, going by world wide social medium, America (and you) is 'wrong'.
I get it now. Drunk children are the way of the world. Ironically it took a guy who calls himself Drunkface to show me the light (imagine that).

You guys are still stuck to the thought that this is limited to cultural acceptability (or at least that is where you are trying to pigeonhole me). I think it is a component, but I also believe there is a good reason some of us have chosen to leave those beliefs behind. I have my opinions, and just because it differs from yours you need not think I don't have the mental capacity to imagine cultural differences.

BTW: your consent graphic does not necessarily apply to a 35 year old man having sex with a kid. Consent does not necessarily mean minor/adult.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
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Member
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The last time I fucked a teenager was 4 years ago.  I was 26, she was 19 and I used a condom.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7265|Cologne, Germany

Pubic wrote:

The last time I fucked a teenager was 4 years ago.  I was 26, she was 19 and I used a condom.
well, +1 for the condom, I guess...
madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|7134|Sweden

B.Schuss wrote:

. These kids did not grow up in a normal environment, together with the rest of society. They lived in an fundamentalist theme park, and were brainwashed to believe that this kind of behaviour was the norm. They were taught that it was perfectly acceptable for them to have sex with an old guy. Which it clearly is not.
This is spot on.
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7140
Those assholes should be stabbed. I agree with Schuss how they are still considered kids, they don't know jack shit.
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ATG
Banned
+5,233|6953|Global Command

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Wait for any evidence whatsoever of anyone having sex with 12 year olds, go on, hold your breath. No sane person of any faith requires the state to point out the obvious.
Dude, read.

BBC wrote:

Authorities believe that of the 53 girls aged between 14 and 17, 29 are already mothers and two are pregnant.
So, take into account the 9 months, and some couldn't have been older than 13. Is that much better than 12?

Of course, it could all be media bollocks, and they lumped them all into one category, while only the older ones had children. Then again, at what age would you say it is acceptable for older dudes to have sex with younger girls? 16? 17? Or not until they're legally adults?
Dude, you read.
The man said 12, not me.


Funny how some of you people carry on about the futility of changing hard set religious attitudes around the world.


Then carry on about changing it here.


Good luck with that.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7265|Cologne, Germany

ATG wrote:

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Wait for any evidence whatsoever of anyone having sex with 12 year olds, go on, hold your breath. No sane person of any faith requires the state to point out the obvious.
Dude, read.

BBC wrote:

Authorities believe that of the 53 girls aged between 14 and 17, 29 are already mothers and two are pregnant.
So, take into account the 9 months, and some couldn't have been older than 13. Is that much better than 12?

Of course, it could all be media bollocks, and they lumped them all into one category, while only the older ones had children. Then again, at what age would you say it is acceptable for older dudes to have sex with younger girls? 16? 17? Or not until they're legally adults?
Dude, you read.
The man said 12, not me.


Funny how some of you people carry on about the futility of changing hard set religious attitudes around the world.


Then carry on about changing it here.


Good luck with that.
thanks. But I don't think we're out to change religions as a whole. Following the law of the land would be a start though...

and how come you're so negative about this ?
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6953|Global Command
Because I know more about this issue than anybody on this forum as...well,  nevermind.

Because America was founded by people seeking freedom of religion.
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6917|Connecticut
Because religion usually ends up in one's will being forced upon another one's will. The more peacfull religions may not be as pushy, but they still think that they are right and others who do not follow are wrong for doing so. This is where society becomes a cluster fuck. I believe in free will and that my destiny has been chosen already. I don't need to spend my life following rules set by other men in the name of a higher power in hopes of securing a blissful afterlife.
Malloy must go
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6917|Connecticut

ATG wrote:

Because I know more about this issue than anybody on this forum as...well,  nevermind.

Because America was founded by people seeking freedom of religion.
But now people seek fredom from religion.
Malloy must go
Sorcerer0513
Member
+18|6966|Outer Space

ATG wrote:

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Wait for any evidence whatsoever of anyone having sex with 12 year olds, go on, hold your breath. No sane person of any faith requires the state to point out the obvious.
Dude, read.

BBC wrote:

Authorities believe that of the 53 girls aged between 14 and 17, 29 are already mothers and two are pregnant.
So, take into account the 9 months, and some couldn't have been older than 13. Is that much better than 12?

Of course, it could all be media bollocks, and they lumped them all into one category, while only the older ones had children. Then again, at what age would you say it is acceptable for older dudes to have sex with younger girls? 16? 17? Or not until they're legally adults?
Dude, you read.
The man said 12, not me.


Funny how some of you people carry on about the futility of changing hard set religious attitudes around the world.


Then carry on about changing it here.


Good luck with that.
Well, my point was this. You said you're waiting for evidence of anyone having sex with 12 year olds. I pointed out, that if it wasn't a usual media cock-up, someone had sex with a 13 year old. You see, 14 years old and already have a baby, or is pregnant, the chances are quite big that the girl was only 13 when they had intercourse. So, if a 14 year old is indeed pregnant(like I said, if it wasn't usual media misinformation), that is in fact evidence someone stuck something somewhere where it didn't belong.

Am I being more clear than before, or did I manage to make an even bigger mess out of my reply?

Last edited by Sorcerer0513 (2008-04-29 07:19:48)

ATG
Banned
+5,233|6953|Global Command

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

ATG wrote:

Wait for any evidence whatsoever of anyone having sex with 12 year olds, go on, hold your breath. No sane person of any faith requires the state to point out the obvious.
Dude, read.

So, take into account the 9 months, and some couldn't have been older than 13. Is that much better than 12?

Of course, it could all be media bollocks, and they lumped them all into one category, while only the older ones had children. Then again, at what age would you say it is acceptable for older dudes to have sex with younger girls? 16? 17? Or not until they're legally adults?
Dude, you read.
The man said 12, not me.


Funny how some of you people carry on about the futility of changing hard set religious attitudes around the world.


Then carry on about changing it here.


Good luck with that.
Well, my point was this. You said you're waiting for evidence of anyone having sex with 12 year olds. I pointed out, that if it wasn't a usual media cock-up, someone had sex with a 13 year old. You see, 14 years old and already have a baby, or is pregnant, the chances are quite big that the girl was only 13 when they had intercourse. So, if a 14 year old is indeed pregnant(like I said, if it wasn't usual media misinformation), that is in fact evidence someone stuck something somewhere where it didn't belong.

Am I being more clear than before, or did I manage to make an even bigger mess out of my reply?
The deal is,  this issue is too close to home for me as I have personal experience with these people and know them for what they are, not what the media would like them to be.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7265|Cologne, Germany

ATG wrote:

Sorcerer0513 wrote:

ATG wrote:


Dude, you read.
The man said 12, not me.


Funny how some of you people carry on about the futility of changing hard set religious attitudes around the world.


Then carry on about changing it here.


Good luck with that.
Well, my point was this. You said you're waiting for evidence of anyone having sex with 12 year olds. I pointed out, that if it wasn't a usual media cock-up, someone had sex with a 13 year old. You see, 14 years old and already have a baby, or is pregnant, the chances are quite big that the girl was only 13 when they had intercourse. So, if a 14 year old is indeed pregnant(like I said, if it wasn't usual media misinformation), that is in fact evidence someone stuck something somewhere where it didn't belong.

Am I being more clear than before, or did I manage to make an even bigger mess out of my reply?
The deal is,  this issue is too close to home for me as I have personal experience with these people and know them for what they are, not what the media would like them to be.
so what you're saying is that apart from the fact that they force their own little children to have sex with older members of the community ( which in the real world, is considered child abuse ), they're actually pretty decent people ?
No offense, I don't know what your "experience" with them has been, but if that ( the child abuse thing ) was the only information I had on these people, it would be enough to not really like them.
Sometimes, it only takes a little bit of info to provoke that kind of reaction in me, you know...
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6953|Global Command

B.Schuss wrote:

so what you're saying is that apart from the fact that they force their own little children to have sex with older members of the community ( which in the real world, is considered child abuse ), they're actually pretty decent people ?
Funny how you state this as fact when the woman who allegedly made the call reporting abuse is a black woman living in Colorado.
The government lies.  They always lie. Hasn't that been discussed to death here?



B.Schuss wrote:

No offense, I don't know what your "experience" with them has been, but if that ( the child abuse thing ) was the only information I had on these people, it would be enough to not really like them.
Sometimes, it only takes a little bit of info to provoke that kind of reaction in me, you know...
Now you do know. And the reaction of the average person is understandable, if not lamentable.

Lamentable in that there has been no trial. Just well rehersed lies and accusations on the part of a evil and corrupt press.
Hand wringing and furrowed brows on the part of state officials who probably are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Lamentable in that there is no changing these people. The more you use tax dollars to persecute them the truer their prophecies sound to them.


But don't worry America; Iraq will be just fine and there is no crisis on the border with Mexico, our economy is sound.
To hell with the cousin fucking baby rapers! Let's get them!

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Stubbee
Religions Hate Facts, Questions and Doubts
+223|7167|Reality

ATG wrote:

Because I know more about this issue than anybody on this forum as...well,  nevermind.

Because America was founded by people seeking freedom of religion.
Explain to us how these young girls have freedom of religion? Do they have choice? Everything they are exposed to is controlled by the old pedophiles. They do not have enough information to make choices.

Then there are the young men cast out because there isn't room (i.e women) for them. The old pedophiles don't want to share.
The US economy is a giant Ponzi scheme. And 'to big to fail' is code speak for 'niahnahniahniahnah 99 percenters'
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7146|Eastern PA
I should point out that it is also common practice to cast out teenage boys from compounds such as this. Combined with keeping the girls under lock and key (when a child is literally trained in this kind of environment it's called "grooming") for "marriage" to someone 3x their age or greater can only be called an organized rape system.

These girls don't have the choice to "marry" (even if they did it would still be statutory rape) given that they are indoctrinated in the environment to be wives for older men.

Simply put that is a system created to control young women by restricting their options (making them possessions in essence of the patriarchs of the "society") ultimately for the purpose of child rearing while still in childhood. It's twisted.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6953|Global Command

Stubbee wrote:

ATG wrote:

Because I know more about this issue than anybody on this forum as...well,  nevermind.

Because America was founded by people seeking freedom of religion.
Explain to us how these young girls have freedom of religion? Do they have choice? Everything they are exposed to is controlled by the old pedophiles. They do not have enough information to make choices.

Then there are the young men cast out because there isn't room (i.e women) for them. The old pedophiles don't want to share.
I have sisters that live the life, and those that don't.
Nobody held a gun to my moms head when she left.

There are child molesters in every group of people. They are hated by all parents.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7130

Kmarion wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Poor girls. Hope the bastard cult members pay for this.
Apparently the ascent into heaven requires sex with children.. sad.
They're practically the same as Muslim extremists.  They interpret their religion in weird ways and use it to justify their actions and to brainwash people.

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