LAKERS are going to win it all, so it really doesn't matter about the lowly Spurs or the weak Suns.
The Suns just aren't that good, deal with it.
The Suns just aren't that good, deal with it.
Oh yea, that's right they suck huh? Must be why they won 54-55 games this year. I don't think that the Suns suck so much as D'antoni sucks. I mean, I think he is a good coach, but you can't play 8 guys a game and expect them to not get tired out. They need to expand their bench and then actually play them, and then I think the Suns would win a lot more games.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
LAKERS are going to win it all, so it really doesn't matter about the lowly Spurs or the weak Suns.
The Suns just aren't that good, deal with it.
maybe the western conference finals but then they have to deal with..KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
LAKERS are going to win it all, so it really doesn't matter about the lowly Spurs or the weak Suns.
The Suns just aren't that good, deal with it.
No offence, but if you want good basketball, watch the NCAA.
NBA is more show than game.
NBA is more show than game.
That's if the Celtics get through the Pistons. Kevin Garnett is a proven loser. Couldn't even take the T'wolves to the Finals when they had Sam Cassell and Latrell Sprewell.twiistaaa wrote:
maybe the western conference finals but then they have to deal with..KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
LAKERS are going to win it all, so it really doesn't matter about the lowly Spurs or the weak Suns.
The Suns just aren't that good, deal with it.
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As far as the Suns, they are all offense and no defense. Can't expect to outscore your opponent every game.
Lame. Congrats to the San Antonio Actors on their awesome selling of "fouls" tonight. Complete BS, as far as I'm concerned.
I said it before, I'll say it again, Stern is in on it. Why? The same thing that happened between the Suns and the San Antonio Actors happened the other day between Boston and Atlanta. There was a scuffle, and a couple players, one from each team, left their bench and walked onto the court. According to Stern, rules are rules and if there is a confrontation and you are on the bench you stay on it or you get suspended. Just to make it more unbelievable, Stern was at that Boston game. And I just heard tonight, there will be no suspensions for those two players. Yet, Diaw and Stoudemire both got suspended for the same thing. Conspiracy, enough said.DeathBecomesYu wrote:
Ummmm....its basketball....a game if I recall. Its not that serious and not worth this much effort. It amazes me how people get all worked up over a game of sport and even connect it to conspiracy. Amazing!
I think I may just quit watching the whole sport now. I mean, Stern has ruined the whole damn game.
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The Lakers will kill them for you.
Then you can say you go cheated by the team that lost to the winners.
As for fouls in a general discussion, basketball referees are terrible. They don't call anything. I love looking at all the traveling that isn't called.
Then you can say you go cheated by the team that lost to the winners.
As for fouls in a general discussion, basketball referees are terrible. They don't call anything. I love looking at all the traveling that isn't called.
I hope the Lakers beat the hell out of them. I think it will probably be the first time I will have ever rooted for Kobe. Ever.nukchebi0 wrote:
The Lakers will kill them for you.
Then you can say you go cheated by the team that lost to the winners.
As for fouls in a general discussion, basketball referees are terrible. They don't call anything. I love looking at all the traveling that isn't called.
The referees in basketball are the worst in pro sports. They say that they review games in the league offices, so they can better officiate the games. I never see improvements. They just say "Oh my bad, sucks for you I guess. Don't worry our shitty calls ruined your season or anything."
Go Spurs Go
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“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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Hey at least you won one.jason85 wrote:
Lame. Congrats to the San Antonio Actors on their awesome selling of "fouls" tonight. Complete BS, as far as I'm concerned.
true, at least we did better than denver.sergeriver wrote:
Hey at least you won one.jason85 wrote:
Lame. Congrats to the San Antonio Actors on their awesome selling of "fouls" tonight. Complete BS, as far as I'm concerned.
Another thing that proves my NBA conspiracy, what happened the other night with Detroit and Magic. The damn clock stops, the time that should have ticked away ran out, and the gave the late 3 to Detroit. The refs could have done one of two things to make it right, either they should have taken away those points, or re-played the 4.6 seconds, or however much was on the clock, again. I said this to my parents the night that the Suns lost against them the second time, the NBA will do all they can to ensure Detroit will make it to the finals. It is crap like this that is going to kill the NBA, watch.
Is basketball synonymous with poor officiating then? In the UK premier league football referees get a lot of stick for poor judgements. There is very little respect from the players or the managers & they are often aggressively challenged at almost every decision, whether on the pitch or in the media. It’s endemic & always embarrassing to watch this behaviour from role models on exorbitant salaries. This behaviour is now reflected in the childrens game.
This is a complete contrast to rugby where the referee’s word is final there is no confrontation & players seem to accept the decision even if they don’t respect it. The referees are in complete control. Curious.
This is a complete contrast to rugby where the referee’s word is final there is no confrontation & players seem to accept the decision even if they don’t respect it. The referees are in complete control. Curious.
Lakers tonight!! Woot!
Pretty much, yea. I mean, I think the players have some right to argue, because I can watch a game and see where refs got it wrong, for both teams. The thing is, I think it is getting worse as time goes on. If they would just take my advice and have a replay option so the refs can take another look at it, or have another ref on the broadcast bench watching replays the whole time, the game would be a lot more fair, and the players wouldn't complain as much.molotov<bf2> wrote:
Is basketball synonymous with poor officiating then? In the UK premier league football referees get a lot of stick for poor judgements. There is very little respect from the players or the managers & they are often aggressively challenged at almost every decision, whether on the pitch or in the media. It’s endemic & always embarrassing to watch this behaviour from role models on exorbitant salaries. This behaviour is now reflected in the childrens game.
This is a complete contrast to rugby where the referee’s word is final there is no confrontation & players seem to accept the decision even if they don’t respect it. The referees are in complete control. Curious.
Robert Horray to the rescue!!! For the second straight year, this little asshole, under Darth Sidious aka Gregg "I Can't Win Without Cheating" Popovitch, injured yet another player, just before returning to the visiting teams court. He did it last year on Nash, before they were to return to Phoenix, and again on West before going back to New Orleans. When the Spurs get backed into a corner, and are near elimination they start playing dirty. Oh, wait, sorry. I meant dirtier than usual. Which is pretty bad. If West, for some reason, can't play because of his bad back, then I'm pretty sure the Spurs will stand a much better chance at advancing to the Western Conference Finals.
I'm so sick and tired of hearing that rough play is just part of the playoffs. Funny though, anyone else starts playing rough, fouls are given rather freely. San Antonio plays rough and they are jut great, it was a clean kick to the nut sack, which should be commended. They can't play defense for shit, so they grab peoples wrists and flop like fish out of water, and are praised for it. I thought these guys were supposed to be big and tough, I mean they are effing tall and extremely athletic. But someone bumps them in the slightest they fly through the air, landing amongst the camera crews, or falling on their head. Duncan did it Tuesday, someone just barely tapped him, and he pranced into the camera area and fell. Parker does it 8 times a game. "Someone invaded my personal bubble, and it knocked me over like I got hit by a train, and I landed on my head....as always" I'm not a doctor or anything but if anyone hit their head that hard, legitimately, I'd think they would have suffer extreme brain damage.
But hey, Horray gives hope to guys like me. I don't really like to run around, asthma is a bitch. I have no problem knocking people over. Maybe, just maybe, I can get drafted into the NBA. I mean, Horray has no real talent. He has sucked pretty much his whole carrer. What does he average? 5 points a game, 2 minutes a game, perhaps 3 rebounds. Hell, I can do that. Someone draft me, please. I am more than fine with not playing, sitting on the bench acquiring large sums of money, only being effective during the playoffs to take out one of the other team's good players. I can do that!
I'm so sick and tired of hearing that rough play is just part of the playoffs. Funny though, anyone else starts playing rough, fouls are given rather freely. San Antonio plays rough and they are jut great, it was a clean kick to the nut sack, which should be commended. They can't play defense for shit, so they grab peoples wrists and flop like fish out of water, and are praised for it. I thought these guys were supposed to be big and tough, I mean they are effing tall and extremely athletic. But someone bumps them in the slightest they fly through the air, landing amongst the camera crews, or falling on their head. Duncan did it Tuesday, someone just barely tapped him, and he pranced into the camera area and fell. Parker does it 8 times a game. "Someone invaded my personal bubble, and it knocked me over like I got hit by a train, and I landed on my head....as always" I'm not a doctor or anything but if anyone hit their head that hard, legitimately, I'd think they would have suffer extreme brain damage.
But hey, Horray gives hope to guys like me. I don't really like to run around, asthma is a bitch. I have no problem knocking people over. Maybe, just maybe, I can get drafted into the NBA. I mean, Horray has no real talent. He has sucked pretty much his whole carrer. What does he average? 5 points a game, 2 minutes a game, perhaps 3 rebounds. Hell, I can do that. Someone draft me, please. I am more than fine with not playing, sitting on the bench acquiring large sums of money, only being effective during the playoffs to take out one of the other team's good players. I can do that!
Lol. i thought this was tottenham Hotspurs at first
lol. is that a soccer team?robcr9 wrote:
Lol. i thought this was tottenham Hotspurs at first
yes it is.
A shit one at that.
A shit one at that.
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You sure do make an awful lot of excuses for why the Spurs win. Couldn't possibly be because of talent and coaching...
NEWS FLASH: All teams overplay fouls in an attempt to get them called. All teams have "hatchet men" who foul intentionally at certain points. It's called strategy and tactics.
NEWS FLASH: All teams overplay fouls in an attempt to get them called. All teams have "hatchet men" who foul intentionally at certain points. It's called strategy and tactics.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Oh, look everyone. A Spurs fan. I'll try and keep the words short, wouldn't want to confuse anyone that roots for them.FEOS wrote:
You sure do make an awful lot of excuses for why the Spurs win. Couldn't possibly be because of talent and coaching...
NEWS FLASH: All teams overplay fouls in an attempt to get them called. All teams have "hatchet men" who foul intentionally at certain points. It's called strategy and tactics.
"Talent"? Good "coaching"? Please. Give me a break. The Spurs are an average team that doesn't get fouls called on them, but are called on the other team. Example, Duncan tripped over his own damn leg, so Shaq MUST have tripped him from 6 feet away. Tyson Chandler sets a clean pick on Parker the other night, Parker drops, Chandler gets the foul. Bowen, Parker, or Ginobli grab onto the other team's point guards hand, and they lose the ball, but it was a good play. Pretty much everyone on that team falls down BEFORE contact is made. Be a man, take it on the chest.
I know that all teams overplay fouls. Raja Bell on the Suns does it all the time, but I wish he wouldn't. It takes away from the game. The Spurs on the other hand, they must be coached on how to do that, because every single one of them does it. Kurt Thomas, when he played for the Suns last year, didn't flop that much, not even when he played for the Blazers. The minute he set foot in San Antonio with that black and white jersey on, he flopped like a fish.
I also know that all teams have hatchet men. Again, I think it is lame, it takes away from the game, and, thankfully, Stern actually might be doing something about it this off-season. The difference between the Spurs and, you know, the rest of the league, is that the Spurs use Horry pretty much only to injure another player. I'm thinking REALLY hard, and I can't think of another team that does that. In the past, maybe, but we can't really do anything about retired players. The Spurs, when backed into a corner, prefer not to play basketball, but rather hockey. They know they didn't stand a chance at Phoenix last year, so the best option is to take out their best player. Nash is a tough SOB, but two of their guys got suspended. They know they don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning in NO, so take out West, who is a major threat from anywhere within the 3-point line.
NEWS FLASH: There is a difference between "Hack-a-Shaq" and trying to injure players. With "Hack-a-Shaq" you foul hard, but they don't go crashing to the floor or the announcers bench. You foul to get a bad free throw shooter to the line. The Spurs just take you out of the game, plain and simple.
They aren't good at defense, they just don't get called for the foul. Duncan causes so much contact in the lane, especially on defense, but oddly, no foul, ever. They aren't good on offense, half their points come from "and 1's" because someone breathed the same air they did. So, I guess if you suck at defense, and suck on offense, that makes you a mediocre team. But injuring other players and having all the calls go your way, no matter what, makes a champion team....
I'm not a Spurs fan. I just don't like whiners who make excuses for their teams losing.
How'd that whole Shaq deal work out for the Suns?
Basketball is a contact sport. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously doesn't watch the game. Or has a very selective attention span.
How'd that whole Shaq deal work out for the Suns?
Basketball is a contact sport. Anyone who thinks otherwise obviously doesn't watch the game. Or has a very selective attention span.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Manu is known for being one of the worst 'floppers' in the NBA. Also, +1 for being an NBA fan. Im a huge fan. I kinda have to be since my dad watches it every, yes every, single. Night. All season. Every game. Multiple games a night.jason85 wrote:
The more I watch the Spurs play basketball the more I realize that they pay off the refs. Whether it be monetarily or sexually, I don't know. But that is the only explanation I have as to why they get away with so much crap. For those of you who are watching this series, you will know that the Suns have now lost two games in a row to The Evil Empire. What's more, we lost both games after having considerable leads. However, both times, in the second half in particular, they get away with so many fouls. They will make obvious contact with one of the Suns and the refs will look the other way. Or better yet, when the Spurs get hit in a no call situation, they fall to the floor like the biggest linebacker in history just tackled them, and they will get the call. Just look at Ginobli, someone barely touches him and he drops down, head flailing, like you would see in a movie where I guy got shot point blank with a shotgun, and crashes through a window. I know the Suns have some players that do it too, but the Spurs....most of their team does. The NBA says that they want to crack down on players flopping, but I guess they meant that they will crack down on it if Stern's favorite team isn't playing.
No wonder the Suns can't win a series against them. They pull more shit in one game than the entire league does in a week. And they get away with it because they are some "great defensive team". I don't know how many times I have heard that refs will decide fouls based on a players history, meaning they have a reputation of fouling a lot, so they will get the foul, when there is a good reason that the foul should not have been called. Such is the case with Amare. He has this rep of being a player that fouls a lot, which he does. But that doesn't mean that what he did was a foul, at least if they called the game fairly. Tim Duncan, who, from the games that I have seen him play, should foul out five minutes into the second quarter. Even against other teams, teams that I detest, like the Lakers or the Mavs, he won't get called for shit. Yet, so much contact happens where he is involved. Someone goes for a lay up, Duncan is in the restricted area, contact is made, shot misses because of the contact, and no call. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. Not to mention unfair.
I remember the start of last season the NBA also said that they were going to call more technical fouls on players when they argue with the officials. Have you ever seen the Spurs when a foul actually is called on them? They talk and talk and talk, and for good measure, they talk a little more. Tim Duncan looks like if his eyes opened any wider in surprise, they'd fall out of his head. And I mean, how can you believe Ginobli with that giant Pinocchio nose on his head, that I can swear I have seen grow in the process of him arguing a call. Yet, when someone from the Suns argues a call, even doing it calmly, they will usually get a tech called on them.
Its absolutely appalling that a game I love as much as basketball is being ruined by the refs and the league office. I don't see why they should be so lenient to San Antonio, but so strict with the rest of the league. I think I just might start referring to the NBA league office as "EA for basketball". Because to be perfectly honest, if the Spurs win again this year, and I don't just mean this series against the Suns, I mean the whole thing, then I quit watching the sport altogether. Because a few years ago, basketball was in decline, but teams like the Suns and Golden State made the game fun, but are penalized for not being the Spurs.
15 more years! 15 more years!
Yea, I'm kinda like your dad. If there is a game on, I'm probably watching it unless I'm busy.Mitch wrote:
Manu is known for being one of the worst 'floppers' in the NBA. Also, +1 for being an NBA fan. Im a huge fan. I kinda have to be since my dad watches it every, yes every, single. Night. All season. Every game. Multiple games a night.