BF2S Forums This Sick And Is Not Art, Warning ( Distressing Pics Inside)

djphetal wrote:

Fuck you.
How old are you?

djphetal wrote:

Yeah I agree. just lock the thread now.
It's turned into flaming, and I don't want to get more caught up in it than I am already.

well, i would fucking hope so.


see, you dont like my opinions, so you call me a bigot, and then a "fuck you", for good measure.


people that are OK with this, are usually labeled as having an anti-social disorder.....which is kind of a prerequisite, if you will, to being a sociopath.
sorry, but thats how it works.....throw out another "fuck you", if it makes you feel any better, but dont "be mean to me about my opinions", or however the fuck you worded it.
hypocrisy ftw!!!!

Parker wrote:

djphetal wrote:

Fuck you.
How old are you?

djphetal wrote:

Yeah I agree. just lock the thread now.
It's turned into flaming, and I don't want to get more caught up in it than I am already.

well, i would fucking hope so.


see, you dont like my opinions, so you call me a bigot, and then a "fuck you", for good measure.


people that are OK with this, are usually labeled as having an anti-social disorder.....which is kind of a prerequisite, if you will, to being a sociopath.
sorry, but thats how it works.....throw out another "fuck you", if it makes you feel any better, but dont "be mean to me about my opinions", or however the fuck you worded it.
hypocrisy ftw!!!!

I was just pissed that you called me a "kiddie" and then "jr," as well as a "sociopath." I do have social anxiety disorder, but I really don't think this relates to it at all.
Your "opinion" that I am a sociopath isn't an "opinion," it's an insult. I'm hardly being hypocritical.
I've discussed this with other people as well... who I would never describe as sociopaths... who happen to agree with me. You're being bigoted by saying everyone who doesn't agree with you in this case is a sociopath. That's a generalization, and really judgmental.

That guy is a dick.

(HUN)Rudebwoy wrote:

djphetal wrote:

Yeah, I guess I may be the outsider here, but I, personally, find this incredibly artistic, and quite brilliant. As I said before, it's very sad, and certainly not ethical, but I find the "art" in this to be what you're seeing here.
Discussion, anger, compassion, love, violence, movement...
This guy has created an exhibit that has gained more exposure than anything like it for a while now. Whether intentional or not, he has rallied people against a common cause. And not only that, why are people so easily united against a relatively minor tragedy? It not only says something about the nature of people, it is practically a case study on the sociological impact that "cruelty" can have on a large population.

If I met the artist, I'd shake his hand, tell him I thought it was tragic but brilliant, and ask him what he thought about the reaction it was getting.

The art here is us, that petition, your friends... and how we're all reacting to this.

+1 Guillermo Vargas Habacuc. You have the world captive.

Then Adolf Hitler and Stalin were the greatest "artists" ever...

guys, you can't keep putting words in my mouth like that.
There's a line, like someone said before (and I agreed), and I don't find genocide artistic at all. stop looking at it all as being so black and white.
I think this whole... story/exhibition/hoax has been a work of art, it's fascinating and controversial and it inspires discussion. Now, i'm not saying that anything fascinating and controversial is artistic, and certainly this and other pieces of art have been unethical. Art is subjective. You can't argue against that. Art is different to different people.
I don't think killing a dog is artistic, I don't think other people should kill other animals for "art." But this event in time and all that it includes has been "art," in my opinion.
If you disagree, that's fine, but if you then assert that I support genocide, or call me a "kiddie" and "sociopath" as Parker did, then I have a right to be mad. It's really unfair to me.

Dogs kill humans.

Pit bulls>Human babies.

Who wants to argue that killing dogs is wrong again?

So when a dog kills a human, you blame the parents of the human? Er...Um...wat?

So when you say "the dog doesn't know better" that means any dog will kill a human, unless somehow, he DOES know better.

Parker wrote:

djphetal wrote:

guys, you can't keep putting words in my mouth like that.

ok, ill let you do that for yourself.

djphetal wrote:

I think this whole... story/exhibition/hoax has been a work of art, it's fascinating and controversial and it inspires discussion.

really?
now see, thats kinda fucked up, and what led me to the sociopath/anti-social statement....which you took the COMPLETELY wrong way, cause then you came back with some "diagnosed social anxiety disorder".
i dont give a fuck if you are nervous about being around people....i was talking about an ANTI-SOCIAL disorder. REAL different than being scared of the public.

djphetal wrote:

But this event in time and all that it includes has been "art," in my opinion.

so, the whole deal with the dog starving (even though it was a hoax), you STILL see that as art.......
amazing....

djphetal wrote:

If you disagree, that's fine, but if you then assert that I support genocide, or call me a "kiddie" and "sociopath" as Parker did, then I have a right to be mad. It's really unfair to me.

not fair, huh?
maybe "fair" is subjective?

get mad all you want....throw out a few more "fuck you's" if it helps...hell, single me out as much as you want....it doesnt bother me in the slightest.
but dont doubt for a second that i wont tell you what i think of your fucked up beliefs.....

All you've done is make personal attacks against me.
Aside from me saying "fuck you," (which I regret) I think all I've done was try and argue my point.
You've said I'm a "kiddie," that I am a "sociopath" and have serious mental issues as well as childhood trauma, you just said I have "fucked up beliefs..."

I'm hardly a "kiddie," maybe younger than you but I'm old enough to live my own life and have my own thoughts and views on a subject.
Yes, I've seen a psychiatrist, yes I have social-anxiety disorder, but that hardly makes me a sociopath. I don't have a problem being social. What's your point here, you want me to say I don't have very many friends, or that I scare people away? That's just untrue so I don't know what you want me to say.
I had a relatively calm, uneventful childhood. No major deaths, no trauma... I had pets whom I loved very much.
I also have fairly middle-of-the-road beliefs as well. I'm no black sheep or rebel. I don't attempt to be different than people...
So what do you want me to say, Parker?
Is it really important to just attack me because I define "art" differently than you? That is what this boils down to, because I too think starving a dog to death is unethical and sad. I would never do it, I would never support someone doing it. But this "exhibition," and the artist who put it on have ended up creating quite a stir, and because of that I personally believe it can all be looked at as art. And so I choose to do that. I've talked with a few of my friends about this and it's the same as it is here... a couple of us think that this whole thing is "art," and most of my other friends think that it's a highly unethical stunt and should be condemned. I agree with them, I also just think it's "art."
Now, if you disagree with me, THAT'S FINE. I've never said otherwise.
But you've just started flaming me. You've made very derogatory assertions about me, my life and my friends (or lack thereof). That's low.

S.Lythberg wrote:

You people are missing the point of the artists work.

Look at the massive global uproar over the misfortune of one stray, sick, nearly dead already dog.

Now, where is the uproar over the thousands that are butchered in Darfur?

Where was the outrage during the savage killings in Serbia?

Every day, thousands of acts infinitely more cruel are committed against human beings and animals alike, and where is the outrage?

It isn't there, that's the point of his exhibit, people will jump on the bandwagon to save a dog's life, but they won't lift a finger to stop a genocide "over there."

that's one of the reason's this whole thing is so amazing to me.
I don't know what the artist intended... for instance, he initially said it was to show that dogs were dying like this everywhere, but since it was revealed to be a hoax, it seems like he perpetuated the belief that this all was happening, so the reaction could become the art. In my first post on this thread, I said that I was interested in knowing a few things before really deciding what I thought about it.

If this guy was just doing this to laugh at a dog dying, then no, I wouldn't consider it art, but from the beginning I've thought it was bigger than that.  The reaction to this is phenomenal.

Wiki says "The outrage triggered by the exhibit spawned allegations that the dog had been left to starve to death; these allegations quickly spread internationally via blogs, e-mails, and other unconfirmed sources. However, other than a three-hour period during which the dog was on display as part of Vargas' exhibit, the gallery alleges the dog was not tied up, and was fed with food brought in by Vargas himself.