Ye a 6-12 hour free trial would be a great idea rather than the limiting demo's that you can't jude anything by.
I think your missing the point that most people that pirate never have any intention in the first place to buy the game, thus the company loses NOTHING. If you make a shit game you can expect people to not be bothered to buy it, they got low sales because they made a shit game no one wanted, not because people who werent ever going to buy it pirated it. I personally never pirated it, but im also never going to buy it.Parker wrote:
here in the real world, theres this thing called money.Vilham wrote:
If they hadnt made such a short poor quality game they might have sold more, good to see they arent willing to take responsibility for that choice though. This is the exact kind of thing you should expect if you focus too heavily on graphics.
businesses NEED it in order to survive. if a bunch of little nerds want to get e-revenge on a company that produced a "short poor quality game", by essentially stealing it, they cant make money on said product.
what they did here is make a smart business decision.
but by your theory, they almost invited this problem and "arent willing to take responsibility", for making a game that people steal.
that makes sense......somehow.
ok, ill buy the part about the people that pirate never having an intention to buy....but the company still sells the licenses or whatever the technical term is, for you to run the software. you pay $50 a pop for a new game..you get the disk, and then you can play it.Vilham wrote:
I think your missing the point that most people that pirate never have any intention in the first place to buy the game, thus the company loses NOTHING.
if someone owns the game without purchasing it, the company is losing money. there is no way around that....even if the company is factoring in the fact that X number of copies will be pirated, they are still losing money.
the main problem i was aware of, and im not really into the gaming industry, was the fact that people with ultra high-end systems still couldnt run it on all high settings. if you say the game is shit, ill take your word for it, but that doesnt mean the number of pirated copies didnt effect sales numbers.Vilham wrote:
If you make a shit game you can expect people to not be bothered to buy it, they got low sales because they made a shit game no one wanted, not because people who werent ever going to buy it pirated it. I personally never pirated it, but im also never going to buy it.
if you sell a product, any product, if one unit goes out the door without you getting money for it, it IS detrimental to your business.
at the end of the day people are stealing from a company, and because of that, Crytek will no longer support PC only games.
Why so angry?Parker wrote:
well then everything is alright.
i see.....if i make a knife that has defects in it, people are allowed to steal it from me.....right on.
wow, now i fully understand how the world works, that makes perfect sense.
would you rather me call them "a bunch of criminals that want to get e-revenge"?
cause thats what it breaks down to.
people think that a product isnt worth their money, so they just steal it.
nope, sorry......back here in reality, that shit doesnt work so well.
just because its computer software, doesnt make it right.
in fact, it has driven this company FURTHER away from supporting PC games.
GG nerds.
You act as if I'm trying to justifying stealing. In reality, my only point was that piracy is common in the video games industry, and that releasing a mediocre product is going to make people less willing to pay up as they're not willing to take the chance that it might be a waste of their money. You also compare piracy to outright stealing your knives. I'm not too in touch with the knife-crafting industry, but I'm pretty sure it's not common practice to go around stealing knives instead of paying for them.
Pirating video games and stealing knives are completely different things, comparing them in that manner serves no other purpose than to make an emotional argument. Fuck off Parker, I almost respected you for being exactly the opposite of that
You can still pirate X360 games anyway
I agree, but it still boils down to the fact that they made a game that doesnt meet standards people expect and thus screwed themselves over. They are basically blaming piracy for making their game shit. They made the game, they need to take responsibility for producing a poor game.Parker wrote:
ok, ill buy the part about the people that pirate never having an intention to buy....but the company still sells the licenses or whatever the technical term is, for you to run the software. you pay $50 a pop for a new game..you get the disk, and then you can play it.Vilham wrote:
I think your missing the point that most people that pirate never have any intention in the first place to buy the game, thus the company loses NOTHING.
if someone owns the game without purchasing it, the company is losing money. there is no way around that....even if the company is factoring in the fact that X number of copies will be pirated, they are still losing money.the main problem i was aware of, and im not really into the gaming industry, was the fact that people with ultra high-end systems still couldnt run it on all high settings. if you say the game is shit, ill take your word for it, but that doesnt mean the number of pirated copies didnt effect sales numbers.Vilham wrote:
If you make a shit game you can expect people to not be bothered to buy it, they got low sales because they made a shit game no one wanted, not because people who werent ever going to buy it pirated it. I personally never pirated it, but im also never going to buy it.
if you sell a product, any product, if one unit goes out the door without you getting money for it, it IS detrimental to your business.
at the end of the day people are stealing from a company, and because of that, Crytek will no longer support PC only games.
Heres an analogy.
You make a knife and sell it to someone, they return it though because the blade is rusty and poorly made and get their money back. Now you would accept that such a thing is your fault.
The only difference in the games industry is that the returns process is preemptive. The people try the game BEFORE they pay for it. If games were returnable I would never pirate, but they arent. Which means I sometimes try a game before I buy it.
steelie34 wrote:
i dont blame them.
I think extended demos would be a good idea.
Great. Does this mean I can expect the next 2 games in this trilogy to be lesser than the first?
What did they expect? The game looks like shit on med-low, and high end systems make up what, 10-20% of the market? I've played through the game about 5 times(with a purchased copy), but for me personally, I wouldn't enjoy/buy this game if I didn't have a system capable of playing it at the higher settings.
What did they expect? The game looks like shit on med-low, and high end systems make up what, 10-20% of the market? I've played through the game about 5 times(with a purchased copy), but for me personally, I wouldn't enjoy/buy this game if I didn't have a system capable of playing it at the higher settings.
video games, knives, cereal, cars, tobaggons...it doesnt really matter what the fuck it is, its stealing.Lucien wrote:
Why so angry?Parker wrote:
well then everything is alright.
i see.....if i make a knife that has defects in it, people are allowed to steal it from me.....right on.
wow, now i fully understand how the world works, that makes perfect sense.
would you rather me call them "a bunch of criminals that want to get e-revenge"?
cause thats what it breaks down to.
people think that a product isnt worth their money, so they just steal it.
nope, sorry......back here in reality, that shit doesnt work so well.
just because its computer software, doesnt make it right.
in fact, it has driven this company FURTHER away from supporting PC games.
GG nerds.
You act as if I'm trying to justifying stealing. In reality, my only point was that piracy is common in the video games industry, and that releasing a mediocre product is going to make people less willing to pay up as they're not willing to take the chance that it might be a waste of their money. You also compare piracy to outright stealing your knives. I'm not too in touch with the knife-crafting industry, but I'm pretty sure it's not common practice to go around stealing knives instead of paying for them.
Pirating video games and stealing knives are completely different things, comparing them in that manner serves no other purpose than to make an emotional argument. Fuck off Parker, I almost respected you for being exactly the opposite of that
sorry that i lost your "almost respect", but the comparison is real enough. villham even used that in an analogy, so im sorry you mistook that statement. the intention wasnt to create an emotional argument, it was to prove a point:
the fact that people steal video games has driven *this* company to NOT support PC only games.
period...end of.
people pirating software off of the internet is NO different than stealing a car from a dealership, simply for the fact that the last one they purchased was a "lemon".
so if its "common practice" to pirate software that someone feels doesnt meet their standards, i wouldnt support PC only games either.
and if thats how it was in the knife industry, i would NOT be a part of it.
So long crytek, come back when you learn to optimize
Fact is, you can pirate on any platform if you know how. Magicswap discs means you can play games imported from china for 10p each. You can torrent xbox360 games, DS games, psp games, and I doubt ps3 games are far off. Then why does the pc industry suffer more than others? It's mainly because pc games have a habit of sucking balls and being released with bugs, crashes, hardware incompatibility, poor optimization and the list goes on.
Fact is, you can pirate on any platform if you know how. Magicswap discs means you can play games imported from china for 10p each. You can torrent xbox360 games, DS games, psp games, and I doubt ps3 games are far off. Then why does the pc industry suffer more than others? It's mainly because pc games have a habit of sucking balls and being released with bugs, crashes, hardware incompatibility, poor optimization and the list goes on.
We still get to the fact that piracy loses the company NO money. There is no material loss. They lose nothing from some people pirating their game.Parker wrote:
video games, knives, cereal, cars, tobaggons...it doesnt really matter what the fuck it is, its stealing.Lucien wrote:
Why so angry?Parker wrote:
well then everything is alright.
i see.....if i make a knife that has defects in it, people are allowed to steal it from me.....right on.
wow, now i fully understand how the world works, that makes perfect sense.
would you rather me call them "a bunch of criminals that want to get e-revenge"?
cause thats what it breaks down to.
people think that a product isnt worth their money, so they just steal it.
nope, sorry......back here in reality, that shit doesnt work so well.
just because its computer software, doesnt make it right.
in fact, it has driven this company FURTHER away from supporting PC games.
GG nerds.
You act as if I'm trying to justifying stealing. In reality, my only point was that piracy is common in the video games industry, and that releasing a mediocre product is going to make people less willing to pay up as they're not willing to take the chance that it might be a waste of their money. You also compare piracy to outright stealing your knives. I'm not too in touch with the knife-crafting industry, but I'm pretty sure it's not common practice to go around stealing knives instead of paying for them.
Pirating video games and stealing knives are completely different things, comparing them in that manner serves no other purpose than to make an emotional argument. Fuck off Parker, I almost respected you for being exactly the opposite of that
sorry that i lost your "almost respect", but the comparison is real enough. villham even used that in an analogy, so im sorry you mistook that statement. the intention wasnt to create an emotional argument, it was to prove a point:
the fact that people steal video games has driven *this* company to NOT support PC only games.
period...end of.
people pirating software off of the internet is NO different than stealing a car from a dealership, simply for the fact that the last one they purchased was a "lemon".
so if its "common practice" to pirate software that someone feels doesnt meet their standards, i wouldnt support PC only games either.
and if thats how it was in the knife industry, i would NOT be a part of it.
I pirate every single one of my games, I only end up playing them for about a week, then I uninstall because: I get bored, I beat it. The only games I buy are ones I play multiplayer somewhat seriously. Vcod, bf2, css. I bought gmod but it came with css as a bundle
To be perfectly honest, this "people pirate games that they wouldn't normally pay for" stuff is just total, utter arse gravy.
I wouldn't pay to drive (for example) a skoda. Does that make it ok for me to steal it?
Fuck no.
If you're not willing to pay for a game, then don't play it. If you do pirate it, then don't try to justify yourself by saying that the company lost no money because you wouldn't have paid for it. You're playing it, therefore you wanted to play it and you should pay for the privilege.
I've pirated a fair few games in my time, but I don't try to justify it to myself or anyone else. I pirated them because I'm cheap and would never buy them. However I also know that doing so is wrong. End of story.
I wouldn't pay to drive (for example) a skoda. Does that make it ok for me to steal it?
Fuck no.
If you're not willing to pay for a game, then don't play it. If you do pirate it, then don't try to justify yourself by saying that the company lost no money because you wouldn't have paid for it. You're playing it, therefore you wanted to play it and you should pay for the privilege.
I've pirated a fair few games in my time, but I don't try to justify it to myself or anyone else. I pirated them because I'm cheap and would never buy them. However I also know that doing so is wrong. End of story.
So, when you make someone a knife, do you not let them hold it? Study it for defects? Or, do you just show them a picture and say they have to buy it to see the real deal?Parker wrote:
i see.....if i make a knife that has defects in it, people are allowed to steal it from me.....right on.
Yeah same thing here. We get half-assed demos that don't even show us all of the features in the game and they expect us to buy it based on that shitty demo.
What most of these companies don't realize is that people probably wouldn't have bought the game anyway. They think they're losing money because people pirate, but in reality they don't lose a frigin dime, they just don't gain the money. That's different from losing.
It's not technically stealing. If you go to walmart and steal the game, they just lost money. They payed to stock the game and now you stole it, so they didn't get money for that game. If you steal a PC game from a torrent, its equivalent to just not buying it (in terms of sales).
I pirated Crysis, mainly to see how my system handled it and do see the hype. The game sucked, I deleted it. I'm very glad I didn't waste 50$ on it.
I pirated COD4 to check it out. Fortunately I didn't have to buy that because I can use my dad's CDKEY while he's playing (<3 that). Though otherwise I would have bought it, it's a great game.
If they made a quality game that delivered, people would buy it. Simple as.
That just makes you a bad personBuckles wrote:
To be perfectly honest, this "people pirate games that they wouldn't normally pay for" stuff is just total, utter arse gravy.
I wouldn't pay to drive (for example) a skoda. Does that make it ok for me to steal it?
Fuck no.
If you're not willing to pay for a game, then don't play it. If you do pirate it, then don't try to justify yourself by saying that the company lost no money because you wouldn't have paid for it. You're playing it, therefore you wanted to play it and you should pay for the privilege.
I've pirated a fair few games in my time, but I don't try to justify it to myself or anyone else. I pirated them because I'm cheap and would never buy them. However I also know that doing so is wrong. End of story.
At least they believe they're getting justice
.Sup wrote:
I bought mine
"people in ny have a general idea of how to drive. one of the pedals goes forward the other one prevents you from dying"
The thing you are not aware of is that you get to test the "COMPLETE" skoda for "FREE" in real life conditions not the prototype or a poorly built demo model. Get the point. Games these days you have to buy the game ,test it and you have to sell it to gamestop if you dont want it. Cod4 by far is the only game I have experienced with playing the demo version that was not some half assed shit.Buckles wrote:
To be perfectly honest, this "people pirate games that they wouldn't normally pay for" stuff is just total, utter arse gravy.
I wouldn't pay to drive (for example) a skoda. Does that make it ok for me to steal it?
Fuck no.
If you're not willing to pay for a game, then don't play it. If you do pirate it, then don't try to justify yourself by saying that the company lost no money because you wouldn't have paid for it. You're playing it, therefore you wanted to play it and you should pay for the privilege.
I've pirated a fair few games in my time, but I don't try to justify it to myself or anyone else. I pirated them because I'm cheap and would never buy them. However I also know that doing so is wrong. End of story.
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The#1Spot wrote:
The thing you are not aware of is that you get to test the "COMPLETE" skoda for "FREE" in real life conditions not the prototype or a poorly built demo model. Get the point.Buckles wrote:
To be perfectly honest, this "people pirate games that they wouldn't normally pay for" stuff is just total, utter arse gravy.
I wouldn't pay to drive (for example) a skoda. Does that make it ok for me to steal it?
Fuck no.
If you're not willing to pay for a game, then don't play it. If you do pirate it, then don't try to justify yourself by saying that the company lost no money because you wouldn't have paid for it. You're playing it, therefore you wanted to play it and you should pay for the privilege.
I've pirated a fair few games in my time, but I don't try to justify it to myself or anyone else. I pirated them because I'm cheap and would never buy them. However I also know that doing so is wrong. End of story.
At the end of the day, companies invest a LOT of money in the development of these games. If you want to play the game, buy it. If you're not sure of the quality, do some research and read some reviews in magazines, online etc. People also get paid a lot of money to do this. If you decide you don't want it or that it won't run on your rig, don't buy it and don't play it.Buckles wrote:
total, utter arse gravy.
If you then go and pirate it and play it without paying because "it's crap and not worth the money", you are, for lack of a better word, a twat.
I'm not preaching against piracy at all. Just the complete tits who try to justify it as if they are on some sort of holy crusade.
Some people like to decide if a game is worth the money from their own experience, not someone else's reviews.
Yes but what defines theft is "material loss" pirating a game isn't material loss of for a company.Buckles wrote:
To be perfectly honest, this "people pirate games that they wouldn't normally pay for" stuff is just total, utter arse gravy.
I wouldn't pay to drive (for example) a skoda. Does that make it ok for me to steal it?
Fuck no.
If you're not willing to pay for a game, then don't play it. If you do pirate it, then don't try to justify yourself by saying that the company lost no money because you wouldn't have paid for it. You're playing it, therefore you wanted to play it and you should pay for the privilege.
I've pirated a fair few games in my time, but I don't try to justify it to myself or anyone else. I pirated them because I'm cheap and would never buy them. However I also know that doing so is wrong. End of story.
I know piracy is illegal and wrong, that doesnt change the fact that Crysis did shit because its a shit game and not because people pirated it. The company lost nothing to pirates, they only have themselves to blame for hyping a game that wasn't actually any good. Instead of learning from this experience they are instead just going to make games on a different platform, ignoring the main reason for the failure of their product, which was it being crap.Buckles wrote:
The#1Spot wrote:
The thing you are not aware of is that you get to test the "COMPLETE" skoda for "FREE" in real life conditions not the prototype or a poorly built demo model. Get the point.Buckles wrote:
To be perfectly honest, this "people pirate games that they wouldn't normally pay for" stuff is just total, utter arse gravy.
I wouldn't pay to drive (for example) a skoda. Does that make it ok for me to steal it?
Fuck no.
If you're not willing to pay for a game, then don't play it. If you do pirate it, then don't try to justify yourself by saying that the company lost no money because you wouldn't have paid for it. You're playing it, therefore you wanted to play it and you should pay for the privilege.
I've pirated a fair few games in my time, but I don't try to justify it to myself or anyone else. I pirated them because I'm cheap and would never buy them. However I also know that doing so is wrong. End of story.At the end of the day, companies invest a LOT of money in the development of these games. If you want to play the game, buy it. If you're not sure of the quality, do some research and read some reviews in magazines, online etc. People also get paid a lot of money to do this. If you decide you don't want it or that it won't run on your rig, don't buy it and don't play it.Buckles wrote:
total, utter arse gravy.
If you then go and pirate it and play it without paying because "it's crap and not worth the money", you are, for lack of a better word, a twat.
I'm not preaching against piracy at all. Just the complete tits who try to justify it as if they are on some sort of holy crusade.
So next time they make crysis 2 or what ever it will still be crap, they still wont make any sales.
What I really think is going on is that Crytek are changing console because they realise their game did shit because they just focused on high end PCs instead of a wide range of platforms, however they aren't willing to admit publically that they fucked up big time and so are just blaming someone else. So next time they will focus on making a good game instead of a game with amazing graphics for a few customers.
Last edited by Vilham (2008-05-01 16:15:24)
Well PC piracy hasn't gotten noticeably bigger in recent years where as piracy of console games is on the rise. It is not much harder to pirate a console game than to pirate a PC game. The consoles however don't have as much piracy now as the PCs do because piracy existed on the PC from the start while piracy has only been doable on the consoles since the previous generation when games started coming on media that was able to be written on by a standard PC.
Me too.I'm Jamesey wrote:
I'd have pirated it too if my comp could run it.
Infact, my PC could run it, and I did pirate it.
Lol at the irony of your post + your sig/avatar.Dauntless wrote:
Me too.I'm Jamesey wrote:
I'd have pirated it too if my comp could run it.
Infact, my PC could run it, and I did pirate it.