Poll

Art or Farce?

Cutting Edge Artist36%36% - 25
Con Artist63%63% - 44
Total: 69
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7178|67.222.138.85
https://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g44/Flaming_Maniac/pollock.jpg

A pretty controversial figure in the world of us lesser-beings who don't take every single painting ever called art to be a masterpiece. So do you think this guy was worthy of being called one of the most important modern artists, or he was just a drunk guy out of his mind out to make a buck?

https://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g44/Flaming_Maniac/Pollock-Number-One-1948.jpg

edit: not in polls because this is supposed to be a discussion about him and his art. The poll will be interesting to look at.
SgtSlutter
Banned
+550|7109|Amsterdam, NY

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g44/F … ollock.jpg

A pretty controversial figure in the world of us lesser-beings who don't take every single painting ever called art to be a masterpiece. So do you think this guy was worthy of being called one of the most important modern artists, or he was just a drunk guy out of his mind out to make a buck?

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g44/F … e-1948.jpg
con artist's are still artists I guess
Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
+1,411|7213|FUCK UBISOFT

He's kinda hot.
https://i.imgur.com/86fodNE.png
liquidat0r
wtf.
+2,223|7098|UK
I've always wanted to paint my walls like that. I'd probably hate it once I'd finished, but meh, it would be fun to do. I wouldn't really class it as art though.

However, I really don't think that a lot of 'modern art' is actually art.
Funky_Finny
Banned
+456|6604|Carnoustie, Scotland
It's a scribble. Get over it.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6918|Chicago, IL
Well, it does look kinda cool, I might pay for it, but i wouldn't really call it a breakthrough, anyone can do it.
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7237|Cambridge (UK)
One interesting thing about Pollock is his dribbly-splashy-flicky paintings are fractal. That's how they tell if an unknown Pollock is genuine or fake - fakes aren't fractal, Pollocks are.
Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
+1,411|7213|FUCK UBISOFT

Funky_Finny wrote:

It's a scribble. Get over it.
it is not a scribble.

"to write hastily or carelessly: to scribble a letter."

"to write or draw in a hasty or careless way."

"to make meaningless marks, scrolls, lines, etc., with a pencil, pen, or the like."
https://i.imgur.com/86fodNE.png
Funky_Finny
Banned
+456|6604|Carnoustie, Scotland

Miggle wrote:

Funky_Finny wrote:

It's a scribble. Get over it.
it is not a scribble.

"to write hastily or carelessly: to scribble a letter."

"to write or draw in a hasty or careless way."

"to make meaningless marks, scrolls, lines, etc., with a pencil, pen, or the like."
fuck off.
liquidat0r
wtf.
+2,223|7098|UK

Miggle wrote:

Funky_Finny wrote:

It's a scribble. Get over it.
it is not a scribble.

"to write hastily or carelessly: to scribble a letter."

"to write or draw in a hasty or careless way."

"to make meaningless marks, scrolls, lines, etc., with a pencil, pen, or the like."
I would say that the 3rd definition pretty much matches that 'art'.
firebolt5
Member
+114|6626

Miggle wrote:

He's kinda hot.
He passed away a while ago...
Miggle
FUCK UBISOFT
+1,411|7213|FUCK UBISOFT

liquidat0r wrote:

Miggle wrote:

Funky_Finny wrote:

It's a scribble. Get over it.
it is not a scribble.

"to write hastily or carelessly: to scribble a letter."

"to write or draw in a hasty or careless way."

"to make meaningless marks, scrolls, lines, etc., with a pencil, pen, or the like."
I would say that the 3rd definition pretty much matches that 'art'.
with a pencil, pen, or the like.

paint is not the like.

@finny, no u.
https://i.imgur.com/86fodNE.png
i g
Banned
+876|6335|GA

i can see how some abstract stuff is art, but seriously, how much talent does it take to throw paint on a canvas? /fail imo
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|7156|United States of America
It's supposed symbolize the go-go attitude of modern life and how people ought to relax some time and enjoy life.

                                                                                 ^^^^^

Crap like that is why it's not art. From my point of view I can judge that aspect by the idea that if I can do it, it's not art (where the only exception is photography but I actually have experience in that field).
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7237|Cambridge (UK)

Eye-GiZzLe wrote:

i can see how some abstract stuff is art, but seriously, how much talent does it take to throw paint on a canvas? /fail imo
How much talent does it take to just throw paint on a canvas? None.
How much talent does it take to throw paint on a canvas and make it fractal? Fuck loads.
i g
Banned
+876|6335|GA

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

Eye-GiZzLe wrote:

i can see how some abstract stuff is art, but seriously, how much talent does it take to throw paint on a canvas? /fail imo
How much talent does it take to just throw paint on a canvas? None.
How much talent does it take to throw paint on a canvas and make it fractal? Fuck loads.
lmao

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S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6918|Chicago, IL
https://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3113/masterpiecekv4.jpg

I R artist?

I'll take my millions now!
Funky_Finny
Banned
+456|6604|Carnoustie, Scotland

Miggle wrote:

@finny, no u.
Stevie fucking Wonder saw that coming.
i g
Banned
+876|6335|GA

S.Lythberg wrote:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3113 … ecekv4.jpg

I R artist?

I'll take my millions now!
zomg it arent fraktal
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6918|Chicago, IL

Eye-GiZzLe wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3113 … ecekv4.jpg

I R artist?

I'll take my millions now!
zomg it arent fraktal
https://library.thinkquest.org/26242/full/types/images/28.gif
fixed

i don't see a fractal pattern in any of his works, it looks like a jumble of paint lines, and little else.
argo4
Stand and Deliver
+86|6404|United States
in art class i heard that pollack was just a drunk guy and painting was rehabilitation for him...so maybe his works cure alcoholism??


also check this art
https://www.pa.msu.edu/courses/2006summer/ISP213H/art/ModernImages/abstractionists/ROTHKO03.JPG

i liiikke!!!

Last edited by argo4 (2008-05-06 15:23:30)

Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7237|Cambridge (UK)

S.Lythberg wrote:

i don't see a fractal pattern in any of his works, it looks like a jumble of paint lines, and little else.
You may not, but mathematicians do:

Fractals have experienced considerable success in quantifying the complex structure
exhibited by many natural patterns and have captured the imagination of scientists
and artists alike [Mandelbrot]. With ever widening appeal, they have been referred to
both as "fingerprints of nature" [Taylor et al 1999] and "the new aesthetics"
[Richards]. Recently, we showed that the drip patterns of the American abstract
painter Jackson Pollock are fractal [Taylor et al 1999].
In this paper, we describe
visual perception tests that investigate whether fractal images generated by
mathematical, natural and human processes possess a shared aesthetic quality based
on visual complexity.
(source)

Physicist Richard P. Taylor of the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia, who is also trained as an artist, has taken a mathematical look at Pollock's splatter paintings to try to uncover the secret of their appeal to many viewers.

"The unique thing about Jackson Pollock was that he abandoned using the brush on canvas and actually dripped the paint," Taylor says. "That produced trajectories of paint on the canvas that were like a [two-dimensional] map or fingerprint of his [three-dimensional] motions around the canvas."

Taylor photographed the Pollock painting Blue Poles, Number 11, 1952 (see http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired/art/pollock.html), which the Australian government had purchased in 1972 for $2 million and put on display at the National Gallery of Australia in Canberra. He and his colleagues then scanned the photos and used a computer to analyze the color schemes and trajectories evident in the painting.

The researchers discovered that Pollock's patterns could be characterized as fractals--shapes that repeat themselves on different scales within the same object. In a fractal object or pattern, each smaller structure is a miniature, though not necessarily identical, version of the larger form. Fractals often occur in nature, from the meanderings of a coastline, in which the shapes of small inlets approximate the curves of an entire shoreline, to the branchings of trees and the lacy forms of snowflakes and ferns.
(source)

See also http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/phys_about/ … aylor.html

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2008-05-06 15:30:45)

N00bkilla55404
Voices are calling...
+136|6402|Somewhere out in Space
Shitty art.

Its the idiots that buy it that need to be shot.
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6624|what

It's not art. And debating this doesn't work, cause if you think it is art your a complete idiot.


https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/rac_goshawk/1207003822942oa0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6918|Chicago, IL

Scorpion0x17 wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

i don't see a fractal pattern in any of his works, it looks like a jumble of paint lines, and little else.
You may not, but mathematicians do:

Fractals have experienced considerable success in quantifying the complex structure
exhibited by many natural patterns and have captured the imagination of scientists
and artists alike [Mandelbrot]. With ever widening appeal, they have been referred to
both as "fingerprints of nature" [Taylor et al 1999] and "the new aesthetics"
[Richards]. Recently, we showed that the drip patterns of the American abstract
painter Jackson Pollock are fractal [Taylor et al 1999].
In this paper, we describe
visual perception tests that investigate whether fractal images generated by
mathematical, natural and human processes possess a shared aesthetic quality based
on visual complexity.
(source)

Physicist Richard P. Taylor of the University of New South Wales in Sydney, Australia, who is also trained as an artist, has taken a mathematical look at Pollock's splatter paintings to try to uncover the secret of their appeal to many viewers.

"The unique thing about Jackson Pollock was that he abandoned using the brush on canvas and actually dripped the paint," Taylor says. "That produced trajectories of paint on the canvas that were like a [two-dimensional] map or fingerprint of his [three-dimensional] motions around the canvas."

Taylor photographed the Pollock painting Blue Poles, Number 11, 1952 (see http://www.kn.pacbell.com/wired/art/pollock.html), which the Australian government had purchased in 1972 for $2 million and put on display at the National Gallery of Australia in Canberra. He and his colleagues then scanned the photos and used a computer to analyze the color schemes and trajectories evident in the painting.

The researchers discovered that Pollock's patterns could be characterized as fractals--shapes that repeat themselves on different scales within the same object. In a fractal object or pattern, each smaller structure is a miniature, though not necessarily identical, version of the larger form. Fractals often occur in nature, from the meanderings of a coastline, in which the shapes of small inlets approximate the curves of an entire shoreline, to the branchings of trees and the lacy forms of snowflakes and ferns.
(source)

See also http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/phys_about/ … aylor.html
Oh, well they seem to be using a BS definition of fractal then.  The definition I would use is a repeating series that forms a larger, also repeating series, such as the fractal dragon picture, a snail shell, or this:
https://www.coolmath.com/fractals/images/fractal21.gif

because all lines are approximately alike, so all lines are fractals in their definition.

bogus tbh

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