BF2S Forums war on drugs or war on terror?

War on drugs, I have always said lets sort our self out before we try and sort other countrys.

Well, I see it this way.  WE are causing the terror in the world, so we could end it at any time.  You don't just go out and find terra and "defeat it."

We also are causing the drug problem in our country.  LEgalize some of them and Columbia/Mexico/Asia will be out of business.  If people want to destroy themselves with drugs, I'll pull the "survival of the fittest" card and watch them remove themselves from the gene pool proudly.

Last edited by IRONCHEF (2008-05-06 14:24:07)

It really depends upon what you think the goals of each were. They certainly failed the stated goals. I guess the options are either that they have been monumentally fucked up by idiot administration after idiot administration and people happily throw money at things that openly don't work, or the programs are achieving their goals, but the goals aren't the stated ones.

IRONCHEF wrote:

FEOS wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

Well, I see it this way.  WE are causing the terror in the world, so we could end it at any time.  You don't just go out and find terra and "defeat it."

We also are causing the drug problem in our country.  LEgalize some of them and Columbia/Mexico/Asia will be out of business.  If people want to destroy themselves with drugs, I'll pull the "survival of the fittest" card and watch them remove themselves from the gene pool proudly.

Oh, really? I thought it was the people strapping bombs to themselves, flying planes into buildings, blowing up cars and killing innocent civilians in the name of Allah and UBL that were causing terror in the world. Glad you cleared that up.

As for the war on drugs, you're spot on.

Oh, so UBL just decided to destroy the WTC buildings on his own?  Are you friggen mental?  You seriously think they "hate our freedom" or something?  WHY do you think those relatively few things have happened to us (cole, embassy bombings, barracks, wtc/pentagon)?  Are they just some people wishing to terrorize us, or are they answering back many wrongs done to them?

Did UBL decide to destroy the WTC buildings on his own? Sure, with the help of his followers. It's not like we said, "if you're upset, please destroy the World Trade Center".

No, I'm not "friggen (sic) mental". I just choose to blame those who take the offensive action...you, know, that whole "accountability" thing?

I don't know if they "hate our freedom" but they certainly do view our society as evil and apostate, and therefore deserving of death according to their twisted Wahabbist teachings. What "wrongs" have been done to UBL or his followers prior to 1998 to warrant attacking the US?

Last edited by FEOS (2008-05-06 16:47:14)

IRONCHEF wrote:

Ok, let's try again.

Osama bin Laden just woke up one day and thought, "Hey, for no reason other than to terrorize the USA, let's fly planes into their buildings!"  Is this what you're thinking?  Because that's what I'm accusing you of thinking.

What I'm saying is that Osama bin Laden was provoked by wrongs WE committed.  DO you not listen to his tapes and recordings?

SO now, answer honestly, did he just decide to blow up our buildings, the cole, our embassies, etc for fun, just to be a turr'ist?  If so, do you enjoy being a bush/cheney lapdog?

I get your point.

The war on drugs, heh.

The federal government, it's contractors and employees make far more off drug crime than the cartels.
Until that reality changes there will be no common sense in our laws.

IRONCHEF wrote:

I guess I didn't state which was the biggest failure.  Hard to know given the scope of the drug war.   Hasn't there been an official slogan called "Drug War" for at least 2 decades?  THere's gobs of movies about it, but i don't know any numbers like we do on the war on terra!

Maybe I'll say BOTH are equally failed.

it seems the war on terror might be SLIGHTLY more effective, seeing as how there haven't been any major terrorist attacks since the london subway bombings, but all kinds of drugs are still easily obtained most everywhere in the world.

IRONCHEF wrote:

Ok, let's try again.

Osama bin Laden just woke up one day and thought, "Hey, for no reason other than to terrorize the USA, let's fly planes into their buildings!"  Is this what you're thinking?  Because that's what I'm accusing you of thinking.

What I'm saying is that Osama bin Laden was provoked by wrongs WE committed.  DO you not listen to his tapes and recordings?

SO now, answer honestly, did he just decide to blow up our buildings, the cole, our embassies, etc for fun, just to be a turr'ist?  If so, do you enjoy being a bush/cheney lapdog?

I know exactly what you're accusing me of thinking, and I think I was pretty fucking clear about how you're incorrect.

Yes I listen to his rants on his tapes...and he blames the US for everything, regardless of the validity of his claims. Originally, the main beef UBL had with the US is US troops on Saudi soil. Interesting that his beef is/was with the US on that and not the Saudi government that requests their presence. Further, he invokes the Palestinian situation as yet another cause for their jihad (not the US, but the treatment of the Palestinians, primarily by Israel, but by the world at large). Then there's Iraq, which clearly was not the reason he launched the 9/11 attacks, as it happened two years after that.

My honest answer: I'll go with what he says. The US is evil and apostate. Not because of any particular act but because Western society is incompatible with wahabbism and his desire to establish a new caliphate. His words, not mine.

But you should know all that, since you listen to his tapes and all.

And interesting that you would accuse someone of being a "bush/cheney lapdog" because they 1) disagree with your flawed analysis and 2) have studied the AQ and islamic terrorist problem as a part of their profession.

Both are essentially pointless and have both failed.

steelie34 wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I guess I didn't state which was the biggest failure.  Hard to know given the scope of the drug war.   Hasn't there been an official slogan called "Drug War" for at least 2 decades?  THere's gobs of movies about it, but i don't know any numbers like we do on the war on terra!

Maybe I'll say BOTH are equally failed.

it seems the war on terror might be SLIGHTLY more effective, seeing as how there haven't been any major terrorist attacks since the london subway bombings, but all kinds of drugs are still easily obtained most everywhere in the world.

And when was the last terrorist attack on the US by foreigners prior to 911?  It had been quite some time.  The war on terror is a joke, just like drugs.  Neither have a chance of succeeding because neither will ever be eliminated.  But the big wigs need to appease the masses so lets throw billions of our dollars at it and see what sticks.  Where if we took that same money and put it into developing out nations who are far more less off than us maybe we wouldn't have so many "problems" with terroristen.

Last edited by ReTox (2008-05-07 09:00:07)

IRONCHEF wrote:

FEOS wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

Ok, let's try again.

Osama bin Laden just woke up one day and thought, "Hey, for no reason other than to terrorize the USA, let's fly planes into their buildings!"  Is this what you're thinking?  Because that's what I'm accusing you of thinking.

What I'm saying is that Osama bin Laden was provoked by wrongs WE committed.  DO you not listen to his tapes and recordings?

SO now, answer honestly, did he just decide to blow up our buildings, the cole, our embassies, etc for fun, just to be a turr'ist?  If so, do you enjoy being a bush/cheney lapdog?

I know exactly what you're accusing me of thinking, and I think I was pretty fucking clear about how you're incorrect.

Yes I listen to his rants on his tapes...and he blames the US for everything, regardless of the validity of his claims. Originally, the main beef UBL had with the US is US troops on Saudi soil. Interesting that his beef is/was with the US on that and not the Saudi government that requests their presence. Further, he invokes the Palestinian situation as yet another cause for their jihad (not the US, but the treatment of the Palestinians, primarily by Israel, but by the world at large). Then there's Iraq, which clearly was not the reason he launched the 9/11 attacks, as it happened two years after that.

My honest answer: I'll go with what he says. The US is evil and apostate. Not because of any particular act but because Western society is incompatible with wahabbism and his desire to establish a new caliphate. His words, not mine.

But you should know all that, since you listen to his tapes and all.

And interesting that you would accuse someone of being a "bush/cheney lapdog" because they 1) disagree with your flawed analysis and 2) have studied the AQ and islamic terrorist problem as a part of their profession.

Holy hell you are as retarded as usmarine! lol

The point is, UBL DID NOT JUST ATTACK THE USA FOR FUN OR FOR NO REASON.  Since you can't be a man  or a grown up and realize this..or understand most of what I write because you're ONLY replying to me to pick fights, you get no more dignified responses from me.

Do you even know how to fucking read?! I'll highlight the portion to note here.

Those things highlighted above are called fucking REASONS you nitwit.

So...how about YOU grow the fuck up, READ WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY FUCKING POST, take it in, and then come back with your juvenile "you're out to get me" bullshit. The only person "picking fights" here is you, by saying that I'm 1) stalking you (puleeze); 2) can't be a man or grown up; 3) retarded.

"Picking fights", ffs. Since when is debating a point picking a fucking fight? Go wash the sand out of your vagina.

ReTox wrote:

steelie34 wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I guess I didn't state which was the biggest failure.  Hard to know given the scope of the drug war.   Hasn't there been an official slogan called "Drug War" for at least 2 decades?  THere's gobs of movies about it, but i don't know any numbers like we do on the war on terra!

Maybe I'll say BOTH are equally failed.

it seems the war on terror might be SLIGHTLY more effective, seeing as how there haven't been any major terrorist attacks since the london subway bombings, but all kinds of drugs are still easily obtained most everywhere in the world.

And when was the last terrorist attack on the US by foreigners prior to 911?  It had been quite some time.  The war on terror is a joke, just like drugs.  Neither have a chance of succeeding because neither will ever be eliminated.  But the big wigs need to appease the masses so lets throw billions of our dollars at it and see what sticks.  Where if we took that same money and put it into developing out nations who are far more less off than us maybe we wouldn't have so many "problems" with terroristen.

exactly... im not usually one to use a movie as a reference, but i think the end result of "charlie wilson's war" was accurate.  instead of sticking around in afghanistan and helping them rebuild, we left them in war torn shambles.  our lack of foresight twenty years ago is causing alot of our problems today.  but then again, politicians have such a short shelf life, why should they care about anyone but themselves?

both are fails, but considering more US citizens die each year as the result of drugs smuggled illegally into your country, one would think that the war on drugs should have the higher priority.