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2008-05-08 08:21:30

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6468|Winland

Bernadictus wrote:
Nessie09 wrote:
I don't really think Macbooks are good for gaming like the OP wanted.
2.4GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB memory
200GB hard drive1
Double-layer SuperDrive
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT with 256MB

I have no problem playing CoD4, Crysis to name 2 games.

ghettoperson wrote:
A thousand euros?! And just how the hell do they pull that off? Or do Apple get technology 2 years ahead of everyone else so it's actually still ok now...?
Not gonna argue, pointless. You don't have a mac, neither have really worked with one.

Bertster7 wrote:
Because they are stupidly overpriced and idiots will pay absurd premiums for Apple products.

Also, I don't understand how something costing more money is a benefit? Surely that is a negative point, not a positive one.

Apple products are a filthy rip-off.
*sigh* So is Microsoft, delivering semi-working OS's.

Your fanboyism is starting to get out of control... Sorry to say, but you're starting to sound like that stereotypical Mac user.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2008-05-08 08:22:17)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-05-08 08:23:07

Bernadictus: Moderator; +1,055|7008

I find it entertaining. How I can provoke dozens of mac-bashers like you.

I maintain various home systems for people I know, all Windows. Advising them to switch to Mac is killing my extra income.

2008-05-08 08:23:49

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6852|SE London

Bernadictus wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
I've worked with loads of Macs. What with working for Apple and all. I have very in depth knowledge of Apples hardware, assembly procedures and OS bugs. Their machines are simply rubbish, overpriced, pieces of junk.

And what are you sighing about?
You think them costing more money is a positive point? It clearly isn't.
No, I'm *sigh*'ng because it's very tiering to talk to people like you. It's like a Christian trying to persuade a Muslim to become a Christian.

And if the machines are 'pieces of junk' then explain why I have an average of 3 Windows based machines at home for repair/reinstall, and I've never seen a friend/acquaintance with a Mac return to me because they are having problems?

Because, based on my own experience, those pieces of crap are engineered to perfection. And what about Leopard. Let's compare it to Vista? Or am I bashing MS then?

Call me an ignorant Apple fanboy all you want. But as long as you are preaching Windows based vendor machines I'm simply putting the laugh on you.

I'm no fan of MS OS's. But they at least have massive compatibility on their side. Which is really, really handy.

I come from a hardware engineering background and as such I tend to look primarily at the hardware platforms, rather than the OS. The fact is that Apple hardware platforms are really badly made, use low grade components (which have an absurd DOA rate) and are somewhat behind the times (the fact that they only just moved to using 800MHz RAM is a prime example of that).

2008-05-08 08:26:23

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6852|SE London

Bernadictus wrote:
I find it entertaining. How I can provoke dozens of mac-bashers like you.

I maintain various home systems for people I know, all Windows. Advising them to switch to Mac is killing my extra income.

Because you're not an AASP?

Which would be why you don't see any Mac repairs. Because you couldn't provide them anyway, because without GSX access, you can't get parts.

2008-05-08 08:27:41

Bernadictus: Moderator; +1,055|7008

Bertster7 wrote:
I'm no fan of MS OS's. But they at least have massive compatibility on their side. Which is really, really handy.

What compatibility? Oh by that you mean the proclaimed plug & play USB.

Bertster7 wrote:
I come from a hardware engineering background and as such I tend to look primarily at the hardware platforms, rather than the OS. The fact is that Apple hardware platforms are really badly made, use low grade components (which have an absurd DOA rate) and are somewhat behind the times (the fact that they only just moved to using 800MHz RAM is a prime example of that).

Do explain; I have worked with Apple stuff for just over 6 years. Never experienced fatal crashes of hardware. I worked with iBook's, PowerMac's, iMac's, Mac Pro's, MacBooks etc. etc. Never, ever, one single hardware failure. iPod, have it 2 years now, no crashes, no battery issues, no visible damage to the outer shell. Why? Because the hardware is inferior?

PS. Let's get back on topic. Mac/Win bashing can be done through PM, or open a separate topic.

OP: I advice a MB Pro. Period.

2008-05-08 08:27:56

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6920

I'll vouch for the DOA rate. We ordered 40 or so MacBooks for work, about 10 or so were DOA. In 20 iMac's, maybe 3 or 4 had to be returned. On the other hand, we also ordered 40 or so Dell laptops, and 15 Dell desktops, and no issues what so ever.

2008-05-08 08:29:33

Lucien: Fantasma Parastasie; +1,451|6924

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6834220306

350 bucks cheaper, better processor, 2.5x larger hard-drive, double the ram, comparable video card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6834198007

600 bucks cheaper, better processor, 50GB larger hard-drive, twice the ram, same video card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6834220279
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6834227037
and many more

2008-05-08 08:31:17

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6468|Winland

Bernadictus wrote:
I find it entertaining. How I can provoke dozens of mac-bashers like you.

I maintain various home systems for people I know, all Windows. Advising them to switch to Mac is killing my extra income.

I'm not a Mac basher, it's just their extreme price for that little apple that a guy took a bite of in the 80's, and the users that makes me dislike Mac a bit. iMacs look good, and are pretty practical and all, but for the price, you might as well get a similar-performing laptop. And the users making it a sort of fetish being just Mac users, like some kind of minority complex like furries and gays have, but more often in a sense of recruiting, just annoy me.

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2008-05-08 08:53:17

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6852|SE London

Bernadictus wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
I'm no fan of MS OS's. But they at least have massive compatibility on their side. Which is really, really handy.
What compatibility? Oh by that you mean the proclaimed plug & play USB.

I mean being able to use stuff with it (since that's what compatibility is). You have far, far more options with Windows. Far more software primarily, but peripherals also play a part....

Bernadictus wrote:
Bertster7 wrote:
I come from a hardware engineering background and as such I tend to look primarily at the hardware platforms, rather than the OS. The fact is that Apple hardware platforms are really badly made, use low grade components (which have an absurd DOA rate) and are somewhat behind the times (the fact that they only just moved to using 800MHz RAM is a prime example of that).
Do explain; I have worked with Apple stuff for just over 6 years. Never experienced fatal crashes of hardware. I worked with iBook's, PowerMac's, iMac's, Mac Pro's, MacBooks etc. etc. Never, ever, one single hardware failure. iPod, have it 2 years now, no crashes, no battery issues, no visible damage to the outer shell. Why? Because the hardware is inferior?

Well, there's no accounting for flukes.

What do you want me to explain? The fact that most Mac CPUs go long before their PC counterparts, because of Apples lax installation procedures and inadequate cooling (baring Mac Pros and PowerMac G5s). Because the logic boards have a failure rate almost twice that of boards in prebuilt PC systems? Because the slot loading "superdrives" are amongst the worst optical drives available on the market today?

I could go on. At length. But I can't really be bothered. All of these things are based on averages based on my experience (and corporate figures) of dealing with over 100 different Macs a day.

2008-05-08 09:14:32

']['error: Banned; +630|6915|The Netherlands

blah blah blah... PC > MAC, that's how it is and will always be.

Now on-topic: Could some-one look up a decent mobile GPU comparison chart? With some 3dmark scores etc?

2008-05-08 10:33:34

FFLink: There is.; +1,380|6962|Devon, England

Rohirm wrote:
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Thats what I thought. Well Looks like I'll be forking out a bit of my own money for one of em laptops with an 8800m gtx (ie that fancy Alienware one)

edit: this one here

Area-51® m15x

Display: 15.4" WideXGA+ 1440 x 900 LCD (720p) with Clearview Technology
System Lighting: Alienware® AlienFX® System Lighting - Aqua
Video/Graphics Card: 512MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8800M GTX
Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T8300 2.4GHz (3MB Cache 800MHz FSB)
Operating System (Office software not included): Genuine Windows® XP Professional
Notebook Tuners and Remotes: Without Media Center Remote Control or TV Tuner
Memory: 2GB Dual Channel DDR2 SO-DIMM at 667MHz – 2 x 1024MB
System Drive: 120GB 7,200RPM (8MB Cache) w/ Free Fall Protection

^^^This bastard will cost me $1000 plus more though...

God damn I want that laptop... I have a M5550 myself, and it kicks ass, but don't rely on Alienware support for big fixes.

And if you don't take good care of it, it will go fast.

2008-05-08 11:36:36

=Karma-Kills=: "Don't post while intoxicated."; +356|6855|England

Apple Mac Book: Pay more, get less! Yay!

2008-05-12 16:25:41

Rohirm: Fear is a Leash; +85|6442|New Austin, Not

Lucien wrote:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220306

350 bucks cheaper, better processor, 2.5x larger hard-drive, double the ram, comparable video card

Ah God DAMN IT !!!!
I went to Newegg.com and was going to buy that Laptop today. I was in the process of signing up on the site. Then I get up to the section on billing address and I get fucked over cause I'm NOT an AMERICAN! Canada always gets the short end of the stick...now i'm sad
It was a good laptop too...

2008-05-12 18:35:08

Smithereener: Member; +138|6586|California

Just an FYI, Asus notebooks are quite notorious for poor battery life. They have very good hardware at a nice price, but they usually lack battery life, so if you need to have pretty good battery life, go for something else. Dell XPS 1530 and the Macbook Pro have very good battery life for their size I believe.

The 9500 GS is essentially an 8600 GT which, although isn't super awesome, is a very good midrange card for notebooks; it should play CoD4 pretty well. It should be the minimum if you plan to game fairly often. If you're looking for more 'power,' look into a Sager/Clevo (Don't know if it's entirely within your price range though); comparable, sometimes better specs than an Alienware for cheaper and without the flashy lights. Most of the reviews I see praise their build quality too.

As for a Macbook Pro - I'm not a huge Mac fan, but the Macbook Pro is actually quite nice. I've seen some horror stories concerning their quality control, but most of those situations seem to get rectified pretty easily. It's got decent battery life (for a 15.4" - 17" notebook), LED backlit screen, very light and thin, and an above average GPU (so as long as you aren't playing something like Crysis at ultra high, you should be fine for most things). The only complaints that I hear about a lot are that it does get fairly hot (being an all aluminum case, it's like one huge heatsink apparently), and that the aluminum gets dented somewhat easily if you accidentally drop it. If Apple could create it with Carbon Fibre, it'd be imo. It is a bit more expensive, but not as much as a lot of people may think. To be honest, it's really the only Mac that I would even consider buying. Actually, another fairly nice thing about a Mac is that it holds value pretty well. Compared to most notebooks, it seems to only go down in price a bit relative to other ones.

Another notebook I'd look at is the HP 8510p (I believe it's the 8510), it's a 15.4" notebook, fairly small dimensions, about $1500 last I checked, and has the ATI/AMD 2600, which is comparable to the 8600 GT. Because it's a business line notebook, it might not really have an appealing design (I actually like it), but it's a solid notebook, and I hear a lot of good things about HP's business line and their customer service (compared to the service that comsumer lines get).

2008-05-12 18:41:27

motherdear: Member; +25|6922|Denmark/Minnesota (depends)

research a bit into zepto, i don't know what country you live in and if they are in your country, but low prices, good computers and excellent service.

http://zepto.com/country/default.aspx

2008-05-12 23:11:26

Mitch92uK: aka [DBS]Mitch92uK; +192|6506|United Kingdom

http://uk.zepto.com/Shop/Config.aspx?co … bookid=674

Dam good price, +1 mother

http://uk.zepto.com/Shop/Config.aspx?co … bookid=644

So's that!

Last edited by Mitch92uK (2008-05-12 23:17:59)

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