too_money2007
Member
+145|6732|Keller, Tx
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24521046/

MADRID, Spain - Spain is demanding a U.S. deep-sea exploration firm turn over the entire $500 million treasure it salvaged from a shipwreck, saying Thursday it has determined the vessel is definitely Spanish.

James Goold, a Washington-based lawyer who represents the Spanish government, said the 19th-century shipwreck at the heart of a dispute with Odyssey Marine Exploration is without a doubt the Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes — a Spanish frigate sunk by a British warship southwest of Portugal in 1804.

He said the Spanish government has presented evidence to back up its claim to a U.S. federal judge hearing the case in Tampa, Florida, where Odyssey is based.

Spain also argues the entire treasure should be returned as it was never really abandoned.

Odyssey announced in May 2007 it had discovered the wreck in the Atlantic and raised 500,000 silver coins and other artifacts worth an estimated $500 million. The booty was flown back to Tampa.

Spain went to the U.S. federal court claiming ownership of the treasure if it turned out to be connected to the country's national heritage.

Goold said at a news conference Thursday that Spain's evidence proved the ship and cargo were definitely Spanish property.

Odyssey had sought to kept private its information on the ship, including its identity. U.S. Magistrate Judge Mark Pizzo last month insisted, however, that the company turn over its information, and Odyssey said the ship was probably the Nuestra Senora de las Mercedes.

Odyssey officials have said they believe the court will award them the majority of the treasure, as it was found by Odyssey. A call Thursday to an Odyssey spokeswoman was not immediately returned.
I believe Spain are pricks in this instance. Not only did they not take it upon themselves to recover the ship first and now claim they deserve it all back for not doing any of the work. I'm sure they'll get back a portion and the rest will go to Odyssey for costs and rewards.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7160|Salt Lake City

I think Spain should shut the fuck up.  They say they never abandoned it.  Yeah, right.  That's why it has been at the bottom of the ocean for over 200 years, and they have yet to make any legitimate attempt to find or salvage the contents of the ship.
Masques
Black Panzer Party
+184|7146|Eastern PA
They could solve their problem by simply giving ME the gold.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7045|London, England
Their gold?

a) It was lost in a war
b) It's their fault that they didn't find it, and the Yanks did.

Finders keepers, when it comes to International waters.
mcgid1
Meh...
+129|7141|Austin, TX/San Antonio, TX
If it was in Spanish waters, they might have a leg to stand on.

However since the gold was:
- In international waters
- Lost in warfare
- Sitting on the sea floor for 200 years with no Spanish attempt to recover it,
the gold should go to the group that found it.
krazed
Admiral of the Bathtub
+619|7204|Great Brown North

mcgid1 wrote:

If it was in Spanish waters, they might have a leg to stand on.

However since the gold was:
- In international waters
- Lost in warfare
- Sitting on the sea floor for 200 years with no Spanish attempt to recover it,
the gold should go to the group that found it.
spain should stfu
HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6385|Washington DC
Nobody likes Spain, they're like the elitists of the hispanic world
argo4
Stand and Deliver
+86|6357|United States
spain should get their freakin gold and odyssey should get paid for their work.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7045|London, England

HurricaИe wrote:

Nobody likes Spain, they're like the elitists of the hispanic world
That's because, they're more or less the creators of the Hispanic world.

Hey you know how you guys have a bastardised version of English, does the same apply to people speaking Spanish in the Americas? Must be, I bet they always complain about the bastardised version of Spanish too
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6871|Chicago, IL
salvage laws anyone?

the team put out the money and effort to locate the wreck, they get the treasure.

spain can stfu
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6924|so randum
International waters, happend years ago and Spain hasnt tried to salvage it?

Money to the salvage company without a doubt.
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HurricaИe
Banned
+877|6385|Washington DC

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

HurricaИe wrote:

Nobody likes Spain, they're like the elitists of the hispanic world
That's because, they're more or less the creators of the Hispanic world.

Hey you know how you guys have a bastardised version of English, does the same apply to people speaking Spanish in the Americas? Must be, I bet they always complain about the bastardised version of Spanish too
Yeah. You get varying dialects throughout the hispanic world... for instance, in Argentina they use the 'vosotros' conjugation of verbs even when talking directly to one person (vosotros is sorta like y'all, I guess). And they say 'naphtha' instead of 'gas' (gas with a spanish accent) sometimes.

edit: Probably the biggest difference is 'auto' versus 'coche'. Both mean car, but coche is used in traditional Spanish while auto is used in other parts. I myself say auto, much better than coche.

Last edited by HurricaИe (2008-05-08 11:12:42)

Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina
I think if they just took the gold and never returned to Spain, the point would be moot.  I mean, seriously, what the fuck is Spain going to do about it?  Hell, just threaten them with terrorism, and they'll bend right over.
Volatile
Member
+252|7128|Sextupling in Empire

Whatever they end up getting should only be gotten by us randomly dropping it back into their waters. One piece every half mile.

Now go find it yourself.
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7196|PNW

Noobs shouldn't have put their banks on the water.
MAGUIRE93
High Angle Hell
+182|6618|Schofield Barracks
finders keepers
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7130
If Spain has a legitimate legal claim to it, it should be given back.  However, the people who found it should be rewarded substantially for their work.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7130

Turquoise wrote:

I think if they just took the gold and never returned to Spain, the point would be moot.  I mean, seriously, what the fuck is Spain going to do about it?  Hell, just threaten them with terrorism, and they'll bend right over.
Oh yea, that's really fair.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

I think if they just took the gold and never returned to Spain, the point would be moot.  I mean, seriously, what the fuck is Spain going to do about it?  Hell, just threaten them with terrorism, and they'll bend right over.
Oh yea, that's really fair.
I was being facetious, but you have to admit it would be funny... 
GravyDan
Back from the Grave(y)
+768|6356|CA
Spain should be fined for littering their ship in the Atlantic.
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|7069
yeah international water free drinks for everyone first come first serve
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6946|...

if anything give it back to the ancestors of the people they slaughtered to get it. Realistically, fuck Spain on this one.

Last edited by jsnipy (2008-05-09 14:31:58)

blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|7069

jsnipy wrote:

if anything give it back to the ancestors of the people they slaughtered to get it. Realistically, fuck Spain on this one.
yeah haha good point if that was the case then all of the native American's living in N. America would want their land too, which would mean white people would have to go back to Europe, and other people where they came from.

Last edited by blademaster (2008-05-09 14:34:53)

SEREVENT
MASSIVE G STAR
+605|6531|Birmingham, UK
Hmmm i remember posting in this thread.

But anyway, tough Spain, you don't even deserve 10%, you made no effort to find the gold.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7130
If they made no effort to find it, they shouldn't get a thing.

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