She just wants to get a little in the Oval Office, just to piss off Bill.
Spearhead wrote:
Either way, she's a bitch.
Proof?GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Unemployment at its lowest? Doesn't matter much if wages in real dollars have drastically declined and consumer debt is at its peak...for the first time in 60+ years, Americans have earned less each year than the previous. Recession? Have you checked the price of commodities lately?
Again, war isn't cheap. Glad your contract switched to the eruo. Way to support the dollar.GT wrote:
Nope, we didn't foster the Euro, our monetary policy though, including massive debt spending, made sure the dollar went to shit. Even soiled diapers would look like a better currency now. (Proud to have my latest contract switched to Euros now, BTW
"die Fuhrer" - Laughable at best. You totally lost me at this point. This alone convinces me that your blind hatred toward Bush will cause you to overlook all rational and reason. The Hitler=Bush lines/quips are retarded at best used by radical left wing hate mongers.GT wrote:
Bush was a full participant in Abu Ghraib. You could almost say he gleefully signed off on the policy...actually, he did actually gleefully sign off on the policy. The only thing the soldiers are guilty of is following immoral orders from die Fuhrer and taking pictures of it to show the world what the Bush administration really stands for.
Abu? And your proof is where? AH... You don't have any..
Yea, I don't see the "axis of evil" as one of the biggest diplomatic blunders in all history. Something tells me there has been worse.... As far as NK having nukes? I blame the Clintons, shit.. They funded the fucking project.GT wrote:
Strong on North Korea? That "axis of evil" thing was one of the biggest diplomatic blunders of all history. And now they have the bomb. Which part did Bush do well on there?
So, Bush is supposed to be an accountant now too?GT wrote:
War ain't cheap, I agree, but do you have any freaking clue what tiny fraction of a percent of that military budget actually goes to our soldiers in actual payroll, benefits, and training? Do you have any idea how badly butchered the VA program is now? That money went mainly to weapons programs we don't use in the War on Terror, and war spending went to multi-billion dollar giveaways to useless contractors or simply flushed down a toilet and lost.
Obama FTW, best VA benefit and anti-torture voting record in Congress.
Obama is a closet racist (soon to be outed) with no experience at anything really. Go ahead and vote for the Bigot. What a sad day!
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
McCain run in 2012? Maybe if we want an old dead man in the white house.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+a … 64-2004%29DBBrinson1 wrote:
Proof?GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Unemployment at its lowest? Doesn't matter much if wages in real dollars have drastically declined and consumer debt is at its peak...for the first time in 60+ years, Americans have earned less each year than the previous. Recession? Have you checked the price of commodities lately?
Real wages mostly fell between 1973 and 1992. They recovered and mostly grew from 1993 to 2003. In 2004, they fell, but unfortunately, the chart from above does not go beyond 2004.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/05/it.html
The above source cites a Wall Street Journal article that talks about the fall of real wages in 2007.
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/vi … age?wpid=0
The above clip shows a chart that states that real wages have gone down recently.
The question is... why should he? Our lack of fiscal conservatism shows quite clearly why the dollar is losing the trust of foreign investors.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Again, war isn't cheap. Glad your contract switched to the eruo. Way to support the dollar.GT wrote:
Nope, we didn't foster the Euro, our monetary policy though, including massive debt spending, made sure the dollar went to shit. Even soiled diapers would look like a better currency now. (Proud to have my latest contract switched to Euros now, BTW
Bush is supposed to be competent, at the very least, but we're well past that expectation.DBBrinson1 wrote:
So, Bush is supposed to be an accountant now too?GT wrote:
War ain't cheap, I agree, but do you have any freaking clue what tiny fraction of a percent of that military budget actually goes to our soldiers in actual payroll, benefits, and training? Do you have any idea how badly butchered the VA program is now? That money went mainly to weapons programs we don't use in the War on Terror, and war spending went to multi-billion dollar giveaways to useless contractors or simply flushed down a toilet and lost.
Obama FTW, best VA benefit and anti-torture voting record in Congress.
Obama is a closet racist (soon to be outed) with no experience at anything really. Go ahead and vote for the Bigot. What a sad day!
Obama is no more a racist than John McCain is for befriending G. Gordon Liddy. The "liberal media" seems to have missed this connection that John has to a felon who got busted in Watergate. Of course, Liddy even has his own show and fan club, since the delusional far right often outshines the lunacy of Wright's far left.
For more on McCain's connection to Liddy....
http://www.reason.com/news/show/126320.html
Are we looking at the same data? Things Improved under Bush. Thanks for the softball!Turquoise wrote:
http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Benefits%3A+Real+Wages+%281964-2004%29
Real wages mostly fell between 1973 and 1992. They recovered and mostly grew from 1993 to 2003. In 2004, they fell, but unfortunately, the chart from above does not go beyond 2004.
2000 275.62 0.36%
2001 275.38 -0.09%
2002 278.91 1.28%
2003 279.94 0.37%
2004 277.57 -0.84%
Yea I put a lot of faith into those Merrill Lynch experts that chimed in thereTurquoise wrote:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2007/05/it.html
The above source cites a Wall Street Journal article that talks about the fall of real wages in 2007.
http://www.clipsyndicate.com/publish/vi … age?wpid=0
The above clip shows a chart that states that real wages have gone down recently.
http://caps.fool.com/Ticker/MER.aspx
No. It's the formation of the overvalued euro and undervalued yen.Turquoise wrote:
The question is... Why should he? Our lack of fiscal conservatism shows quite clearly why the dollar is losing the trust of foreign investors.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Again, war isn't cheap. Glad your contract switched to the eruo. Way to support the dollar.
Yea. Actually, Bush was competent. It doesn't really matter how the media trys to frame it now. Look at the numbers. Look at what he's done. Foreign Aid. Brought democracy to Iraq. Is ushering in a Palestinian state *wink CAM*.Turquoise wrote:
Bush is supposed to be competent, at the very least, but we're well past that expectation.DBBrinson1 wrote:
So, Bush is supposed to be an accountant now too?
Obama is a closet racist (soon to be outed) with no experience at anything really. Go ahead and vote for the Bigot. What a sad day!
Obama is no more a racist than John McCain is for befriending G. Gordon Liddy. The "liberal media" seems to have missed this connection that John has to a felon who got busted in Watergate. Of course, Liddy even has his own show and fan club, since the delusional far right often outshines the lunacy of Wright's far left.
And there is a difference between a felon and a racist..
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
They did.... initially. The problem is that they started going down again after 2004.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Are we looking at the same data? Things Improved under Bush. Thanks for the softball!Turquoise wrote:
http://www.workinglife.org/wiki/Wages+and+Benefits%3A+Real+Wages+%281964-2004%29
Real wages mostly fell between 1973 and 1992. They recovered and mostly grew from 1993 to 2003. In 2004, they fell, but unfortunately, the chart from above does not go beyond 2004.
2000 275.62 0.36%
2001 275.38 -0.09%
2002 278.91 1.28%
2003 279.94 0.37%
2004 277.57 -0.84%
You tend to only put faith in that which furthers your pre-existing views, but it's a common problem, so no worries.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Yea I put a lot of faith into those Merrill Lynch experts that chimed in there
http://caps.fool.com/Ticker/MER.aspx
The Euro isn't overvalued. I'm assuming you meant the Yuan, not the Yen, right? The Yuan has been rising in value ever since the ending of its pegging to the dollar.DBBrinson1 wrote:
No. It's the formation of the overvalued euro and undervalued yen.
You must be one of the 30% then. The rest of us aren't too fond of Bush. You can blame the media all you want, but the numbers I look at involve our massive debts and the number of soldiers who have died for a rather frivolous war. In addition to this, Iraq's government isn't very functional.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Yea. Actually, Bush was competent. It doesn't really matter how the media trys to frame it now. Look at the numbers. Look at what he's done. Foreign Aid. Brought democracy to Iraq. Is ushering in a Palestinian state *wink CAM*.
And there is a difference between a felon and a racist..
or... at least, if you think it is, then why are we still propping it up?
We'll see about that Palestinian state. He's made a good start, but compare that to what Rabin had in mind. If Rabin hadn't been assassinated, then I guess you'd be praising Clinton, right?
The difference between a felon and a racist is far less important than the difference between a candidate that distances himself from a racist and one that befriends a felon.
Psst, its down to 17% now. The national IQ is rising, directly proportionate to gas prices...'tis unfortunate, but count the blessings when they come. ATG and now even lowing have come to the light side. Won't be long until real moderates are no longer considered the loony left.Turquoise wrote:
You must be one of the 30% then....
Look what he's done?!Yea. Actually, Bush was competent. It doesn't really matter how the media trys to frame it now. Look at the numbers. Look at what he's done. Foreign Aid. Brought democracy to Iraq. Is ushering in a Palestinian state *wink CAM*.
And there is a difference between a felon and a racist..
Ohlol...
Just...
Lawl.
This one paticularly made me laugh.
Yes, and hasn't that been a dashing success?Brought democracy to Iraq.
There are easier ways to start sectarian conflicts than by hastily ushering on a democratic model which works in a completely different culture.
Seriously, it's like the fingers-in-the-ears routine.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Way to contribute. Like the bold font too, made your message really get through!Spark wrote:
Look what he's done?!Yea. Actually, Bush was competent. It doesn't really matter how the media trys to frame it now. Look at the numbers. Look at what he's done. Foreign Aid. Brought democracy to Iraq. Is ushering in a Palestinian state *wink CAM*.
And there is a difference between a felon and a racist..
Ohlol...
Just...
Lawl.
This one paticularly made me laugh.Yes, and hasn't that been a dashing success?Brought democracy to Iraq.
There are easier ways to start sectarian conflicts than by hastily ushering on a democratic model which works in a completely different culture.
Seriously, it's like the fingers-in-the-ears routine.
Oh I thought the 17% was the approval rating of the Democratic congress....GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Psst, its down to 17% now. The national IQ is rising, directly proportionate to gas prices...'tis unfortunate, but count the blessings when they come. ATG and now even lowing have come to the light side. Won't be long until real moderates are no longer considered the loony left.Turquoise wrote:
You must be one of the 30% then....
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I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
He always types like that. And way to go ignore his comment.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Way to contribute. Like the bold font too, made your message really get through!Spark wrote:
Look what he's done?!Yea. Actually, Bush was competent. It doesn't really matter how the media trys to frame it now. Look at the numbers. Look at what he's done. Foreign Aid. Brought democracy to Iraq. Is ushering in a Palestinian state *wink CAM*.
And there is a difference between a felon and a racist..
Ohlol...
Just...
Lawl.
This one paticularly made me laugh.Yes, and hasn't that been a dashing success?Brought democracy to Iraq.
There are easier ways to start sectarian conflicts than by hastily ushering on a democratic model which works in a completely different culture.
Seriously, it's like the fingers-in-the-ears routine.Oh I thought the 17% was the approval rating of the Democratic congress....GorillaTicTacs wrote:
Psst, its down to 17% now. The national IQ is rising, directly proportionate to gas prices...'tis unfortunate, but count the blessings when they come. ATG and now even lowing have come to the light side. Won't be long until real moderates are no longer considered the loony left.Turquoise wrote:
You must be one of the 30% then....
DBBrinson1 wrote:
Yea. Actually, Bush was competent. It doesn't really matter how the media trys to frame it now. Look at the numbers. Look at what he's done. Foreign Aid. Brought democracy to Iraq. Is ushering in a Palestinian state *wink CAM*.
Which numbers are those?
From where I'm sitting, all the numbers for Bush look pretty dire. Just look at the economy. Look at the record budget deficits upon record budget deficits. It's as though Bush is trying really hard to bankrupt America.
Also:
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Which the chart can't confirm.Turquoise wrote:
They did.... initially. The problem is that they started going down again after 2004.
Two way blade man.Turquiose wrote:
You tend to only put faith in that which furthers your pre-existing views, but it's a common problem, so no worries.
Gonna still have to disagree with you there. The euro is overvalued and I think you'll see the dollar in the next year or so come back up.Turquoise wrote:
The Euro isn't overvalued. I'm assuming you meant the Yuan, not the Yen, right? The Yuan has been rising in value ever since the ending of its pegging to the dollar.
One of the 30%? I guess so, shit no one asked me. Were you polled? I'd wager this is one of those faith predispositions you commented to earlier. Any other conflict you know of where the media has done its best attempt at undermining the Administration at every corner? Good grief, Geraldo was even removed from a unit after divulging battle plans on air during a skirmish. Since when is removing a evil dictator who's murdered tens of (perhaps hundreds) of thousands of his own citizens considered a frivolous war? I don't think you understand the scope of what the US (or at least My President) is attempting to do. It ain't a sitcom where the problem will be solved in an hour.Turquiose wrote:
You must be one of the 30% then. The rest of us aren't too fond of Bush. You can blame the media all you want, but the numbers I look at involve our massive debts and the number of soldiers who have died for a rather frivolous war. In addition to this, Iraq's government isn't very functional.DBBrinson1 wrote:
And there is a difference between a felon and a racist..
or... at least, if you think it is, then why are we still propping it up?
We'll see about that Palestinian state. He's made a good start, but compare that to what Rabin had in mind. If Rabin hadn't been assassinated, then I guess you'd be praising Clinton, right?
The difference between a felon and a racist is far less important than the difference between a candidate that distances himself from a racist and one that befriends a felon.
The only reason that Obama is throwing his mentor under the bus is because he got caught. You and I both know it. Obama is just as racist as his pastor.
Finally, there is a big difference in voting for a racist and voting for a guy who befriended a felon (did you vote for Clinton -he pardoned a bunch of his buddies?).
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
That has to be the damn dorkiest thing i have ever seen.Bertster7 wrote:
DBBrinson1 wrote:
Yea. Actually, Bush was competent. It doesn't really matter how the media trys to frame it now. Look at the numbers. Look at what he's done. Foreign Aid. Brought democracy to Iraq. Is ushering in a Palestinian state *wink CAM*.
Which numbers are those?
From where I'm sitting, all the numbers for Bush look pretty dire. Just look at the economy. Look at the record budget deficits upon record budget deficits. It's as though Bush is trying really hard to bankrupt America.
Also:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=s3L-z-Ok62U
I did lol a little though
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lol. Democracy in Iraq. ROFLMAODBBrinson1 wrote:
Yea. Actually, Bush was competent. It doesn't really matter how the media trys to frame it now. Look at the numbers. Look at what he's done. Foreign Aid. Brought democracy to Iraq. Is ushering in a Palestinian state *wink CAM*.
Palestinian state? Hahahahahahahah.
Wasn't Bush the first president in the history of the US to change the position on Israeli settlements in the West Bank, which are illegal under international law, to one of 'new realities on the ground'. Palestinian state my ringpiece...
I did some more research. Real wages fell in 2004, but they recovered in 2005 and 2006 for the most part. However, something else happened last year....DBBrinson1 wrote:
Which the chart can't confirm.Turquoise wrote:
They did.... initially. The problem is that they started going down again after 2004.
It may recover some in the next few years, but the Euro looks like it's going to be the new OPEC currency. If they switch to the Euro, we're fucked.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Gonna still have to disagree with you there. The euro is overvalued and I think you'll see the dollar in the next year or so come back up.
It must be a faith predisposition supported by the vast majority of polling research then, liberal and conservative sources alike.DBBrinson1 wrote:
One of the 30%? I guess so, shit no one asked me. Were you polled? I'd wager this is one of those faith predispositions you commented to earlier.
Yes, Vietnam. The media "undermined" the government's goals by revealing the truth about our war.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Any other conflict you know of where the media has done its best attempt at undermining the Administration at every corner? Good grief, Geraldo was even removed from a unit after divulging battle plans on air during a skirmish.
I understand it quite well actually. Iraq is a great place for contractors to profit at taxpayers' expense. It's also a place that is only strategically worthy because of the oil there and its proximity to Iran (another nation we might foolishly choose to invade).DBBrinson1 wrote:
Since when is removing a evil dictator who's murdered tens of (perhaps hundreds) of thousands of his own citizens considered a frivolous war? I don't think you understand the scope of what the US (or at least My President) is attempting to do. It ain't a sitcom where the problem will be solved in an hour.
I love how this works. If Obama supports the pastor, he's siding with a racist. If he distances himself from him and denounces him, he's "throwing him under the bus." Make up your mind. Should he denounce him or not?DBBrinson1 wrote:
The only reason that Obama is throwing his mentor under the bus is because he got caught. You and I both know it. Obama is just as racist as his pastor.
Whatever the case, look at Obama's actions and stances. Does he really strike you as a racist? Hell, I bet you thought he was a Muslim when you first heard his full name.
I wasn't old enough to vote in '92 or '96. I would have voted for Perot in both cases, because he was the only one smart enough to see how bad NAFTA was from the very beginning.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Finally, there is a big difference in voting for a racist and voting for a guy who befriended a felon (did you vote for Clinton -he pardoned a bunch of his buddies?).
Ok, man glad to make you "ROFLMAO". Never said the US was finished there. And Iraq will be better of out of Saddam's murderous reign. I can't believe you of all people still don't get it.CameronPoe wrote:
lol. Democracy in Iraq. ROFLMAODBBrinson1 wrote:
Yea. Actually, Bush was competent. It doesn't really matter how the media trys to frame it now. Look at the numbers. Look at what he's done. Foreign Aid. Brought democracy to Iraq. Is ushering in a Palestinian state *wink CAM*.
Palestinian state? Hahahahahahahah.
Wasn't Bush the first president in the history of the US to change the position on Israeli settlements in the West Bank, which are illegal under international law, to one of 'new realities on the ground'. Palestinian state my ringpiece...
If you are really bored one night draw a map of your ideal mid east. Fuck man.. Start a post about it. Put the people where you envision them, kill relocate them as you see fit. I really would be interested to see what you'd draw...
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
I kind of get that feeling also, that she may be bowing out soon.
Good riddance to bad rubbish imo.
Im voting for paul or mccain..if paul still is in?
Barack is alright, if it was down to just hilldog or obama, i would probably choose him..or option none of the above and not vote at all.
Good riddance to bad rubbish imo.
Im voting for paul or mccain..if paul still is in?
Barack is alright, if it was down to just hilldog or obama, i would probably choose him..or option none of the above and not vote at all.
Cool thanks. Ok, so we can agree it is fluctuating, but no real evidence to suggest severe recession..Turquoise wrote:
I did some more research. Real wages fell in 2004, but they recovered in 2005 and 2006 for the most part. However, something else happened last year....
I know I've posted the same here before.Turquoise wrote:
It may recover some in the next few years, but the Euro looks like it's going to be the new OPEC currency. If they switch to the Euro, we're fucked.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Gonna still have to disagree with you there. The euro is overvalued and I think you'll see the dollar in the next year or so come back up.
You mean guys like John Kerry? It's kinda of a proven theory that nations go to war that have conflicting governments. There was a definite possibility of the expansion of Communism (Korea). The French were done there. People in our government knew what types of leaders excel in a communistic regime (stalinesque). And that kinda brings me to my core.Turquoise wrote:
Yes, Vietnam. The media "undermined" the government's goals by revealing the truth about our war.
Many who post here view my President as a very evil person. Why? What has he really done other than *edit* fail to */edit* ensure monies appropriated for defense was spent with over site. *sidenote: I want to know what the hell happened to the subcontracting accountability in the budget. Ok, so what has he done?
He's fought a currency formulated to defeat the dollar, the euro, while facing an eco-onslaught from blow hards such as Al Gore. The Oil industry all ready uses any reason to raise oil prices as it is. Before it was Katrina wiping out refineries in the Gulf which brings me to another point where Bush has borne the brunt of blame for false reasons.
Look who Bush has deposed. How evil was Saddam? How about his kids? They tortured their own soccer team... The people who trash my President have no idea as to the horrors he stopped and prevented to humanity. My corrupt political system at it's worst according to some produced George Bush. The other political models (at their worst) produce assholes like Pol Pot, Ammadinna jacket, Stalin, Hitler. And fuck be damned my political model wins or will win out over all of those assholes.
I could go on about his record aid to Africa (note not a specific country listed but a big ass continent -there's your welfare) and other things but...
I really would like to see the accountability there. I didn't know the President was required to micromanage to that level. That's kinda what Generals, Colonels, down the pipeline are for. Hell, I thought Clinton "streamlined" the military back in the day to make it more efficient. I bet that when the cracks in the walls at the VA's started appearing.Turquoise wrote:
I understand it quite well actually. Iraq is a great place for contractors to profit at taxpayers' expense. It's also a place that is only strategically worthy because of the oil there and its proximity to Iran (another nation we might foolishly choose to invade).
No I failed to convey my point. Obama for the last well, decades has been around this man. Not like a pastor, but as a friend. This isn't a surprise to him. If it offended him enough to dismiss him... Why now? How can this be a revelation to him? He is a spiritual adviser, that's kinda personal.Turquoise wrote:
I love how this works. If Obama supports the pastor, he's siding with a racist. If he distances himself from him and denounces him, he's "throwing him under the bus." Make up your mind. Should he denounce him or not?DBBrinson1 wrote:
The only reason that Obama is throwing his mentor under the bus is because he got caught. You and I both know it. Obama is just as racist as his pastor.
Whatever the case, look at Obama's actions and stances. Does he really strike you as a racist? Hell, I bet you thought he was a Muslim when you first heard his full name.
Yea, I've seen his antics and he strikes me as cocky and inexperienced. From his little flip off motion at Hillary to his shoulder dance, they are all calculated and rehearsed. When fishing inshore I make my lure dance the same fucking way. However Instead of shouting "Yes we can" I yell "FISH ON!"
Actually when I first heard of Obama I thought the name sounded like Osama (association mainly though name exposure due to his infamy). After research I realized he was a paper tiger for Hillary to play with until the main even. It didn't go according to plan.
Perot was just a vote bandit and he cost someone dearly.Turquoise wrote:
I wasn't old enough to vote in '92 or '96. I would have voted for Perot in both cases, because he was the only one smart enough to see how bad NAFTA was from the very beginning.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Finally, there is a big difference in voting for a racist and voting for a guy who befriended a felon (did you vote for Clinton -he pardoned a bunch of his buddies?).
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I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
I didn't say that. The evidence of an impending recession comes from a combination of things. First, there's the falling dollar. Then, there's rising oil and the possibility of OPEC switching to the Euro. Finally, there are several debt issues we currently face. We really need to cut government spending, but no one seems to want to do it.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Cool thanks. Ok, so we can agree it is fluctuating, but no real evidence to suggest severe recession.. .Turquoise wrote:
I did some more research. Real wages fell in 2004, but they recovered in 2005 and 2006 for the most part. However, something else happened last year....
Admittedly, what he's done is endemic to modern capitalism. He's focused on his own personal interests (Big Oil, military ties, and contractors) over that of the country as a whole. As you said yourself, what has happened to contractors' accountability? Well, there never was any.DBBrinson1 wrote:
You mean guys like John Kerry? It's kinda of a proven theory that nations go to war that have conflicting governments. There was a definite possibility of the expansion of Communism (Korea). The French were done there. People in our government knew what types of leaders excel in a communistic regime (stalinesque). And that kinda brings me to my core.
Many who post here view my President as a very evil person. Why? What has he really done other than *edit* fail to */edit* ensure monies appropriated for defense was spent with over site. *sidenote: I want to know what the hell happened to the subcontracting accountability in the budget. Ok, so what has he done?
As long as cost-plus contracts exist, there is a very strong incentive for companies to lie about how much operations cost. The more they claim, the more they get. It's actually a very anti-capitalistic technique. Cost-plus actually resembles socialism, and without any of the benefits of socialism.
The problem is that neither party is fiscally conservative. Cutting taxes without cutting spending is a great way to gain votes, but it's financial suicide. The people are just too stupid to grasp this.
For the most part, environmental regulation in America is a joke. Bush appointed an ex-oil executive in charge of the EPA. The only regulations that really need to be scaled back involve allowing us to construct more refineries and drill up in ANWR. Other than that, most other regulations need to be raised.DBBrinson1 wrote:
He's fought a currency formulated to defeat the dollar, the euro, while facing an eco-onslaught from blow hards such as Al Gore. The Oil industry all ready uses any reason to raise oil prices as it is. Before it was Katrina wiping out refineries in the Gulf which brings me to another point where Bush has borne the brunt of blame for false reasons.
Saddam was evil, and while there is something to be said for removing the monster WE helped to create, the problem is our timing. We chose to depose Saddam when most of the world was against it. Like it or not, that matters. When we give the finger to the UN and some of our longtime allies, we hurt ourselves. Our credibility in the world was injured after lobbying so hard on the WMD idea and finding jack shit by the end of all of it.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Look who Bush has deposed. How evil was Saddam? How about his kids? They tortured their own soccer team... The people who trash my President have no idea as to the horrors he stopped and prevented to humanity. My corrupt political system at it's worst according to some produced George Bush. The other political models (at their worst) produce assholes like Pol Pot, Ammadinna jacket, Stalin, Hitler. And fuck be damned my political model wins or will win out over all of those assholes.
So, while I can agree that Saddam being gone is a good thing, we didn't do it the right way, and we've saddled ourselves with the burden of running Iraq. We are in the unenviable position of protecting people who don't want us around while aiding a government that desperately needs us.
It's a collossal fuckup, to be frank. I advocate withdrawal, because, at this point, our gains from staying in Iraq will pale in comparison to the expenses and lost lives we'll have to endure if we continue to stick around.
Foreign aid should be voluntary. If business magnates want to give to Africa, more power to them. I don't want my tax money going there.DBBrinson1 wrote:
I could go on about his record aid to Africa (note not a specific country listed but a big ass continent -there's your welfare) and other things but....
I know what you're saying. This is far from being all Bush's fault. We have quite a few idiots in the upper echelon of our military and DOD. Thankfully, some of them (like Rumsfeld) have been outed for the dipshits they are. Unfortunately, there are a few still in prominent positions though.DBBrinson1 wrote:
I really would like to see the accountability there. I didn't know the President was required to micromanage to that level. That's kinda what Generals, Colonels, down the pipeline are for. Hell, I thought Clinton "streamlined" the military back in the day to make it more efficient. I bet that when the cracks in the walls at the VA's started appearing.
2 things: first, Wright wasn't the only reverend there. Not everyone who preaches at Obama's church is a nut. Second, while Obama showed his naivete at remaining close to Wright before this fiasco, I just don't see him as having the same views as Wright.DBBrinson1 wrote:
No I failed to convey my point. Obama for the last well, decades has been around this man. Not like a pastor, but as a friend. This isn't a surprise to him. If it offended him enough to dismiss him... Why now? How can this be a revelation to him? He is a spiritual adviser, that's kinda personal.
At least, I don't think he has the same prejudices. From his actions, Obama seems like someone who may share Wright's angst at a deeper level, but he handles it VERY differently.
For example, I agree with Wright that past actions we've made in the Middle East helped contribute to 9/11. However, I don't think we DESERVED it. Nothing Obama has said or done can logically suggest to me that he feels we deserved it either.
I have quite a few friends that are evangelicals. I became very close with one in particular. Do I believe in the Rapture? No. Do I believe in God? No. But I can still agree with some of this friend's morals and observations. I think Obama is in a similar place with Wright.
He was a spoiler, but he was still better than both Bush and Clinton.DBBrinson1 wrote:
Perot was just a vote bandit and he cost someone dearly.
She must be working towards 2012. I can't see her going out on an all-budget-spent-and-then-some final rally, frankly.
I think she should have been by fulfilling her promise she made to the state of New York when elected as Senator. It would have been different if the Democratic party tapped her, but well we know what happened. By staying a senator, not running and establishing better alliances, she would have established more credibility by allowing her to step out from her husbands shadow. We all know that she's incapable of self restraint, she still a Clinton.kylef wrote:
She must be working towards 2012. I can't see her going out on an all-budget-spent-and-then-some final rally, frankly.
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something. - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.