Last edited by Turquoise (2008-05-09 17:24:33)
sergeriver wrote:
1-What's the deal with al-Qaeda? I mean, how come they can't be taken out?
They indoctrinate their children faster than we can kill them
2-Which countries do you think are supporting this organization?
Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan.
3-How strong do you think this organization actually is?
Not very, it is only loosely organized, and relies mostly on ignorant local militias for assistance
4-Who are its real leaders? Which goals do al-Qaeda pursue?
The central leadership has little to no power, local groups are run by warlords who are seeking to expand their own power, under the guise of "Islam"
Same principle behind the internet. (except in that case it's counter-nuke, rather than counter-intel)Flaming_Maniac wrote:
The terrorists aren't stupid - they designed their network to be resistant to counter-intelligence.
http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Secret-W … 0385512457Kmarion wrote:
Maybe they are stupid, and that's why counter-Intelligence doesn't work. In any case I imagine there are few people that are actually aware of the inner workings (and success) of our intelligence agencies. We certainly have plenty of pretenders and speculation.
Wikipedia wrote:
He is the founder, chief intelligence officer, financial overseer, and CEO of the private intelligence corporation Stratfor.
Cool, I'll check it. If I spent less time here I would probably start finishing books..lol.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Secret-W … 0385512457Kmarion wrote:
Maybe they are stupid, and that's why counter-Intelligence doesn't work. In any case I imagine there are few people that are actually aware of the inner workings (and success) of our intelligence agencies. We certainly have plenty of pretenders and speculation.
Wonderful bookWikipedia wrote:
He is the founder, chief intelligence officer, financial overseer, and CEO of the private intelligence corporation Stratfor.
1. We took them out. They were hidden in Saddam's pants.sergeriver wrote:
1-What's the deal with al-Qaeda? I mean, how come they can't be taken out?
2-Which countries do you think are supporting this organization?
3-How strong do you think this organization actually is?
4-Who are its real leaders? Which goals do al-Qaeda pursue?
Psh, DAST could pass for a novel. Certainly enough drama.Kmarion wrote:
Cool, I'll check it. If I spent less time here I would probably start finishing books..lol.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/Americas-Secret-W … 0385512457Kmarion wrote:
Maybe they are stupid, and that's why counter-Intelligence doesn't work. In any case I imagine there are few people that are actually aware of the inner workings (and success) of our intelligence agencies. We certainly have plenty of pretenders and speculation.
Wonderful bookWikipedia wrote:
He is the founder, chief intelligence officer, financial overseer, and CEO of the private intelligence corporation Stratfor.
Because they are more about idealism than organization. I think the fables global terrorist network doesn't exist. Although its handy for justifying rampant imperialism. Id say al-Qaeda is more of group name for Islamic terrorism as apposed to an organized force. They can't be take out because of this.sergeriver wrote:
1-What's the deal with al-Qaeda? I mean, how come they can't be taken out?
None. Its national suicide.sergeriver wrote:
2-Which countries do you think are supporting this organization?
Extremely strong. With the amount of foreign intervention in Muslim countries at an all time high, they had the best recruiting Sargent they will ever need. The more Muslim children blown up by Israel or the USA and broadcast round the world to Muslim nations the willing Jihadists will keep coming.sergeriver wrote:
3-How strong do you think this organization actually is?
I think 9/11 was organized by an organized group. But they have for filled their roll. They ignited the fire and the west willingly threw petrol on it, just as they planned. They inspired young radical Muslims across the world with 9/11. The coalition helped radicalise moderate Muslims by invading Iraqi and supporting Israel brutal suppression of the Palestinian ppl. In short the west played into thier hands.sergeriver wrote:
4-Who are its real leaders? Which goals do al-Qaeda pursue?
Absolutely spot on.JahManRed wrote:
Because they are more about idealism than organization. I think the fables global terrorist network doesn't exist. Although its handy for justifying rampant imperialism. Id say al-Qaeda is more of group name for Islamic terrorism as apposed to an organized force. They can't be take out because of this.sergeriver wrote:
1-What's the deal with al-Qaeda? I mean, how come they can't be taken out?None. Its national suicide.sergeriver wrote:
2-Which countries do you think are supporting this organization?Extremely strong. With the amount of foreign intervention in Muslim countries at an all time high, they had the best recruiting Sargent they will ever need. The more Muslim children blown up by Israel or the USA and broadcast round the world to Muslim nations the willing Jihadists will keep coming.sergeriver wrote:
3-How strong do you think this organization actually is?I think 9/11 was organized by an organized group. But they have for filled their roll. They ignited the fire and the west willingly threw petrol on it, just as they planned. They inspired young radical Muslims across the world with 9/11. The coalition helped radicalise moderate Muslims by invading Iraqi and supporting Israel brutal suppression of the Palestinian ppl. In short the west played into thier hands.sergeriver wrote:
4-Who are its real leaders? Which goals do al-Qaeda pursue?
Essentially true. Though I'd say there is some form of disjointed cohesion, even if there is no real communication, between different Al Qaeda factions.Id say al-Qaeda is more of group name for Islamic terrorism as apposed to an organized force. They can't be take out because of this.
*put on tin foil hat*sergeriver wrote:
1-What's the deal with al-Qaeda? I mean, how come they can't be taken out?
2-Which countries do you think are supporting this organization?
3-How strong do you think this organization actually is?
4-Who are its real leaders? Which goals do al-Qaeda pursue?
1. Not a conventional enemy, no serious military hardware like tanks to move so they can move a lot more easily without detection.sergeriver wrote:
1-What's the deal with al-Qaeda? I mean, how come they can't be taken out?
2-Which countries do you think are supporting this organization?
3-How strong do you think this organization actually is?
4-Who are its real leaders? Which goals do al-Qaeda pursue?
Not a chance.. they hate each other.. AQ is mostly sunnis and Iran is mostly Shiittes (sp).pierro wrote:
...probably a few tacitly (Iran)...
1. al-Qaeda = Islamsergeriver wrote:
1-What's the deal with al-Qaeda? I mean, how come they can't be taken out?
2-Which countries do you think are supporting this organization?
3-How strong do you think this organization actually is?
4-Who are its real leaders? Which goals do al-Qaeda pursue?
1. al-Qaeda is a super powerful group trying to take over the world. They can't be taken out because the liberals won't let us.sergeriver wrote:
1-What's the deal with al-Qaeda? I mean, how come they can't be taken out?
2-Which countries do you think are supporting this organization?
3-How strong do you think this organization actually is?
4-Who are its real leaders? Which goals do al-Qaeda pursue?
There's two major factions at work in Saudi Arabia, both are ultra-conservative, but are forced to work together for that country to function -sergeriver wrote:
Many people think Saudi Arabia is supporting al-Qaeda, then why are the US and Saudi Arabia allies? I mean, how can you be an ally of your enemy? It doesn't make sense. And I do think Saudi Arabia had to do with 9/11.
CT loon ALERT!Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Strength is a relative term. The U.S. military could drag them to hell and back with one hand tied behind its back. Then again they also managed to kill over 2,000 innocent civilians and completely wreck our sense of security.
You know, considering the Wahhabi influence in Saudi Arabia, maybe we should've invaded them instead of Afghanistan and Iraq.GorillaTicTacs wrote:
There's two major factions at work in Saudi Arabia, both are ultra-conservative, but are forced to work together for that country to function -sergeriver wrote:
Many people think Saudi Arabia is supporting al-Qaeda, then why are the US and Saudi Arabia allies? I mean, how can you be an ally of your enemy? It doesn't make sense. And I do think Saudi Arabia had to do with 9/11.
The "Royal family" - with about 15,000 "princes" and other extended family members, they control most of the oil wealth and are also the face of foriegn relations. The Bin Ladens are one part of this extended family. Most have deep ties to oil baron dynasties in the West, such as the Bush family.
The Muslims "Intellectual elite" - Thousands of clerics, shariah court functionaries, and other religious leaders (mostly lawyers!), these keep the poor mullified through ultra-religious orthodoxy, and are responsible for the religious laws and keeping the populace "in line". Extremely anti-west.
These two factions rule Saudi Arabia, and each has a different (though equally conservative) agenda. You can't think of SA as a single unified entity. We are basically allies with the royals, and enemies with the religious orthodox factions. You can't have one without the other there though, the populace would never tolerate the princes for very long without the religious leaders keeping them in their place and guiding public opinion. The rich royals are basically allowed to do what they want, so long as they let the religious leaders do what they want.
Remarkably similar to the Republican party if you think about it.
This "balance of power" occaisionally is thrown out of whack, such as the agreement to let "infidels" (American military) on Saudi soil. This was OBL's stated reason for 9/11. He got his way too, we left Saudi Arabia.
what?beerface702 wrote:
CT loon ALERT!Flaming_Maniac wrote:
Strength is a relative term. The U.S. military could drag them to hell and back with one hand tied behind its back. Then again they also managed to kill over 2,000 innocent civilians and completely wreck our sense of security.
