Switching to fiat currency was definitely helped along by WW2, but it was also the slow rebuilding of other economies and their rise to close the gap on ours that pushed it.
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Ah... yeah... I guess I was looking at it from a different perspective, since we were on a gold standard before Bretton Woods. But yeah, Bretton Woods was really its most potent incarnation.
Sorry for the confusion. I should have been more specific.
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The Rosemary Chicken Dome Scandal?Turquoise wrote:
Well, if we're going for the guilt by association angle, why not look at what the scandal involving his wife and that charity she was part of?Deadmonkiefart wrote:
Obama never went out and brought it to attention. He ignored it as long as possible, then in his speech he said the minimal amount, just so that he wouldn't lose the presidency.Turquoise wrote:
Well, he's upfront when confronted with issues like Wright. He has denounced Wright quite thoroughly at this point, but he still admits that he once considered him a mentor.
As for McCain, well... a good starting place to determine his honesty would be the Keating 5 scandal.
Nobody cares about what McCaine did because it was so minor. It's a pretty minor scandal.John McCain had been only minimally involvedBenitt said that he felt the Committee pursued charges against McCain because, without him, the case would have been entirely against Democrats.
I could find any amount of dirt on just about anyone if I'm willing to condemn people because of who they happen to be friends with.
It is not simply "guilt by association". It bothers me that Obama listened to Reverend Wright and considered him his pastor. He voluntarily listened to this guy preach his intolerant racist drivel every Sunday. If McCaine had a friend who was a white supremacist, and he went to all of the speeches, I would look at McCaine the same way I look at Obama. Besides, there is a difference between being a member of a scandal by making a one time moral mistake and being a flaming, radical racist.
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But Oprah didn't like Wright,, she left.. and she still supports Barrack. It's a wash.
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Funny you should mention that... Have you heard of Rod Parsley? (click on my sig)Deadmonkiefart wrote:
The Rosemary Chicken Dome Scandal?Turquoise wrote:
Well, if we're going for the guilt by association angle, why not look at what the scandal involving his wife and that charity she was part of?Deadmonkiefart wrote:
Obama never went out and brought it to attention. He ignored it as long as possible, then in his speech he said the minimal amount, just so that he wouldn't lose the presidency.Turquoise wrote:
Well, he's upfront when confronted with issues like Wright. He has denounced Wright quite thoroughly at this point, but he still admits that he once considered him a mentor.
As for McCain, well... a good starting place to determine his honesty would be the Keating 5 scandal.
Nobody cares about what McCaine did because it was so minor. It's a pretty minor scandal.John McCain had been only minimally involved
I could find any amount of dirt on just about anyone if I'm willing to condemn people because of who they happen to be friends with.
It is not simply "guilt by association". It bothers me that Obama listened to Reverend Wright and considered him his pastor. He voluntarily listened to this guy preach his intolerant racist drivel every Sunday. If McCaine had a friend who was a white supremacist, and he went to all of the speeches, I would look at McCaine the same way I look at Obama. Besides, there is a difference between being a member of a scandal by making a one time moral mistake and being a flaming, radical racist.
I haven't decided who I'm voting for yet (big surprise, I usually decide a day before)...but this year I've been paying a bit more attention. I don't see a huge difference between the parties, just a few tweaks here and there. And that is a perfect example of what Paul's preaching.
John Mccain doesnt live in columbus ohio. Mccain also called the Pope and the Dahli Lama "spiritual guides" does this make them his personal pastor? NO! Its called connecting to your constituents! Good try on a racist pastor smearjob though better luck next time.
Very easy to just dismiss all that, eh? Typical...
Yes, he doesn't live in Ohio, but he is a close personal friend of Rod. But that's ok... I know how it works. Republicans get a free pass on racism, since it's part of the party platform.
Wright is rightly condemned for his idiocy, but Rod's ok because he supports killin' them A-rabs? right?
Yes, he doesn't live in Ohio, but he is a close personal friend of Rod. But that's ok... I know how it works. Republicans get a free pass on racism, since it's part of the party platform.
Wright is rightly condemned for his idiocy, but Rod's ok because he supports killin' them A-rabs? right?
People always pay more attention as they get older.Pug wrote:
I haven't decided who I'm voting for yet (big surprise, I usually decide a day before)...but this year I've been paying a bit more attention. I don't see a huge difference between the parties, just a few tweaks here and there. And that is a perfect example of what Paul's preaching.
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Um, no. Rod is every bit as much of a phycho as White. The difference sound insignificant, but I can't stress it enough. McCaine doesn't listen to this pastor every Sunday. Rod isn't even his pastor. I could tell that this post was yours without even looking at the name. You always love to be as inflammatory as possible:Turquoise wrote:
Very easy to just dismiss all that, eh? Typical...
Yes, he doesn't live in Ohio, but he is a close personal friend of Rod. But that's ok... I know how it works. Republicans get a free pass on racism, since it's part of the party platform.
Wright is rightly condemned for his idiocy, but Rod's ok because he supports killin' them A-rabs? right?
:DRepublicans get a free pass on racism
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Only when I'm cranky... sorry... lolDeadmonkiefart wrote:
Um, no. Rod is every bit as much of a phycho as White. The difference sound insignificant, but I can't stress it enough. McCaine doesn't listen to this pastor every Sunday. Rod isn't even his pastor. I could tell that this post was yours without even looking at the name. You always love to be as inflammatory as possible:Turquoise wrote:
Very easy to just dismiss all that, eh? Typical...
Yes, he doesn't live in Ohio, but he is a close personal friend of Rod. But that's ok... I know how it works. Republicans get a free pass on racism, since it's part of the party platform.
Wright is rightly condemned for his idiocy, but Rod's ok because he supports killin' them A-rabs? right?Republicans get a free pass on racism
But seriously, while I agree with you that McCain hasn't listened to this guy for 20 full years, wouldn't you say the clip hints at a much greater issue?
The issue being that it's not just black churches espousing hate. The media seems to harp on Wright, but there are quite a few white clergy that say equally ridiculous things mostly against minorities and Muslims, so why shouldn't McCain have to distance himself publicly from Rod? Isn't that only fair?
The issue is not whether or not McCain attends a church with Parsley as it's pastor or if Parsley has even performed some kind of prayer service for McCain. It's an issue with the kinds of people a candidate actively seeks for endorsement. Given the kinds of things Hagee and Parsley have said about the US (at least as inflammatory as Wright) and the fact that McCain (unlike Obama vis a vis Wright) has not distanced himself from them is telling to say the least.Deadmonkiefart wrote:
Um, no. Rod is every bit as much of a phycho as White. The difference sound insignificant, but I can't stress it enough. McCaine doesn't listen to this pastor every Sunday. Rod isn't even his pastor. I could tell that this post was yours without even looking at the name. You always love to be as inflammatory as possible:Turquoise wrote:
Very easy to just dismiss all that, eh? Typical...
Yes, he doesn't live in Ohio, but he is a close personal friend of Rod. But that's ok... I know how it works. Republicans get a free pass on racism, since it's part of the party platform.
Wright is rightly condemned for his idiocy, but Rod's ok because he supports killin' them A-rabs? right?Republicans get a free pass on racism
What kind of voter is McCain trying to reach with their endorsements? How will any prospective McCain administration be beholden to them?
He's already had to dismiss two relatively high ranking campaign staffers who had previously lobbied for the military government of Myanmar and has plenty more that have represented some of the most odious governments around. What other kinds of ethical and possible legal lapses are we to expect from the "maverick" senator?
There WILL never be a decision between 2 people you like here in an election here in America, you will always be choosing between which you like least. That is the why I like this Ron Paul, yeah he sounds crazy, but he makes a damn good point on a lot of what he says (or at least in this instance written).
This guy is a bit of a looney. My guess would be that McCaine heard that this pastor had a lot of supporters and so he decided to treat him with a lot of respect and claim him as his personal friend. His mistake was not researching Ron before he decided to endorse him. This does make me think less of McCaine as a politician, not that I had much respect for him before. However, it does not approach the magnitude of Obama's mistake. The reason that the media isn't getting all hyped up about it is that all Ron did was call the religion of Islam evil. It really isn't that big of a deal in this day and age when a lot of people are calling religion in general evil. He insulted a group of people, not based on their skin color, which cannot be changed, but their personal beliefs, which is something people choose. Republicans and Democrats do it to each other all the time. I'd say that the only issue this clip hints at is McCaine's careless attitude.Turquoise wrote:
Only when I'm cranky... sorry... lolDeadmonkiefart wrote:
Um, no. Rod is every bit as much of a phycho as White. The difference sound insignificant, but I can't stress it enough. McCaine doesn't listen to this pastor every Sunday. Rod isn't even his pastor. I could tell that this post was yours without even looking at the name. You always love to be as inflammatory as possible:Turquoise wrote:
Very easy to just dismiss all that, eh? Typical...
Yes, he doesn't live in Ohio, but he is a close personal friend of Rod. But that's ok... I know how it works. Republicans get a free pass on racism, since it's part of the party platform.
Wright is rightly condemned for his idiocy, but Rod's ok because he supports killin' them A-rabs? right?Republicans get a free pass on racism
But seriously, while I agree with you that McCain hasn't listened to this guy for 20 full years, wouldn't you say the clip hints at a much greater issue?
The issue being that it's not just black churches espousing hate. The media seems to harp on Wright, but there are quite a few white clergy that say equally ridiculous things mostly against minorities and Muslims, so why shouldn't McCain have to distance himself publicly from Rod? Isn't that only fair?
At least??? Sounds like your bias is debasing your sense. Why should McCaine call attention a minor and not widely known mistake? That would be a stupid mistake for your average politician, which is exactly what he is. Obama waited as long as possible to address the Reverand Wright incident. What McCaine did does not compare with what Reverand Wright did.Masques wrote:
The issue is not whether or not McCain attends a church with Parsley as it's pastor or if Parsley has even performed some kind of prayer service for McCain. It's an issue with the kinds of people a candidate actively seeks for endorsement. Given the kinds of things Hagee and Parsley have said about the US (at least as inflammatory as Wright) and the fact that McCain (unlike Obama vis a vis Wright) has not distanced himself from them is telling to say the least.Deadmonkiefart wrote:
Um, no. Rod is every bit as much of a phycho as White. The difference sound insignificant, but I can't stress it enough. McCaine doesn't listen to this pastor every Sunday. Rod isn't even his pastor. I could tell that this post was yours without even looking at the name. You always love to be as inflammatory as possible:Turquoise wrote:
Very easy to just dismiss all that, eh? Typical...
Yes, he doesn't live in Ohio, but he is a close personal friend of Rod. But that's ok... I know how it works. Republicans get a free pass on racism, since it's part of the party platform.
Wright is rightly condemned for his idiocy, but Rod's ok because he supports killin' them A-rabs? right?Republicans get a free pass on racism
What kind of voter is McCain trying to reach with their endorsements? How will any prospective McCain administration be beholden to them?
He's already had to dismiss two relatively high ranking campaign staffers who had previously lobbied for the military government of Myanmar and has plenty more that have represented some of the most odious governments around. What other kinds of ethical and possible legal lapses are we to expect from the "maverick" senator?
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