Dilbert_X
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The American government has given no reason why charges against the man it has alleged was the "20th hijacker" in the 11 September 2001 attacks on the US have been dropped.

Mohammad al-Qahtani has been held at Guantanamo Bay since 2002, following his detention in Afghanistan.
In February, he was charged with conspiracy, terrorism, and murder in violation of the laws of war, among other offences.
The US alleges he attempted to come to the United States in order to take part in the 9/11 attacks, but was stopped at the airport on his arrival.
An immigration officer suspected he intended to stay in the US illegally, and refused him entry.
The charges were dropped "without prejudice" - which means they could be brought again at a later date.

Five other men were charged alongside Mr Qahtani.
They include Khaled Sheikh Mohammed - the man accused of organising the 9/11 attacks.
Their trials before military commissions - the special military courts in Guantanamo Bay - are slated to go ahead.

As well as his military lawyer, Mr Qahtani is represented by a civilian lawyer from the Center for Constitutional Rights - a New York-based legal rights organisation.
The CCR said in a statement it believed the charges against him had been dropped because Mr Qahtani had been tortured.
"The government's claims against our client were based on unreliable evidence obtained through torture at Guantanamo," it said.
Using torture to string together a web of so-called evidence is illegal, immoral and cannot be the basis for a fair trial."
Published reports in 2006 described Mr Qahtani's interrogation.
The reports - based on leaks from the Pentagon - said he had been subjected to stress positions, sleep deprivation, extreme temperatures, humiliation and other highly coercive practices.
Some lawyers believe military officers did not want to face a discussion of these interrogation techniques in court, nor to have their case collapse publicly because the evidence obtained using such techniques might be ruled inadmissible.

However, proceedings against the five other suspects, including Khaled Sheikh Mohammed, appear to be going ahead.
It has been frequently reported, and is widely believed by civilian and military lawyers, that similar interrogation techniques were used in these cases, too.
So how are they able to go ahead, if the case against Mr Qahtani is dropped?
Lawyers suggest that in those cases there may be other evidence - obtained independently, and not tainted with the threat of inadmissibility.
One lawyer who is not directly involved with the Guantanamo detainees called the failure of the case against Mr Qahtani a "huge setback" for the US government and the entire legal process at Guantanamo Bay.
"Yet again, we don't know what is really happening in this system," he said. "Transparency is zero."

The military commissions process remains extremely controversial.
A case before the Supreme Court - Boumediene vs Bush - challenges its very legality under the constitution. The Court is expected to rule in the next two months.
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7399644.stm

The US waits six years before charging him, then drops the charges three months later - Seems pretty feeble to me.
Thoughts anyone?
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CameronPoe
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I have no idea what's going on in the background here but it's pretty suspicious if there isn't enough evidence to convict this Guantanamo detainee. It leads me to believe that probably most of the inmates were abducted and imprisoned on wafer thin grounds - just like those three English guys.
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
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*That* is the part of Guantanamo that makes you suspicious?
d4rkst4r
biggie smalls
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America is willing to invade a country on a basis of nothing but won't keep a guy in prison for the same terrorist accusations? gg Freedom Fighters.
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steelie34
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he probably got a nice gps transimitter implanted in his ass when he was unconscious at gitmo.  lets see where he goes
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Megalomaniac
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Most of the guys that were suppose to have been flying into the tower were alive anyways, meaning they had the wrong suspects
Masques
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Also, the former chief prosecutor at GITMO resigned and is now testifying for the defense, citing extreme political manipulation of the trials.

And the overall head of the "convening authority" of the trials has been ordered off the case by the military judge.
A decision by a military judge on Friday to disqualify a top Pentagon official from any further role in a Guantánamo war crimes case was a major new challenge to the Bush administration’s legal approach to the war on terrorism.
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At issue is the role of a Pentagon office called the “convening authority,” which oversees the military prosecutors and has extensive power over the defense lawyers and judges in the cases against Guantánamo detainees. One role of that office is to be a neutral arbiter, deciding such matters as allocation of resources for both the defense and prosecution and which charges brought by prosecutors should go to trial.

But military defense lawyers and other critics have said officials running that office have overstepped the bounds of impartiality by pushing prosecutors to charge more detainees and to use evidence obtained under coercive interrogations.
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Politically motivated officials at the Pentagon have pushed for convictions of high-profile detainees ahead of the 2008 elections, the former lead prosecutor for terrorism trials at Guantanamo Bay said last night, adding that the pressure played a part in his decision to resign earlier this month.

Senior defense officials discussed in a September 2006 meeting the "strategic political value" of putting some prominent detainees on trial, said Air Force Col. Morris Davis. He said that he felt pressure to pursue cases that were deemed "sexy" over those that prosecutors believed were the most solid or were ready to go.

Davis said his resignation was also prompted by newly appointed senior officials seeking to use classified evidence in what would be closed sessions of court, and by almost all elements of the military commissions process being put under the Defense Department general counsel's command, something he believes could present serious conflicts of interest.

"There was a big concern that the election of 2008 is coming up," Davis said. "People wanted to get the cases going. There was a rush to get high-interest cases into court at the expense of openness."
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Part of the new focus, Davis said, was to speed up cases that would show the public the system was working. Davis said he wanted to focus on cases that had declassified evidence, so the public could see the entire trial through news coverage. That would defuse possible allegations that the trials were stacked against defendants.
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Colonel Davis said General Hartmann became the de facto chief prosecutor, rushing through some cases to influence US and Australian elections and pushing prosecutors to file "sexy" cases to justify the existence of the widely criticised court.

In his testimony, deputy chief defence lawyer Michael Berrigan described General Hartmann as a bully who tried to overrule defence decisions and refused requests for experts and facilities to help prepare cases.

Mr Berrigan said charges against six Guantanamo prisoners facing possible execution as September 11 plotters were drafted by civilian lawyers who worked for General Hartmann, and that the general had draft copies of the charges two weeks before military prosecutors signed them.
Spearhead
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steelie34 wrote:

he probably got a nice gps transimitter implanted in his ass when he was unconscious at gitmo.  lets see where he goes
Thats a good theory

or maybe they planted a bomb inside of him.. then they'll just wait for him to go see OBL in Pakistan and detonate it.
Vax
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"There was a big concern that the election of 2008 is coming up," Davis said. "People wanted to get the cases going. There was a rush to get high-interest cases into court at the expense of openness."
...
Part of the new focus, Davis said, was to speed up cases that would show the public the system was working. Davis said he wanted to focus on cases that had declassified evidence, so the public could see the entire trial through news coverage. That would defuse possible allegations that the trials were stacked against defendants.


Pretty sad that it's the 2008 election that is the motivator to expedite these trials. The motivation should be that they may be keeping people locked up undeservedly,  for friggen  years.

Maybe I am thick but I don't see what their big political angle is with respect to the election ..like how it helps republicans (?)
Mccain has said he wants to close the place down. 
I guess I'm not seeing the angle
Dilbert_X
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Not sure, probably they want to be able to say -
'Look look! We charged someone! we're not just holding them because we can'
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PureFodder
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Why do Americans put up with this crap? In Britain people are complaining over plans to extend detention without trial to 42 days, let alone 6 years.
FEOS
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PureFodder wrote:

Why do Americans put up with this crap? In Britain people are complaining over plans to extend detention without trial to 42 days, let alone 6 years.
Takes an election to change things...wait another 8 months or so.
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PureFodder
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FEOS wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Why do Americans put up with this crap? In Britain people are complaining over plans to extend detention without trial to 42 days, let alone 6 years.
Takes an election to change things...wait another 8 months or so.
Shouldn't the opinion of the masses have some effect on the government policies in general, not just during election campaigns?
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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PureFodder wrote:

FEOS wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Why do Americans put up with this crap? In Britain people are complaining over plans to extend detention without trial to 42 days, let alone 6 years.
Takes an election to change things...wait another 8 months or so.
Shouldn't the opinion of the masses have some effect on the government policies in general, not just during election campaigns?
Yes. But the reality is that the people who make the policies are put there by elections. It takes elections to get rid of them.
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