like i said, the claim the jews use is laughable. Its mainly the christian Zionist who claim they "are gods chosen people" and "Israel is the holy land". I mean i expect a 5 year old to say that. That is not a legitimate excuse, unless you have another one?Mek-Stizzle wrote:
I don't disagree with the fact that the Arabs/Muslims have a claim, but so do the Jews.
Why do you think they are firing rockets at Israel? Anything to do with the fact that Israel are imposing conditions considered by both Israelis and South Africans as worse than the old apetheid conditions in South Africa. Neither side want the population of the other side wiped out, they just want them to fuck off somewhere else.Why do you think they cut them off? Its because rockets are being fired from Palestine into Israel, the blockades are basically a tactic employed to turn the Pals against those launching the rockets, they'll help root them out and stop them, when they do the blockades will lift. You make it sound like the Israeli's just set them up for no reason and bomb civilian areas for no reason. Newsflash there's only one side here that would love to see the others population wiped out and here's a clue, it isn't the Israeli's.
The continuous annexation of valuable land including all aquifers, destruction of homes and ariable land cannot possibly be blamed on Palestinian action and are extremely provocative.
I don't believe in that shit. I believe in historically who's been there at some point and who hasn't.rammunition wrote:
like i said, the claim the jews use is laughable. Its mainly the christian Zionist who claim they "are gods chosen people" and "Israel is the holy land". I mean i expect a 5 year old to say that. That is not a legitimate excuse, unless you have another one?Mek-Stizzle wrote:
I don't disagree with the fact that the Arabs/Muslims have a claim, but so do the Jews.
My other one would be the same reason the Arabs have a legitimate claim: Because they fought for it at some point in time and won. In the case of the Arabs, it was in the 7th century. In the case of the Jews, it was in the 20th.
i disagree with your notion, here are some pictures of Israeli jewsM.O.A.B wrote:
Right don't have a clue,rammunition wrote:
LOL, you haven't a clue, learn about how Jewish people from Europe and other places have been flogging into, what is now known as israel, from as early as the late 1800.M.O.A.B wrote:
Actually my point is that Jewish people have a more distinctive middle eastern look to them than European, which is pretty much good evidence to suggest where they originally came from.
What's a distincitve feature of a Jewish person? Not meaning any offence to any Jewish people here, but a large nose.
Whats a distinctive characteristic of an Arab person? A large nose
I find it highly strange that if these people were not originally native to the same region but they bear similar physical traits of Arabs more than they bear the physical traits of Europeans
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/aliyahj … israel.jpg
very European
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/stati … /17968.jpg
looks french
so, rammy, why do you care?
'stop home made rockets' makes it sound like a little kid with fireworks. In some Israeli cities (no, not the settlements), the entire population of say 300.000 people has to find shelter once or twice on a daily basis. Israel made a huge gesture last year with retreating all troops from Gaza,.. they got the 'home made rockets' in return. Re-entering Gaza was a reaction to that. Before Israel does anything the frequent and deliberate attacks on civilians within Israel's legal boundaries has to stop.rammunition wrote:
For peace Israel has to
1. Stop all illegal settlements
2. return all occupied land to owners
3. most important END THE OCCUPATION
the Palestinians have to stop home made rockets but when they call a ceasefire and are on one, Israel for some reason takes part in "military operation" in gaza causing more bloodshed and problems.
A lot of land was bought from the Palestinians 60 years ago. They sold it cheap, because it all was desert. The Jews worked their asses of, turned it into an oasis and now the Palestinians want it back. Both parties make mistakes in the conflict but it are still the Palestinian deliberately targetting civilians, with Israel it at least remains to be 'collateral damage'. A lot of Palestinian children, supposedly killed by Israel, are in fact killed by stray Palestinian bullets. Some ass fires his AK to celebrate his brother's wedding and the bullets drops down a few blocks away,.. They don't seem to be above purposedly targetting their own assets either; I once saw this documentary 'a day with an Israeli captain' or something. A mosk blew up and the Palestinians claimed Israel blew it with a tank. However the guilty tank could clearly be seen with it's barrel turned 180 degrees away from the mosk at the time of the explosion. Figure that one out!
The jews didn't fight for it, they were thrown on top of the Arabs when the USN was giving the jews a homeland. When Israel was declared independent they went on a savage killing spree, destroying hundreds of Arab villages and displacing many arabs. what do the displaced Arabs do???Mek-Stizzle wrote:
I don't believe in that shit. I believe in historically who's been there at some point and who hasn't.rammunition wrote:
like i said, the claim the jews use is laughable. Its mainly the christian Zionist who claim they "are gods chosen people" and "Israel is the holy land". I mean i expect a 5 year old to say that. That is not a legitimate excuse, unless you have another one?Mek-Stizzle wrote:
I don't disagree with the fact that the Arabs/Muslims have a claim, but so do the Jews.
My other one would be the same reason the Arabs have a legitimate claim: Because they fought for it at some point in time and won. In the case of the Arabs, it was in the 7th century. In the case of the Jews, it was in the 20th.
they can only go back home and that is what is known as israel
They've still got ME traits to me, the two girls have longer nose bridges, and I have no idea how that guy looks French.rammunition wrote:
i disagree with your notion, here are some pictures of Israeli jewsM.O.A.B wrote:
Right don't have a clue,rammunition wrote:
LOL, you haven't a clue, learn about how Jewish people from Europe and other places have been flogging into, what is now known as israel, from as early as the late 1800.
What's a distincitve feature of a Jewish person? Not meaning any offence to any Jewish people here, but a large nose.
Whats a distinctive characteristic of an Arab person? A large nose
I find it highly strange that if these people were not originally native to the same region but they bear similar physical traits of Arabs more than they bear the physical traits of Europeans
http://www.israelnewsagency.com/aliyahj … israel.jpg
very European
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/stati … /17968.jpg
looks french
rammunition wrote:
The jews didn't fight for it, they were thrown on top of the Arabs when the USN was giving the jews a homeland. When Israel was declared independent they went on a savage killing spree, destroying hundreds of Arab villages and displacing many arabs. what do the displaced Arabs do???Mek-Stizzle wrote:
I don't believe in that shit. I believe in historically who's been there at some point and who hasn't.rammunition wrote:
like i said, the claim the jews use is laughable. Its mainly the christian Zionist who claim they "are gods chosen people" and "Israel is the holy land". I mean i expect a 5 year old to say that. That is not a legitimate excuse, unless you have another one?
My other one would be the same reason the Arabs have a legitimate claim: Because they fought for it at some point in time and won. In the case of the Arabs, it was in the 7th century. In the case of the Jews, it was in the 20th.
they can only go back home and that is what is known as israel
Er......Fight back?what do the displaced Arabs do???
Didn't you just say the Jews didn't fight for it?they went on a savage killing spree, destroying hundreds of Arab villages
I also want to know your answer to Queen's question, is it cos you're a Muslim/Arab?The jews didn't fight for it
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they are home made rockets, they kill very rarely and i read since 2000 only 10-11 Israeli's have been killed, considering "thousands" may have been fired.Lai wrote:
'stop home made rockets' makes it sound like a little kid with fireworks. In some Israeli cities (no, not the settlements), the entire population of say 300.000 people has to find shelter once or twice on a daily basis. Israel made a huge gesture last year with retreating all troops from Gaza,.. they got the 'home made rockets' in return. Re-entering Gaza was a reaction to that. Before Israel does anything the frequent and deliberate attacks on civilians within Israel's legal boundaries has to stop.rammunition wrote:
For peace Israel has to
1. Stop all illegal settlements
2. return all occupied land to owners
3. most important END THE OCCUPATION
the Palestinians have to stop home made rockets but when they call a ceasefire and are on one, Israel for some reason takes part in "military operation" in gaza causing more bloodshed and problems.
A lot of land was bought from the Palestinians 60 years ago. They sold it cheap, because it all was desert. The Jews worked their asses of, turned it into an oasis and now the Palestinians want it back. Both parties make mistakes in the conflict but it are still the Palestinian deliberately targetting civilians, with Israel it at least remains to be 'collateral damage'. A lot of Palestinian children, supposedly killed by Israel, are in fact killed by stray Palestinian bullets. Some ass fires his AK to celebrate his brother's wedding and the bullets drops down a few blocks away,.. They don't seem to be above purposedly targetting their own assets either; I once saw this documentary 'a day with an Israeli captain' or something. A mosk blew up and the Palestinians claimed Israel blew it with a tank. However the guilty tank could clearly be seen with it's barrel turned 180 degrees away from the mosk at the time of the explosion. Figure that one out!
so who killed these kids
http://www.rememberthesechildren.org/remember2000.html
clcik above tabs to change year.
so, rammy, why do you care?
I had the courtesy to answer your question.
I had the courtesy to answer your question.
going on a massacre isn't fighting back, fight who??? women and children asleep, destroying their homes?Mek-Stizzle wrote:
rammunition wrote:
The jews didn't fight for it, they were thrown on top of the Arabs when the USN was giving the jews a homeland. When Israel was declared independent they went on a savage killing spree, destroying hundreds of Arab villages and displacing many arabs. what do the displaced Arabs do???Mek-Stizzle wrote:
I don't believe in that shit. I believe in historically who's been there at some point and who hasn't.
My other one would be the same reason the Arabs have a legitimate claim: Because they fought for it at some point in time and won. In the case of the Arabs, it was in the 7th century. In the case of the Jews, it was in the 20th.
they can only go back home and that is what is known as israelEr......Fight back?what do the displaced Arabs do???Didn't you just say the Jews didn't fight for it?they went on a savage killing spree, destroying hundreds of Arab villagesI also want to know your answer to Queen's question, is it cos you're a Muslim/Arab?The jews didn't fight for it
no im not a muslim/arab.
i am against unfair injustice around the world. I know many pro-Palestinians and many are non-Muslims, its not just them who support the palestinians
you sound like you believe the Levant has the monopoly on injustice. naive indeed.
You're absolutely right, having only 10 to 11 civilians get killed by rockets fired from across your borders is perfectly acceptabel and no measures should be taken against the country they originated from. Having entire cities move below ground once a day is perfectly normal.rammunition wrote:
they are home made rockets, they kill very rarely and i read since 2000 only 10-11 Israeli's have been killed, considering "thousands" may have been fired.
(Note that these rockets get more and more lethal and accurate each month)
i never said it has, the way israel was made IS catastrophic and is barbaric. 60 years ago the Israelis were in the process of destroying 435 Arab villages and towns. In a one-year period in 1948-1949 they wiped out over 400 Arab villages, either killing all the inhabitants or driving them off their land. They then either demolished the houses or took them over for Jewish use. This was exactly 60 years ago.God Save the Queen wrote:
you sound like you believe the Levant has the monopoly on injustice. naive indeed.
this is injustice and a massacre
I would say, on a scale of magnitude, the shit that is going on in Africa is far, far, far worse than anything that has happened in Israel. Why dont you devert your attention towards a people that are really being victimized.
Arabs simply neglect palestinians. The whole world ignores africa.
Arabs simply neglect palestinians. The whole world ignores africa.
is Israel ends the occupation they will be left alone, if they leave the arabs alone they will be left alone. Read the below linkLai wrote:
You're absolutely right, having only 10 to 11 civilians get killed by rockets fired from across your borders is perfectly acceptabel and no measures should be taken against the country they originated from. Having entire cities move below ground once a day is perfectly normal.rammunition wrote:
they are home made rockets, they kill very rarely and i read since 2000 only 10-11 Israeli's have been killed, considering "thousands" may have been fired.
(Note that these rockets get more and more lethal and accurate each month)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7273686.stm
1 Israeli dies but 100 Palestinians killed in response, is that a justifiable response???
is 1 Israeli worth 100 Palestinians???
"injustice and a massacre", an Anglo-Saxon tradition. We've even done it to other people that look like us, i.e. the Scottish.rammunition wrote:
i never said it has, the way israel was made IS catastrophic and is barbaric. 60 years ago the Israelis were in the process of destroying 435 Arab villages and towns. In a one-year period in 1948-1949 they wiped out over 400 Arab villages, either killing all the inhabitants or driving them off their land. They then either demolished the houses or took them over for Jewish use. This was exactly 60 years ago.God Save the Queen wrote:
you sound like you believe the Levant has the monopoly on injustice. naive indeed.
this is injustice and a massacre
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I have views on many African issues such as Zimbabwe, dafur, sierra Leone etc.God Save the Queen wrote:
I would say, on a scale of magnitude, the shit that is going on in Africa is far, far, far worse than anything that has happened in Israel. Why dont you devert your attention towards a people that are really being victimized.
Arabs simply neglect palestinians. The whole world ignores africa.
but you seem to be changing the subject for some reason and the Palestinians are being victimized by the Zionist beasts
I just dont understand why you seem to give more value to mistreated arabs than Africans. If the arab world gave a fuck about the palestinians, we wouldnt be having this discussion. Guess what. Arabs are rich.
yes arab are rich but the majority of arab leaders are western/U.S puppets, maybe if there were less of these puppets they could do more. mahmoud ahmajinedad isn't a puppet but has supported the palestinians and criticized Israel for their treatment.God Save the Queen wrote:
I just dont understand why you seem to give more value to mistreated arabs than Africans. If the arab world gave a fuck about the palestinians, we wouldnt be having this discussion. Guess what. Arabs are rich.
If America stops supporting Israel, Israel wouldn't get away with its crimes
The Middle East is a fucked up place, Africa is a fucked up place, most of Latin America is a fucked place, most of Asia is a fucked place. Different motivations, the same outcome...people living like shit. All courtesy of mankind, ignorance and corruption ftw.
if by support you mean giving them used, obsolete weaponry that will certainly lead to the deaths of civilians on both side, then I guess Iran has supported them. But, you seem to think Iran has done this for altruistic reasons. No, persians have historically been the enemies of arabs more so than the jews. The only reason they support palestinian arabs is to disrupt the balance of power in the middle east at the cost of indeginious movements and local, arab communities. They have no problem sending arabs to fight israelis when they arent arabs themselves.
difference is the last time Africa has seen home grown wealth was a few hundred years ago in the 1600's. Latin America has wealth. The Middle East has wealth. The reasons behind latin America being fucked up are more to do with the political traditions of the spaniards being inherited by Latin Americans.sergeriver wrote:
The Middle East is a fucked up place, Africa is a fucked up place, most of Latin America is a fucked place, most of Asia is a fucked place. Different motivations, the same outcome...people living like shit. All courtesy of mankind, ignorance and corruption ftw.
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Agreed. Although Brazil hasn't a Spanish heritage, yet they are very corrupt and most Brazilians are poor people.God Save the Queen wrote:
difference is the last time Africa has seen home grown wealth was a few hundred years ago in the 1600's. Latin America has wealth. The Middle East has wealth. The reasons behind latin America being fucked up are more to do with the political traditions of spains being inherited by Latin Americans.sergeriver wrote:
The Middle East is a fucked up place, Africa is a fucked up place, most of Latin America is a fucked place, most of Asia is a fucked place. Different motivations, the same outcome...people living like shit. All courtesy of mankind, ignorance and corruption ftw.
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