FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6338|Glendale, CA
I'm watching Dr. Phil right now, and it's about spanking.  In my opinion it's an incredibly evil act that counts as child abuse.  What I think is even worse is schools that allow corporal punishment.  It creates the sense of helplessness and fear.  Parents, schools, and so on use helplessness and fear to get the children to behave.  It goes too far sometimes - it can cause spinal problems, testicular damage, and so on.

I hate, especially, when parents use the excuse of "it made me behave when I was a kid."  It worked because it put fear in their young little mind.  Instead of the parent being seen as loving and whatnot, they're seen as wardens or something.  Most 30-something year olds, or younger/older, with kids, cannot remember the fear and whatnot when they were 9 and got spanked very often.  It many times does not work.

It's child abuse in the sense that the children cannot defend themselves.  I think perhaps spanking should be illegal, with a punishment that fits the crime...a spankin'.  Corporal punishment for crimes is illegal in the US, so, here's a question: what makes children exempt from this law?  If a prison inmate is being belligerant, they might be restrained or something, but they aren't hit with a belt.

If you look at it, it's barbaric.  Parents hit their kids with belts, paddles, and so on.  Some parents who spank don't stop there.  They scream, they slap, and so on.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7045|London, England
Some kids are fucking pricks that need to be taught a lesson.
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6767|tropical regions of london
from reading your posts, fallenmorgan, you could tell you never were.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina
Spanking is like any other form of discipline.  If done right, it works.  However, a lot of people don't know how to be reasonable about it and abuse results from this.

Still, it's pretty naive to dismiss this practice altogether.

This is more a matter of making sure parents use good judgment in the application of discipline.  If they start abusing their child (like when permanent injuries result from it), then that's when social services have to get involved.
Fallschirmjager10
Member
+36|6884
Time-out doesn't work. Spanking does.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6966|Texas - Bigger than France
I think it's up to the parents.  Spanking as the only form of punishment is wrong, of course, but as far as the sensitivity factor, how come our parents aren't all fucked up if they were spanked?

FallenMorgan wrote:

It goes too far sometimes - it can cause spinal problems, testicular damage, and so on.
Testicular damage?  You are doing it wrong.
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6338|Glendale, CA

God Save the Queen wrote:

from reading your posts, fallenmorgan, you could tell you never were.
I was once maybe at ten years old or around there.

Mek-Stizzle, there are other ways.  In my elementary school, they had to sit on a bench during recess, got sent home if they were very bad, etc.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7181|Argentina
Spanking =/= Beating the shit out of a kid.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7045|London, England

FallenMorgan wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

from reading your posts, fallenmorgan, you could tell you never were.
I was once maybe at ten years old or around there.

Mek-Stizzle, there are other ways.  In my elementary school, they had to sit on a bench during recess, got sent home if they were very bad, etc.
lol, shit like that doesn't work these days. These alternatives, the kids aren't scared of them and they don't learn shit. Infact tell a kid that he's suspended from school and they'll actually like it. Trust me. I know.

I'm only 19 yet I'm old enough to know that lack of discipline in the house and at school and the constant pussification of things is the reason you have all these yobs, chavs who do fucked up shit because they know they'll get away with it

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-05-16 16:51:08)

Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6966|Texas - Bigger than France
Too good not to share this karma with everyone, lol Turq!

Spanking lol... testicular damage comes from "recreational" spanking, I guess... Turquoise
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7181|Argentina

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

FallenMorgan wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

from reading your posts, fallenmorgan, you could tell you never were.
I was once maybe at ten years old or around there.

Mek-Stizzle, there are other ways.  In my elementary school, they had to sit on a bench during recess, got sent home if they were very bad, etc.
lol, shit like that doesn't work these days. These alternatives, the kids aren't scared of them and they don't learn shit. Infact tell a kid that he's suspended from school and they'll actually like it. Trust me. I know.
I liked it when I was a kid lol.
Fallschirmjager10
Member
+36|6884

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

FallenMorgan wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

from reading your posts, fallenmorgan, you could tell you never were.
I was once maybe at ten years old or around there.

Mek-Stizzle, there are other ways.  In my elementary school, they had to sit on a bench during recess, got sent home if they were very bad, etc.
lol, shit like that doesn't work these days. These alternatives, the kids aren't scared of them and they don't learn shit. Infact tell a kid that he's suspended from school and they'll actually like it. Trust me. I know.
Lol so true. Being suspended from school is a "good" thing now.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina

Pug wrote:

Testicular damage?  You are doing it wrong.
Yeah, I think this is probably more applicable to the spankings some men seek out from dominatrixes...  lol

EDIT:  as in what you posted above...  lol

Last edited by Turquoise (2008-05-16 16:52:26)

FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6338|Glendale, CA

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

FallenMorgan wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

from reading your posts, fallenmorgan, you could tell you never were.
I was once maybe at ten years old or around there.

Mek-Stizzle, there are other ways.  In my elementary school, they had to sit on a bench during recess, got sent home if they were very bad, etc.
lol, shit like that doesn't work these days. These alternatives, the kids aren't scared of them and they don't learn shit. Infact tell a kid that he's suspended from school and they'll actually like it. Trust me. I know.
Most child psychologists will tell you that there are other ways.

I've seen and heard of kids getting a 'spanking' in the form of more than a quick slap on the butt.  A good method is taking things away from them, etc.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6966|Texas - Bigger than France
I have a three & four year old.  I've spanked them once.  I felt terrible, they felt terrible.  But I can tell you the results were dramatic and their behavior did a 180.

With that said, once the kid turns five or older, it's useless as a punishment, period.
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6338|Glendale, CA

Pug wrote:

I have a three & four year old.  I've spanked them once.  I felt terrible, they felt terrible.  But I can tell you the results were dramatic and their behavior did a 180.

With that said, once the kid turns five or older, it's useless as a punishment, period.
Yeah, especially because most people don't remember things happening before they were 3, 4, 5, etc.  If they remember it, it will make them emotionally disturbed.

My dad got the shit beat out of him by his dad, really.  He's had a bit of an outlaw-ish path through life.  It's pretty freaky to explain, but it doesn't work.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7181|Argentina
I don't know the kids, but many women enjoy being spanked, if you know what I mean.
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6338|Glendale, CA
During the 1800s and early 1900s possibly, the idea was that women and children needed to be "disciplined" with physical punishment by a "man," as long as it didn't cause much "long-term physical harm."
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6829|North Carolina

FallenMorgan wrote:

Pug wrote:

I have a three & four year old.  I've spanked them once.  I felt terrible, they felt terrible.  But I can tell you the results were dramatic and their behavior did a 180.

With that said, once the kid turns five or older, it's useless as a punishment, period.
Yeah, especially because most people don't remember things happening before they were 3, 4, 5, etc.  If they remember it, it will make them emotionally disturbed.

My dad got the shit beat out of him by his dad, really.  He's had a bit of an outlaw-ish path through life.  It's pretty freaky to explain, but it doesn't work.
Again, your father's father didn't do it right.
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6966|Texas - Bigger than France

FallenMorgan wrote:

Yeah, especially because most people don't remember things happening before they were 3, 4, 5, etc.  If they remember it, it will make them emotionally disturbed.

My dad got the shit beat out of him by his dad, really.  He's had a bit of an outlaw-ish path through life.  It's pretty freaky to explain, but it doesn't work.
Okay, here's the reality in my opinion: ANY punishment isn't effective if it isn't fully explained.  And I'd have to tell you that if a kid grows up with ONLY punishment in this fashion, it'll leave them scarred as you say.

But in rare occasions, it'll be effective.

Give you an example:
1) Say you sit the kid in timeout all the time...
2) or Spank them all the time...
3) or Continually correct them...
4) or Take everything away for every offense...

You get the possibility of:
1) Isolationistic personality
2) Violence to solve problems
3) Obsessive complusive
4) Hoarding/perfectionist

So I think you're stopping too early in your rationale - it's got to include a full explanation as well as allowing some mistakes so they can learn, aka don't punish at the drop of a hat.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7181|Argentina

FallenMorgan wrote:

During the 1800s and early 1900s possibly, the idea was that women and children needed to be "disciplined" with physical punishment by a "man," as long as it didn't cause much "long-term physical harm."
Today women still enjoy being spanked, if you know what I mean.
MetaL*
Banned
+188|6581|Anaheim, Mexifornia

FallenMorgan wrote:

In my opinion it's an incredibly evil act that counts as child abuse.
Child abuse? lololololol I haven't laughed that much in a while.

Moar liek justice.

My dad punched me in the face before and even I knew I deserved it.
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7131|67.222.138.85
It's not barbaric, it builds character and gives a sense of some respect. I wish parents were a lot firmer with their kids.
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7130
It depends.  If the child has done something wrong, but is still being somewhat manageable, spanking is not an option.  IMO, spanking is only an option if the child really needs to be taught a lesson and some good can come from it.  For instance, if my daughter/son had done something wrong, showed no remorse, wouldn't listen to reason, or go to their room, spanking would be an option.
Protecus
Prophet of Certain Certainties
+28|6946
Personally, having undisciplined, obnoxious, and over all uncontrollable children is a higher risk.

Spank away.

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