Liberal-Sl@yer
Certified BF2S Asshole
+131|6879|The edge of sanity
It seems the lobbyist for the recording industry have struck yet again in their push to get the new H.R. 4279 legislation, or the PRO-IP Act of 2007, as it is know to pass. This legislation, in a general summary, will grant more power to the already vigilante RIAA, and MPAA. What really intrigues me is the fact that these organizations even exist.
     Back in the day when corruption ran rampant (it still does today but not to the effect that it used to) congress passed a series of acts that came to be know as America's anti-trust legislation. If one were to read the Sherman Act of 1890 as well as the Clayton Act of 1914 they would see that, by definition, the RIAA and MPAA are cartels, or organizations that give the members of the organization an unfair advantage in the market share of their respected industries that allow them to commit acts that are seen as monopolistic in nature. Under the Sherman and Clayton act, under Title 15 of United States legislation the RIAA and MPAA should not be allowed existence because of the controlling market share and unfair advantage given to them with the use of the organization.
     So I ask, why are we giving more power to an organization that should not exist under our own laws?


Link to H.R. 4279
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY
Here's why.

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AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6576|what

It depends whether the RIAA and MPAA represent the whole recording industry, or not - which is the case. Because there are artists who freely distribute works (NiN last album for example). So I agree they are an entity which currently is illegal themselves. lol
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Liberal-Sl@yer
Certified BF2S Asshole
+131|6879|The edge of sanity
Well that's a no brainer as I pointed out the lobbyist part in the beginning of my little soap box talk.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

Well that's a no brainer as I pointed out the lobbyist part in the beginning of my little soap box talk.
Yea, that's really a huge part of it.  I wonder if future generations will ever own physical copies of media content.  It seems people are perfectly happy buying digital music, and companies are pushing digital videos also, so how long until the next the idea of VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray dies?  It will be a sad day in my book.
Ender2309
has joined the GOP
+470|6994|USA

SenorToenails wrote:

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

Well that's a no brainer as I pointed out the lobbyist part in the beginning of my little soap box talk.
Yea, that's really a huge part of it.  I wonder if future generations will ever own physical copies of media content.  It seems people are perfectly happy buying digital music, and companies are pushing digital videos also, so how long until the next the idea of VHS/DVD/Blu-Ray dies?  It will be a sad day in my book.
agreed.

i'm fine with digital music because thats the only format i actually use it in but i dislike renting movies on demand because they're always shitty and pixely and whatnot and i don't like the idea of digital only videos either.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

It seems the lobbyist for the recording industry have struck yet again in their push to get the new H.R. 4279 legislation, or the PRO-IP Act of 2007, as it is know to pass. This legislation, in a general summary, will grant more power to the already vigilante RIAA, and MPAA. What really intrigues me is the fact that these organizations even exist.
     Back in the day when corruption ran rampant (it still does today but not to the effect that it used to) congress passed a series of acts that came to be know as America's anti-trust legislation. If one were to read the Sherman Act of 1890 as well as the Clayton Act of 1914 they would see that, by definition, the RIAA and MPAA are cartels, or organizations that give the members of the organization an unfair advantage in the market share of their respected industries that allow them to commit acts that are seen as monopolistic in nature. Under the Sherman and Clayton act, under Title 15 of United States legislation the RIAA and MPAA should not be allowed existence because of the controlling market share and unfair advantage given to them with the use of the organization.
     So I ask, why are we giving more power to an organization that should not exist under our own laws?


Link to H.R. 4279
This is the kind of shit that our media should focus on.  There are so many corporate corruption stories that are only reported on the internet, for the most part.

Anyway, yeah...  the RIAA and MPAA do essentially act in ways that violate antitrust laws.  The reason why we allow them, however, is because they are consortiums.  They may often act like a single entity, but they are composed of various companies, and there are enough of them that they don't violate the more obvious parts of antitrust laws.

Lobbyism is the reason why they are granted more power at the expense of individuals' rights.

Hopefully, the impending lawsuit Sony is facing for software piracy will have the effect of pointing out the inherent hypocrisies of most "anti-piracy" campaigns.
nukchebi0
Пушкин, наше всё
+387|6747|New Haven, CT
I would like to make it clear I am much more opposed to pirating games than anything else.

The RIAA needs to die, pure and simple. The artists barely make anything off of CD sales, which I find pathetic and unjust.
Liberal-Sl@yer
Certified BF2S Asshole
+131|6879|The edge of sanity

Turquoise wrote:

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

It seems the lobbyist for the recording industry have struck yet again in their push to get the new H.R. 4279 legislation, or the PRO-IP Act of 2007, as it is know to pass. This legislation, in a general summary, will grant more power to the already vigilante RIAA, and MPAA. What really intrigues me is the fact that these organizations even exist.
     Back in the day when corruption ran rampant (it still does today but not to the effect that it used to) congress passed a series of acts that came to be know as America's anti-trust legislation. If one were to read the Sherman Act of 1890 as well as the Clayton Act of 1914 they would see that, by definition, the RIAA and MPAA are cartels, or organizations that give the members of the organization an unfair advantage in the market share of their respected industries that allow them to commit acts that are seen as monopolistic in nature. Under the Sherman and Clayton act, under Title 15 of United States legislation the RIAA and MPAA should not be allowed existence because of the controlling market share and unfair advantage given to them with the use of the organization.
     So I ask, why are we giving more power to an organization that should not exist under our own laws?


Link to H.R. 4279
Anyway, yeah...  the RIAA and MPAA do essentially act in ways that violate antitrust laws.  The reason why we allow them, however, is because they are consortiums.  They may often act like a single entity, but they are composed of various companies, and there are enough of them that they don't violate the more obvious parts of antitrust laws.
However, that by definition is aa cartel. Cartels are not allowed to exist under the Sherman Act of 1890 and the Clayton Act of 1914. Therefore the RIAA and MPAA should not legally exist.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina
True...  but there are always exceptions to the rule.  For example, most power utilities are government supported local monopolies.  They are exempt from antitrust laws.  Major League Baseball is exempt, as well as a few other sports organizations.

I'm not aware of any specific exemptions that would apply to the RIAA or the MPAA, but it is possible there is one.

Still, I hope you're right, because maybe...   just maybe...  some of Congress will agree with you and bitchslap them into regulatory oblivion.

I'm not holding my breath for that though....  lol
Liberal-Sl@yer
Certified BF2S Asshole
+131|6879|The edge of sanity

Turquoise wrote:

True...  but there are always exceptions to the rule.  For example, most power utilities are government supported local monopolies.  They are exempt from antitrust laws.  Major League Baseball is exempt, as well as a few other sports organizations.

I'm not aware of any specific exemptions that would apply to the RIAA or the MPAA, but it is possible there is one.

Still, I hope you're right, because maybe...   just maybe...  some of Congress will agree with you and bitchslap them into regulatory oblivion.

I'm not holding my breath for that though....  lol
Well I have already sent arguments to senators Bayh and Luger of Indiana stating my case. Maybe if we could get something going on bf2s were we get people to send something to their senators we can have our voices heard?
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6337|Glendale, CA
The MPAA = the SS.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

FallenMorgan wrote:

The MPAA = the SS.
As much as I dislike the activities of the *PAA, comparing them to the SS is pretty off base.  Besides, I dislike the MPAA more for their arbitrary ratings system since they don't have as much of a litigation-centric business model.
Liberal-Sl@yer
Certified BF2S Asshole
+131|6879|The edge of sanity

SenorToenails wrote:

FallenMorgan wrote:

The MPAA = the SS.
As much as I dislike the activities of the *PAA, comparing them to the SS is pretty off base.  Besides, I dislike the MPAA more for their arbitrary ratings system since they don't have as much of a litigation-centric business model.
MPAA is no where in comparison with the RIAA. The MPAA would be the ones giving support to the RIAA while being non-aggressive themselves. if you were to relate it to anything the MPAA would be the policymakers and the RIAA would be the active enforcers.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Liberal-Sl@yer wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

True...  but there are always exceptions to the rule.  For example, most power utilities are government supported local monopolies.  They are exempt from antitrust laws.  Major League Baseball is exempt, as well as a few other sports organizations.

I'm not aware of any specific exemptions that would apply to the RIAA or the MPAA, but it is possible there is one.

Still, I hope you're right, because maybe...   just maybe...  some of Congress will agree with you and bitchslap them into regulatory oblivion.

I'm not holding my breath for that though....  lol
Well I have already sent arguments to senators Bayh and Luger of Indiana stating my case. Maybe if we could get something going on bf2s were we get people to send something to their senators we can have our voices heard?
Sounds good to me, and that really is the full extent of what could be done (unfortunately).

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