SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Because criminals with guns are so much fun?
Criminals will get them anyway.  I'm not saying don't try to keep them out of the hands of criminals, but why should I, as a lawful citizen, not be allowed to own an automatic weapon?
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6251
Because the reason they have them is probably that there were so many around when they were banned.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6554|North Tonawanda, NY

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Because the reason they have them is probably that there were so many around when they were banned.
Before the assault weapons ban, very few crimes used automatic weapons.  That hasn't changed.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7265|Cologne, Germany

I am not a fan of liberal gun laws, but that's ridiculous. That gun clearly malfunctioned. I can't believe the poor guy was even charged with anything in the first place.
More importantly, if the ATF didn't find the rifle to be full-auto, and didn't find any parts in the rifle that would indicate that the weapon had been illegally altered, why uphold the verdict ?

Any good lawyer will have a field day in an appeal.
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6251
That depends on the wording of the law.

SenorToenails wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Because the reason they have them is probably that there were so many around when they were banned.
Before the assault weapons ban, very few crimes used automatic weapons.  That hasn't changed.
Which brings us back to the original question:

If guns are legal so you can defend yourself, why to you need anything beyond semi-auto.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7265|Cologne, Germany

ZombieVampire! wrote:

That depends on the wording of the law.

SenorToenails wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Because the reason they have them is probably that there were so many around when they were banned.
Before the assault weapons ban, very few crimes used automatic weapons.  That hasn't changed.
Which brings us back to the original question:

If guns are legal so you can defend yourself, why to you need anything beyond semi-auto.
well, because if I were to defend myself in a CQ battle against a possible intruder, a 9mm submachine gun switched to full auto would be my preference.

There are many scenarios where full-auto may be desirable. If one believes that those weapons belong in the hands of civilians in the first place, that is.
ZombieVampire!
The Gecko
+69|6251

B.Schuss wrote:

There are many scenarios where full-auto may be desirable. If one believes that those weapons belong in the hands of civilians in the first place, that is.
Such as?
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7138|US

SenorToenails wrote:

ZombieVampire! wrote:

Because the reason they have them is probably that there were so many around when they were banned.
Before the assault weapons ban, very few crimes used automatic weapons.  That hasn't changed.
The '94 AWB did not affect automatic firearms.

Since the passage of the National Firearms Act of 1934 (when automatic firearms, short barreled rifles, "sawed off" shotguns, etc were restricted) there have been TWO crimes commited with legally owned automatic firearms in the US...one of which was when a police officer murdered his wife.

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