Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6828|North Carolina

Masques wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

DoctaStrangelove wrote:


The Crusades were faught more for plunder than for relgion. Most of the guys fighting them just wanted gold and a greater percentage of the kings leading them just wanted the gold.

You'll find that most conflicts supposedly about religion are really about money.
Most organized religion itself is about money more than faith as well.
One of my little theories as to why the Papacy proscribed marriage amongst priests relates to this.

It was only until the Medieval period when the church began to require clerics to be celibate, roughly corresponding to when the church began to grow in wealth and when many former pagans became Christians (Germanic pagans in particular).

In many Germanic societies it was customary for wealth to be split amongst all male heirs as opposed to the Roman practice of primogeniture (leaving everything or most of everything to the eldest male heir). Given that most low ranking priests would have come from the cultures in which the church was trying to grow; a priest allowed to marry would have split church property among his heirs instead of a single heir who may have been persuaded to become a member of the cloth.

Cultural habits die harder than religious ones. So in essence, clerical celibacy may have been a successful attempt to keep wealth "in house" as it were.

But that's just my theory...
There is a lot of evidence to back that up, actually.  Plenty of theologians have suggested the same, and as each new scandal arises involving priests and choir boys, it shows that such a custom only breeds contempt and sexual frustration.

Maybe someday, the Church will wake up and let these people marry, in order to spare their children.
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6869|The Land of Scott Walker

Turquoise wrote:

Maybe someday, the Church will wake up and let these people marry, in order to spare their children.
We can hope.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6870|Chicago, IL

konfusion wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Um...isn't Europe predominantly Christian? It's not like the US has cornered the market on Christianity or anything?
Wasn't the USA founded on the basis of Christianity? I mean, all the "before god", "under god" etc. stuff really makes it seem like it.

-konfusion
no

no

no

The US was certainly not founded by religious men.  The Founding fathers were almost exclusively deists.

all the Religious references were added during or after the civil war.
BVC
Member
+325|7119
We got the fucking Aussie censored version of GTA4 even though the full version is OK, and some stupid logistics bullshit was the excuse!  If we want the full version we have to order either from another country or the UK (depending on whether you have a 360 or ps3, one can't play NTSC), fucken sucks....what sucks more is that theres no PC version!!!

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deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6916|Connecticut
we are afraid of sex because of those god awful videos they show you in health class back in high school.
Malloy must go
imortal
Member
+240|7088|Austin, TX

S.Lythberg wrote:

konfusion wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Um...isn't Europe predominantly Christian? It's not like the US has cornered the market on Christianity or anything?
Wasn't the USA founded on the basis of Christianity? I mean, all the "before god", "under god" etc. stuff really makes it seem like it.

-konfusion
no

no

no

The US was certainly not founded by religious men.  The Founding fathers were almost exclusively deists.

all the Religious references were added during or after the civil war.
The colonies were founded in large part by religious groups seeking freedom from persecution and an area to practice their faith as they chose.  This included setting some rather strange "blue laws,"using the law to enforce their particular beliefs.  Even as the United States became a single nation, the traditions and local laws allowed various prudish (by modern standards) mores to prosper.  Straight through the 20th century into modern day, Victorian standards have held sway.  Also, with a very religious and tradtional base in the "Bible Belt" willing and able to voice thier outrage at 'scandalous' acts (and usually with the power base to make their outrage felt), has kept the progessive ideas of modern sexuality from making its way into the mainstream public. 

That being said, yes it is pretty silly and outdated.
argo4
Stand and Deliver
+86|6356|United States
ahhh Europe... gotta love those late night porn movies that they put on the news channel at midnight
oh wai....
FallenMorgan
Member
+53|6337|Glendale, CA

argo4 wrote:

ahhh Europe... gotta love those late night porn movies that they put on the news channel at midnight
oh wai....
WHU?!
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7070

Turquoise wrote:

Blame America's Puritanical heritage and the Religious Right.

Groups like the Catholic League, the American Family Association, and the Family Research Council are the idiotic lobbyist groups that want to promote a nanny state in media via the FCC.

In my personal opinion, I think the powers granted to the FCC are a blatant violation of the First Amendment.  But hey, religious conservatives who claim to be for smaller government are ok with the nanny state when it comes to social issues.
I agree with this. It's all culture and religion. Fucking FCC making my porno cost so much.
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7264|Cologne, Germany

FallenMorgan wrote:

argo4 wrote:

ahhh Europe... gotta love those late night porn movies that they put on the news channel at midnight
oh wai....
WHU?!
that's actually somewhat true. Here in germany, there is a lot of nudity during late night programming of certain tv stations. One station in particular, for example, airs Playboy TV features and related porn every night from around 1 am to 5 am.

as far as the OP is concerned, I have long wondered why violence seems to be so much more acceptable than nudity/sex in the US media and entertainment industry.

And if it is true that the US has the highest teen pregnancy rate of all "developped" countries, I wouldn't surprise me one bit.

I think it's likely that this rather traditional, if not archaic view on sex stems from your country's religious roots, that have cemented themselves in the "bible belt" of the south. Separation of church and state or not, religion still plays a huge part in the way your country is run, and the christian "message" if you will, has a much stronger voice than over here in europe.

Just look at the way some of the candidates in the current election have presented themselves as christians. If any politician here in europe would put religion so much on the agenda as they did, they'd be laughed at and ridiculed publicly.

The best example for that is your current president. If any european leader would make religion such a big topic, they'd not be taken seriously over here. Harshly put, I guess one could say that the US is the only western nation whose leader can say things like " I am on a mission from god to spread peace and democracy" and be taken seriously.

As modern and technologically evolved the US is, its morals with regard to sex, family, and marriage are much more traditional and conservative than one would expect. A little bigotry, probably, if you consider that the US also has the biggest adult film output of the world...

Maybe, if you all eased up a little with regard to sex, you wouldn't have to send your kids to Mardi Gras and spring Break to blow off some steam.
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6767|tropical regions of london

B.Schuss wrote:

Maybe, if you all eased up a little with regard to sex, you wouldn't have to send your kids to Mardi Gras and spring Break to blow off some steam.
because europe doesnt have week or month long festivals where young people go wild....
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7264|Cologne, Germany

God Save the Queen wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

Maybe, if you all eased up a little with regard to sex, you wouldn't have to send your kids to Mardi Gras and spring Break to blow off some steam.
because europe doesnt have week or month long festivals where young people go wild....
such as... ?

I know of no comparable "festival" in europe that has reached such iconic status for sex as Spring Break.
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6767|tropical regions of london

B.Schuss wrote:

God Save the Queen wrote:

B.Schuss wrote:

Maybe, if you all eased up a little with regard to sex, you wouldn't have to send your kids to Mardi Gras and spring Break to blow off some steam.
because europe doesnt have week or month long festivals where young people go wild....
such as... ?

I know of no comparable "festival" in europe that has reached such iconic status for sex as Spring Break.
ever heard of ibiza. spain?  just the top of my head.


I also heard they call Budapest, "Booty Fest" for some reason, maybe someone here could shed some light on that.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-05-19 01:19:48)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6529|eXtreme to the maX
I don't get it either, sex = bad, mowing people down with machine guns = good.
What's wrong with these people?
And America still has 'dry' counties? Thats just funny.
Fuck Israel

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